8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Made me laugh

Need a petty NFL ref throwing a flag in the background to top it off.

28 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If you think here is bad for sky is falling doomerism, Eagles Reddit is wild, there are people on there who want Sirianni fired, one of them even argued that "a smart organization would have fired him a couple of years ago" it's absurd.

I think Detroit are flattering to deceive again, their only victory that isn't against a team that they'd be clearly expected to beat is the Ravens and the Ravens really don't look good this year. Last year they got their clock cleaned by a Washington team that could barely lay a glove on us when QB1 was healthy, I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar faceplant this year when the big games start.

True…this early in the season, everyone is still declaring who they really are. Early on, everyone was sizing up GB for their rings. Baltimore was the perennial pre-season SB favorite. And here we are now.

That’s why I still refuse to count out KC.

10 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

So many people want to try to explain these types of games with 1 reason.

Some blame Patullo, or Hurts, or Sirriani, or the OL, etc etc

The actual explanation, and more boring one, it that this team is a construct of all of those things.

Hurts is very good, but has limitations. Same with Nick S. The OL is having struggles and hopefully they can get healthier and improve.

Patullo has not been great….I would say bad at times.

AJ is a bit tricky to figure out. I don’t get the sense that he’s injured, I just don’t know if he’s as dynamic as he’s always been. But, we’re certainly not doing him any favors with the play design.

On top of all these things, they’ve played a very difficult schedule.

Some of these things will improve, some of them are just who this team is and has been for several years. There are going to be ugly, frustrating wins.

I think the Line play is a big issue, they thought they were just plugging in Steen to a settled line, but instead everyone on it has taken a step back and the interior line as a whole is struggling, then you have play design which has Barkley running smack into that soft interior line in telegraphed run plays and you've lost the basis of your best offense, and of course this is the one year that the coaching staff refuse to move away from the run game even when it's not working, even temporarily to open it up by throwing a couple of bombs like they did last year and '22, instead we rinse and repeat up the gut for one or two yards the whole game.

Be interesting to see if they can go through the gears against the Broncos and Giants, with a better mix of offense.

I haven’t seen AJ Brown open all year. Even last week when he went for 100+, every reception was him throwing off a CB in tight coverage.

4 games and I truly have not seen him separate from a CB once. I think he’s lost his movement.

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Need a petty NFL ref throwing a flag in the background to top it off.

AJ Brown last 8 games: 37 rec 314 yds 3td 8.5 ypc

This is post decline Alshon Jeffery territory.

I’m telling you…he’s not the same.

7 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

According to the NHS, this is a good thing and it shouldn't stop at the kissing.

Goodness, our poor friends in the UK. This is pure propaganda to make them accept the mass migration happening. I can't believe that's a real article.

16 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think the Line play is a big issue, they thought they were just plugging in Steen to a settled line, but instead everyone on it has taken a step back and the interior line as a whole is struggling, then you have play design which has Barkley running smack into that soft interior line in telegraphed run plays and you've lost the basis of your best offense, and of course this is the one year that the coaching staff refuse to move away from the run game even when it's not working, even temporarily to open it up by throwing a couple of bombs like they did last year and '22, instead we rinse and repeat up the gut for one or two yards the whole game.

Be interesting to see if they can go through the gears against the Broncos and Giants, with a better mix of offense.

This is where I defend Patullo and where people don’t realize how easy Kellen Moore had it last year. The entire premise of their offense last year was that teams knew it was coming and still couldn’t stop it. And then we’d surprise someone and actually throw the ball. They telegraphed run plays between the tackles and it just worked spectacularly.

Now, it doesn’t even work against soft fronts that are playing the pass on 3rd and long. The interior OL has been abysmal at opening holes AND Barkley is going down on first contact.

I’m not trying to hitch myself to the Patullo train here…but Kellen Moore wasn’t doing anything special. They ran. Everyone knew they were going to run. And it worked anyway. Now the running game sucks. The pass attack is designed to be low volume, efficient, opportunistic, simple route concepts, and short of the sticks. These have been longstanding tenets of this offense for years. This isn’t a Patullo thing.

