He breaks down all the Ringo reps

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I agree with Jimmy, I think comparing this team to the 2023 Eagles isn't the right comparison. I actually think it's the 2024 Chiefs. I'm sure Chiefs fans were having these debates last season. "We're barely winning games, this isn't sustainable guys." Countered by "Dude, all they do is win and that's all that matters." And it was enough for them... until the Super Bowl where they finally went up against a team that could expose their flaws and they got romped.

I don't think this Eagles team is going to have some epic collapse this season. But I do think they're primed to get their asses kicked if they go up against the wrong opponent and don't show up for an entire half of football.

The 2023 defense was never going to be good and the offense turned the ball over constantly. The turnover rate was 15% - that's one of every six drives. We don't do that anymore. It was 7% last season and 2.5% so far this season.

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

I feel like I only see AJ run one route to get the ball thrown to him. He runs a come back and Hurts struggles to get him the ball quickly. Every time AJ is having to step forward and fight the DB from jumping the ball.

Either get the ball out faster and anticipate the throw, or stop throwing that. a pick 6 is close.

Or how about a double move when the CBs are clearly sitting on those routes?? They need to make them pay.

Same with the run game. Instead of running it into a stacked box every 1st down, run some damn play action and hit a big one down the field.

Way too conservative in their play calling. I feel like Patullo sometimes gets stuck on the beginner plays in Madden.

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

He breaks down all the Ringo reps

Trade him to a team that uses more press. Maybe pair him up with a pick for a d-lineman or an upgrade at CB that fits Vic's scheme.

Browns frustrations are starting to show on field

31 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You do realize that Hurts checks into and out of plays, calls the protections, and decides where the ball goes.

Also, the guys on the other side are trying to win the game as well.

Of course, there's plenty of blame to go around.

II happen to think our guys are much better and should be dominating. That's just me though.

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But we won so who cares. Or at least that's what everyone says

29 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I agree with Jimmy, I think comparing this team to the 2023 Eagles isn't the right comparison. I actually think it's the 2024 Chiefs. I'm sure Chiefs fans were having these debates last season. "We're barely winning games, this isn't sustainable guys." Countered by "Dude, all they do is win and that's all that matters." And it was enough for them... until the Super Bowl where they finally went up against a team that could expose their flaws and they got romped.

I don't think this Eagles team is going to have some epic collapse this season. But I do think they're primed to get their asses kicked if they go up against the wrong opponent and don't show up for an entire half of football.

Sure, essentially all but one team has their flaws exposed at some point when the SB is over. fwiw so far they've beaten KC, Rams and Bucs with the flaws.

No, it's not like the 2023 team. That team had the worst defense in the league and bad coaching. This team has stars on defense and great coaching, with some younger players stepping into new roles with some growing pains, but they're surrounded by returning star players. The defense is carrying the offense when they struggle. And special teams. The team is resilient.

The offense in 2023 had a lot of turnovers as well, and that's not the case this year. They're actually trying too hard to not have turnovers by being too conservative, at times playing not to lose. I don't know how much of that is Patullo growing pains as a first time play caller.

There are great plays there. The 2nd half of the Rams, the early creative plays vs the Bucs. They play conservative and scared with a lead instead of keep the foot on the gas pedal.

There are also some key injuries especially O line. That's why Barkley isn't getting as much going. That will open up eventually.

35 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I agree with Jimmy, I think comparing this team to the 2023 Eagles isn't the right comparison. I actually think it's the 2024 Chiefs. I'm sure Chiefs fans were having these debates last season. "We're barely winning games, this isn't sustainable guys." Countered by "Dude, all they do is win and that's all that matters." And it was enough for them... until the Super Bowl where they finally went up against a team that could expose their flaws and they got romped.

I don't think this Eagles team is going to have some epic collapse this season. But I do think they're primed to get their asses kicked if they go up against the wrong opponent and don't show up for an entire half of football.

It does have some connections to the Chiefs. The big tell will be in the part of the schedule that is easier than the start has been. If the problems persists, issues at the end of the season. Its not like last season at this time was much better, other than the record now. The players went to Siri in the bye asking to run more.

And that was under Kellen Moore. The O needs to change now that its clear what the D trend is. Stop the run and work out the back end later.

35 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I agree with Jimmy, I think comparing this team to the 2023 Eagles isn't the right comparison. I actually think it's the 2024 Chiefs. I'm sure Chiefs fans were having these debates last season. "We're barely winning games, this isn't sustainable guys." Countered by "Dude, all they do is win and that's all that matters." And it was enough for them... until the Super Bowl where they finally went up against a team that could expose their flaws and they got romped.

