1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t get the hate for saying the Eagles are a boring offense. 95% of Eagles fans on game day say the same thing.

I don’t either tbh. But, to me winning is never boring. If Ds like Drew Brees and Bill Simmons want to be entertained they can go watch the F’ing Savannah Bananas.

I like the boring W’s myself. To each his own.

I agree with Saturday. Drew Brees was a weak armed passer who thrived on quick accuracy. I could appreciate that execution but it was far from exciting.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

I agree with Saturday. Drew Brees was a weak armed passer who thrived on quick accuracy. I could appreciate that execution but it was far from exciting.

Thank you

So many people think throwing deep balls mean they have a strong arm. The only QB who had a weaker arm I can think of was maybe Matt Ryan. Peyton had a noodle when he threw 55 tds in Denver; and never had close to the arm Eli did even in Indy before the injury

1 hour ago, Joe Ball said:

I wasn't trying to diminish the skill required to play OLine, however if you are prepared to play against Lane I would think you are more than prepared to play against Fred. The point I was really trying to make is that not knowing who you are preparing for (Lane or Fred) isn't 3D chess, and doesn't likely present prolonged preparation challenges regardless of who plays, this is a weekly occurence (injuries). I am certain there is a scouting report for each player on the roster, starters and back-ups alike, that indentifies the individuals excellence, as well as the individuals weaknesses. Scheming for players is covered in the scouting report, I would expect there are certain sets, plays, and formations the Eagles run more of if Lane is playing vs Fred playing, to take advantage of strengths. Does that change how you prepare? Absolutely. To a point it can be referred to as 3D chess, not likely, it's just part of the weekly preparation. They aren't going to have two completely separate schemes, one if Lane plays and the other if Fred plays.

That seems to make sense but it begs off your central point, if point there is. Preparing for a line with Lane is different than preparing for a line with Fred. They will run different plays, have different protections. I have posted endlessly in here about our blocking scheme and what Stoutland asks of his players. When an offensive play is called everybody knows their job, except the OL. They have to adjust to what the defense shows. Slides in pass protection depend on the D alignment. A IZ is completely different if the D lines up in an over or under or 5-2 vs 4-2. Watch the OL before the snap and all the communication that goes on. Do the "skill” guys adjust that way? No. I use "skill” sardonically. There’s way more 3D chess in the OL than anywhere else on the offense. They’re bigger and stronger and slower than the "skill” guys but they’re the engine that drives the machine. It boggles my mind that you don’t see it, or at least diminish it. Every offensive game plan begins with what the coaches think the OL will enable them to do. Every defensive game plan begins with how we stop the OL from doing what they want. It’s fine to say”Load the box,” against Saqoun. How you do it is every bit as much 3D chess as what coverages you call in the secondary. You just don’t see what you’re looking at.

16 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I don’t either tbh. But, to me winning is never boring. If Ds like Drew Brees and Bill Simmons want to be entertained they can go watch the F’ing Savannah Bananas.

I like the boring W’s myself. To each his own.

The wins are what it’s all about. I don’t find it boring at all to completely demoralize an opposing defense by running right at them over and over. Chris Jones two weeks ago…lost his mind. That’s not boring.

The Lions on Monday pretty much just run through the Ravens, they do have a few gadget plays they like to use at the goal line but they just lined up and ran at the Ravens all night. That 18 play 98 yard drive just took everything out of the Ravens, you could see it on the D lines faces, they too were demoralized.

Lots of ways to win football games, it doesn’t have to be flashy. Rush for 150, throw for 200, sustain drives, and play good/great defense…

25 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I don’t either tbh. But, to me winning is never boring. If Ds like Drew Brees and Bill Simmons want to be entertained they can go watch the F’ing Savannah Bananas.

I like the boring W’s myself. To each his own.

Winning is not boring. And our offense is not boring. Its frustrating at times. Not boring at all.

38 minutes ago, mattwill said:

8 Home Runs by the Phillies so far … 2 by Schwarber

Warming up just in time to get cold for the playoffs. Like clockwork!

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Warming up just in time to get cold for the playoffs. Like clockwork!

Yeah, you knew that would happen when they got hot 2 weeks ago.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t get the hate for saying the Eagles are a boring offense. 95% of Eagles fans on game day say the same thing.

I don't think anyone is saying "boring," though. A lot of other words, but it's almost always entertaining.

I think the Eagles offense is objectively not boring. The tush push, which is the play driving the entire conversation, is a spectacle and not boring. Everyone has a strong opinion on it.

The route concepts may not be sophisticated, they may not run a bunch of trick plays, but I really don't see many flashier or more entertaining offenses around the league, and I sure as hell don't see many more talented offenses.

Saquon is pretty electric with the ball in his hands. Hurts has an entertaining playing style. AJ Brown is fun to watch. The Eagles produce as many big plays as almost any other team. Our offensive line is entertaining.

It's just objectively not true that the Eagles offense is boring. It's a red herring aimed at the tush push.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Warming up just in time to get cold for the playoffs. Like clockwork!

That is possible, and Marlins pitching is not Playoffs pitching , but my personal belief is that this is a more diverse and balanced team than the teams of the last two years, especially since the addition of Bader.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is possible, and Marlins pitching is not Playoffs pitching , but my personal belief is that this is a more diverse and balanced team than the teams of the last two years, especially since the addition of Bader.