It suddenly stopped working because the OL suddenly stopped blocking.

19 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think the Line play is a big issue, they thought they were just plugging in Steen to a settled line, but instead everyone on it has taken a step back and the interior line as a whole is struggling, then you have play design which has Barkley running smack into that soft interior line in telegraphed run plays and you've lost the basis of your best offense, and of course this is the one year that the coaching staff refuse to move away from the run game even when it's not working, even temporarily to open it up by throwing a couple of bombs like they did last year and '22, instead we rinse and repeat up the gut for one or two yards the whole game.

Be interesting to see if they can go through the gears against the Broncos and Giants, with a better mix of offense.

On the first snap of the 2nd half, I knew we were in some trouble.

They ran the same predictable run up the middle on 1st down and the DL was 3 yards in the backfield.

That set the whole tone for a frustrating 2nd half and showed me that as good as KP was in the 1st half, he reverted right back to what hasn't worked.

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

On the first snap of the 2nd half, I knew we were in some trouble.

They ran the same predictable run up the middle on 1st down and the DL was 3 yards in the backfield.

That set the whole tone for a frustrating 2nd half and showed me that as good as KP was in the 1st half, he reverted right back to what hasn't worked.

I think the answer is more screens. Bizarrely, the one thing they have set up and executed well this year that (over the last few years) they have sucked at are screen plays.

It’s the best way to take advantage of a DL that is over-pursuing. Like you said, we’ve got multiple plays with DL deep in the backfield.

Shipley is back and is a really good screen back. Barkley is fine at it, he just likes to drop them sometimes.

We should be running a lot more of these as the offense finds its footing and everyone is out of sorts.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Goodness, our poor friends in the UK. This is pure propaganda to make them accept the mass migration happening. I can't believe that's a real article.

Worked for the Hapsburgs… in the 16th century.

I think this team will claw it's way into the week 9 bye with a very good record and then we'll see how they emerge. They'll either put it together for the stretch or fall apart. We can't really know how that will go down until then

Guess the stat lines?

14 catches 151 yards 1TD

17 catches 158 yards 1 TTD

13 catches 170 yards 1 TD

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the answer is more screens. Bizarrely, the one thing they have set up and executed well this year that (over the last few years) they have sucked at are screen plays.

It’s the best way to take advantage of a DL that is over-pursuing. Like you said, we’ve got multiple plays with DL deep in the backfield.

Shipley is back and is a really good screen back. Barkley is fine at it, he just likes to drop them sometimes.

We should be running a lot more of these as the offense finds its footing and everyone is out of sorts.

Outside runs also....

I don't think I've seen a TE crack back block or a pulling guard all season?

Those have been staples in the Stoutland run scheme.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Guess the stat lines?

14 catches 151 yards 1TD

17 catches 158 yards 1 TTD

13 catches 170 yards 1 TD

Puka in 1 game vs Smith and Brown total all season. Yeah it sucks.

8 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

According to the NHS, this is a good thing and it shouldn't stop at the kissing.

27 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Goodness, our poor friends in the UK. This is pure propaganda to make them accept the mass migration happening. I can't believe that's a real article.

To remove the Politics from it and the blog, I'll add some context in the UK thread in CVON. But yeah, 🤮

8 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Outside runs also....

I don't think I've seen a TE crack back block or a pulling guard all season?

Those have been staples in the Stoutland run scheme.

Isn't Stout still the run game coordinator? I definitely would like to see Jurgy on the move, but perhaps he's dinged -or- there isn't confidence that our guards can move horizontally without being pushed into the backfield.

More read option, called QB runs and accurate downfield passing is the solution imo... basically the 1st half of yesterday's game before Jalen/the OC got concussed.

I feel like I only see AJ run one route to get the ball thrown to him. He runs a come back and Hurts struggles to get him the ball quickly. Every time AJ is having to step forward and fight the DB from jumping the ball.

Either get the ball out faster and anticipate the throw, or stop throwing that. a pick 6 is close.