I don't think this Eagles team is going to have some epic collapse this season. But I do think they're primed to get their asses kicked if they go up against the wrong opponent and don't show up for an entire half of football.

I guess I’m guilty of it too, but not everything needs to be an apples to apples comparison to a previous season. People see the struggles of the offense and immediately think 2023 all over again. But I dare anyone to try to compare Vic’s defense to Desai/Patricia, this year’s linebackers to 2023, or this year’s secondary to that one.

This will be its own team. Maybe the offense struggles for a lot of the season, but if the defense stays healthy they’re only going to continue to gel and improve like they did last year. Especially with Nakobe on the mend.

Some underlying positives:

• We are still perfect in the red zone. We are third in red zone defense.

• We are plus 4 in turnover margin. Top five.

• We have only 1 giveaway. Tied for first.

It feels like some people expect to be awarded a cookie if the Eagles lose and they can say 'I told you so'. I think most people here see the flaws but we're just not crying after a win.

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36 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I still don't understand the RG standing up and giving away the snap count. I can understand the argument in a very loud situation were a silent count is needed, but that stadium was not loud yesterday. Hell, it was 30% Eagles fans. All the defense has to do is watch the RG. Once he gets in his stance, pin your ears back.

33 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

He breaks down all the Ringo reps

One thing to add is that Mayfield extends plays so the CB had to cover a bit longer too. If this DL could start finishing, the CB will look that much better, even Quinyon who has a handful of jersey more often than not.

So who is going to be "The Eagles Biggest Threat" this week? It changes every week, lol.

Some penalty stats.

32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Browns frustrations are starting to show on field

Yep, didn't realize it when watching the game, but here are his 9 targets. He looks totally dejected and almost checked out at parts of the game.

I think the bigger question with the Eagles passing game is less "Do they understand what needs to be fixed?" and more "Are they willing to?" These coaches didn't get to where they are without having above a high school understanding of football. They know how to design plays to get guys open. For whatever reason, they are just unwilling to. Whether they don't think the talent is suited for it. Whether they don't think it fits how they're being defended. Whether they don't think the QB can handle those types of plays. Whatever the reason is, if everyone and their mother is shouting from the mountain tops every week what they need to do, including their own players like AJ Brown... and they come out every week doing the same stuff, then it's either negligence or stubbornness. More likely that than stupidity.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I still don't understand the RG standing up and giving away the snap count. I can understand the argument in a very loud situation were a silent count is needed, but that stadium was not loud yesterday. Hell, it was 30% Eagles fans. All the defense has to do is watch the RG. Once he gets in his stance, pin your ears back.

On SNF, they said the Packers make the Center look through his legs to know when to snap rather than the Guard tapping the Center. I've always thought it made it obvious when the snap was coming, but most teams in the NFL do it. So 🤷‍♂️

14 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Some underlying positives:

• We are still perfect in the red zone. We are third in red zone defense.

• We are plus 4 in turnover margin. Top five.

• We have only 1 giveaway. Tied for first.

-The 3 RZ TDs were all very creative and run to perfection. Loved all of them.

-The Baun/Campbell duo is as good as it gets. Baun was all over the field and if it wasn't for one of the worst grass fields I've seen, he would have had quite a few more TFL.

-Cooper DeJean played his best game as an Eagle.

-Kelee Ringo was not a liability and showed more than enough that he's worth playing through growing pains.

-Latu just seems to have something about him. The blocked punt and his impact blocking on offense. I want him on the field as much as if not more than Calcaterra.

-The Eagles are 4-0 and currently playing some of the worst offense in the league and the defense has yet to hit their stride.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think the Line play is a big issue, they thought they were just plugging in Steen to a settled line, but instead everyone on it has taken a step back and the interior line as a whole is struggling

I think you are overthinking your thought about their thinking. An alternative option is that change is at the core of the NFL , and that with the constraints of the Salary Cap there isn’t any choice other than to "plug in.” For example, they plugged in Q, DeJean, and Baun last year.

If the Eagles play like this for the next 4 games, whether they are 8-0 or 4-4, we will have an idea of who they are and who they just cannot be. This level of play is not good enough and will not take them far in the playoffs.

But through only 4 damn games, we still have absolutely no reason to be so negative and declare that this is who they are either. So many current liabilities could very well transform into strengths.

I do think they have to be willing to make some tough decisions to get some guys healthy rather than gutting it out indefinitely and ultimately spoiling them for the entire season. Whether or not they are willing to do that could be THE critical decision that impacts what kind of team they are in the playoffs.