I don't watch as carefully as some here, but it seems this year was more bursts of hot than not.

Also, more guys hitting and at different times than the heavy hitters. Like against the Dodgers in their last series.

Feels different to me this year.

51 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Thank you

So many people think throwing deep balls mean they have a strong arm. The only QB who had a weaker arm I can think of was maybe Matt Ryan. Peyton had a noodle when he threw 55 tds in Denver; and never had close to the arm Eli did even in Indy before the injury

Yup. This isn't to say arm strength doesn't matter. The stereotypical deep ball is not one of the throws that actually requires the most arm strength. Most deep balls come from the pocket with a strong base with a reasonable amount of touch and timing...there are probably 64 QBs in the NFL with enough arm for that.

Arm strength helps with the off balance throws and quick release lasers that need to get to the target while DBs are closing in...15-25 yards usually.

And yes, yes...those are the throws we usually don't see from Hurts. The deep ball is beautiful.

31 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I don't think anyone is saying "boring," though. A lot of other words, but it's almost always entertaining.

I think the Eagles offense is objectively not boring. The tush push, which is the play driving the entire conversation, is a spectacle and not boring. Everyone has a strong opinion on it.

The route concepts may not be sophisticated, they may not run a bunch of trick plays, but I really don't see many flashier or more entertaining offenses around the league, and I sure as hell don't see many more talented offenses.

Saquon is pretty electric with the ball in his hands. Hurts has an entertaining playing style. AJ Brown is fun to watch. The Eagles produce as many big plays as almost any other team. Our offensive line is entertaining.

It's just objectively not true that the Eagles offense is boring. It's a red herring aimed at the tush push.

I don’t know if there are alternative motives behind the statement that have to do with the tush push. But I’d say objectively it is boring. It’s not overly complicated concepts or plays. What you are describing is mostly subjectively.

Again, the offense is absolutely talented and good. It’s just not anything innovative, new or creative. It’s a handful of basic concepts they perfected. Even when they brought in Moore who was supposed to be a guru with pre-snap motion we didn’t see it translate that much into the actual offense.

Yea, these situations of a RB and a DH are completely comparable.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

I agree with Saturday. Drew Brees was a weak armed passer who thrived on quick accuracy. I could appreciate that execution but it was far from exciting.

Brees was also a notorious stat padder. I will be fair as I think Brees was a competitor and wanted to win. He also deserves credit for the SB he did win. However stats were clearly important to him where as Jalen couldn't care less about his stats as long as the team is winning. It's probably not a stretch to think that he values QB's who throw for a ton of yards since he did. That being said, saying that Prescott and Love are better than Hurts is laughable. Dak has never won a thing and hasn't been consistently healthy in years. Love is just an overrated turd. He looks the part but he constantly misses wide open receivers and to call him inconsistent would be an understatement.

1 hour ago, jamiller said:

I don't watch as carefully as some here, but it seems this year was more bursts of hot than not.

Also, more guys hitting and at different times than the heavy hitters. Like against the Dodgers in their last series.

Feels different to me this year.

You and I are on the same page. Let’s hope we are right.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Dean is a terrific downfield player. He lived in the backfield. He might not be better than Campbell, but man he's a VERY good LB.

I dunno. I just didn’t care for him much. Probably in the minority but he’s expendable, made of glass and Campbell shouldn’t lose any PT to Dean when he returns

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, these situations of a RB and a DH are completely comparable.

Yup. As comparable as Trump and Harris.

5 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Money was a big factor. He got paid more than they wanted to give him the first time, and the second time he was due a big signing bonus and supposedly wanted to re-work his deal. If his options are limited he might have to settle for a really cheap deal which is a big difference from the other two situations. The fact is, the defense and team is better with him on it.

Nah. Money was the reason given so they wouldn't have to give the real reason. He's a **** and no team wants him around long term.

Hard pass.

4 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

I dunno. I just didn’t care for him much. Probably in the minority but he’s expendable, made of glass and Campbell shouldn’t lose any PT to Dean when he returns

What is it you don’t like about him?

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

What is it you don’t like about him?

I thought just based on what I saw most of last season, he was consistently missing tackles in the open field, liability in pass coverage. He was best suited blitzing the qb. He got better as the season progressed but just never really thought he was as good as certain people believe.

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Unstoppable in the red zone!

But that's boring.

20 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

I thought just based on what I saw most of last season, he was consistently missing tackles in the open field, liability in pass coverage. He was best suited blitzing the qb. He got better as the season progressed but just never really thought he was as good as certain people believe.

Thanks for that direct response. Here are some thoughts that your points prompt.

Regarding missed tackles, do any of the Advanced Stats sites track those? I ealily have no thoughts on that one way or another, but completely agree that missed tackles are a significant liability.

Regarding pass coverage liability, my recollection of his role in Fangio’s 4-2-5 base scheme is that the two ILBs had relatively different roles given (1) the 5 DBs behind, (2) the light box in front. With Baun and Dean on the field, Baum shaded more toward pass coverage outside the box while Dean shaded more toward plugging any gap in the box between the 4 DL/OLB that a RB was trying to squirt through.

As one of the 5 players in the box, blitzing, both pass rush blitzing and run blitzing are definitely desired and desirable attributes.

One other thought. I purposely limit my assessments of all the Defensive players to the post-Bye games. I suspect Dean was less effective pre-DeJean than he was post-DeJean … as were all the players on the D.

Thoughts?