Having seen some of the Boys and Packers, it definitely felt the Eagles weren't as bad as I initially thought they were (still not good BTW). One thing missing in all of the reviews is how much the Bucs D turned the wick up in the 2nd half; credit where its due, they were a bit soft in the first and got at it. Not excusing the Eagles performance tho, but fair to give credit where it is due. Also worth pointing out how their D in Tampa has given this time fits in general over the last few visits. Yesterday was a little improvement, but hardly a big leap forward.

The OL needs to accept there are too many injured parts in it, causing issues, Love Dickerson as a player, but the dude needs to stop gutting through it; it'll hurt his long term longevity. As ambivalent as I am towards Pryor, he was starting games last year, so not a Toth level scrub.

Fangio will have been at Campbell and Mukuba on the flight home. Rookies makes rookie mistakes.

As for the Boys and Packers. I thought Matt LaFleur was some of O genuis?

Just look at the 2nd half drives for the Eagles. Just gross.

1st		POSS	PLAYS	YDS	RESULT
11:22	PHI 27	4:14	8	73	TD
2nd		POSS	PLAYS	YDS	RESULT
14:56	PHI 30	15:00	3	7	Punt
9:44	PHI 33	3:34	6	67	TD
5:00	PHI 25	4:02	12	54	FG
3rd		POSS	PLAYS	YDS	RESULT
14:56	PHI 32	2:24	3	-9	Punt
10:56	PHI 34	0:52	3	7	Punt
9:44	PHI 40	1:33	3	-7	Punt
7:19	TB 25	3:28	6	25	TD
4th		POSS	PLAYS	YDS	RESULT
2:06	PHI 35	2:14	5	-5	Punt
12:11	PHI 23	0:23	3	0	Punt
7:48	PHI 20	1:41	3	8	Punt
0:57	PHI 35	0:57	4	-35	Game

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

I feel like I only see AJ run one route to get the ball thrown to him. He runs a come back and Hurts struggles to get him the ball quickly. Every time AJ is having to step forward and fight the DB from jumping the ball.

Either get the ball out faster and anticipate the throw, or stop throwing that. a pick 6 is close.

Two, I think- that and just go down the sideline and make a play. No crossing patterns, nothing down the seems with Goedert clearing out the middle. As Patullo has said, teams are covering the concepts. What he hasn't said it's because the concepts don't change. If I were Smith and Brown, any WR on the team really I'd be pissed/frustrated as well. It's obvious when they get the ball good things happen, but this offense, so far, does nothing to help them.

As an example, I've probably seen Blankenship get isolated on a WR a bunch if times this season. Why can't we get Smith or Brown isolated on a safety? Because we don't try to do it. With our offensive line play taking a serious dip so far this season, it would be wise to scheme things up for our WRs other than quick WR screens thrown behind the LOS with no blocking in front of it.

This is the big difference between now and 2023. The Eagles might lose some of these games if they don't get their act together but they won't implode with this defense under Fangio. That said if Q can't play for some reason it could get ugly

The D yesterday had issues, but was stuff like tackling wasn't a big issue. 2023, its easier to list what worked than what didn't.

59 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I haven’t seen AJ Brown open all year. Even last week when he went for 100+, every reception was him throwing off a CB in tight coverage.

4 games and I truly have not seen him separate from a CB once. I think he’s lost his movement.

It's possible he is physically declining. He doesn't create separation on those quick comeback routes as often. I tend to think that more of the problem is the play design. Every analyst likes to point out how simple the Eagles' passing offense is. I think too much of the offense is predictable. There is nothing that throws defenses off about the route concepts. It often looks like none of the receivers are open. I think that's because they so frequently run the same routes out of the same formation.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's possible he is physically declining. He doesn't create separation on those quick comeback routes as often. I tend to think that more of the problem is the play design. Every analyst likes to point out how simple the Eagles' passing offense is. I think too much of the offense is predictable. There is nothing that throws defenses off about the route concepts. It often looks like none of the receivers are open. I think that's because they so frequently run the same routes out of the same formation.

He could be declining 5% but the OC should still be able to scheme him open, it makes no sense