Dickerson hasn’t been himself, but I wouldn’t go by PFF grades. FFS last week they gave Pryor a great grade. Sometimes their grades are confounding.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You can only re-sign 2 of the 3 to 2nd contracts here. What are you doing?

Jalen Carter, Cooper DeJean, Quinyon Mitchell.

98 and 27

98 and 33

33 and 27

33 and 27

30 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Consistency last year didn’t start happening until at least mid October. And even then there were some frustrating games like Carolina.

Seems like everyone remembers the NFCCG and SB as "last season”.

The entire first month last year was not pretty. These things do take a few games.

Now, if Patullo is still rolling out the Pee Wee offense in October, then it’s time to start being concerned.

In the NFL, every season is a new blank slate, there is so much turnover that it's not like baseball or hockey where you usually have a core that sets how good your team will probably be.

Right now they are starting Ringo, Campbell, Hunt, Mukuba, Ojomo, Smith (until Smith returns) and Davis went from rotation to full-time starter. That's turning over half your starters and much of your bench.

While there's more continuity on offense, 2 starters are hurting (Dickinson, Lane), Steen is new, and the bench is new (Dillon, Bigsby, Metchie, Latu, Granson, Pryor, Kendall).

It takes time both to get everyone on the same page, new veterans to learn the system, and 1st and 2nd year players to raise their game.

After the bye week, the young players have 8 games under their belt and can play bigger roles, and the coaches can self-scout and make adjustments for the second half.

Get to the bye 6-2 or better and the Eagles are in the driver's seat.

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You can only re-sign 2 of the 3 to 2nd contracts here. What are you doing?

Jalen Carter, Cooper DeJean, Quinyon Mitchell.

98 and 27

98 and 33

33 and 27

I'm not playing that game, because that's what Howie is supposed to be good at. We let Milton Williams walk, Becton walk, Slay, Rodgers, etc. all walk, because we need to have money in the future for these guys. So, that's non-negotiable. But, of the 3, Carter is the lowest priority for me.

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15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was hoping to get through the first 5 games 4-1 and fine with 3-2. It’s a hard schedule to start the year. Really want to see us build on games now and find more consistency.

I saw them as Statement games, so my hope was 5-0.

Wow. The Jalen Carter stock has gone down quite a bit since last season in here. In 4 games?! What 1 spitting incident can do. 😄 I think we all knew the immaturity issues in here from Day 1. And hope that he figures that part out with age. Remember Embiid and his immature trash talking!? But Carter was held mostly in check last year. Maybe BG was good for him. Regardless, he's number 1 priority for me. He's beat up and gutting it out. Might not be the most likeable guy. Potential Hall of famer here. Not falling for that. He stays!

Teams have to gameplan for JC. The other 2 are great and very likeable players but not the same in that regard.

That's all everyone's talked about all offseason here. We can't sign anyone. We have to pay JC blah blah blah. First order of business is JC. Then we see. We saw what this defense looked like without JC in game 1...

53 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Jalen was sliding … equivalent of being a passer.

I’ve never deep dived into film after games, but is it receivers not getting open or Jalen not seeing the field ? Guess the other look is protection giving him the time to go thru progressions ? How say you football savvy fans ?

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

In the NFL, every season is a new blank slate, there is so much turnover that it's not like baseball or hockey where you usually have a core that sets how good your team will probably be.

Right now they are starting Ringo, Campbell, Hunt, Mukuba, Ojomo, Smith (until Smith returns) and Davis went from rotation to full-time starter. That's turning over half your starters and much of your bench.

While there's more continuity on offense, 2 starters are hurting (Dickinson, Lane), Steen is new, and the bench is new (Dillon, Bigsby, Metchie, Latu, Granson, Pryor, Kendall).

It takes time both to get everyone on the same page, new veterans to learn the system, and 1st and 2nd year players to raise their game.

After the bye week, the young players have 8 games under their belt and can play bigger roles, and the coaches can self-scout and make adjustments for the second half.

Get to the bye 6-2 or better and the Eagles are in the driver's seat.

Prior to the season I would have been ok with 6-2.

Now, I fully expect 8-0 or 7-1

3 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Wow. The Jalen Carter stock has gone down quite a bit since last season in here. In 4 games. What 1 spitting incident can do. 😄 He's number 1 priority for me. He's beat up and gutting it out. Might not be the most likeable guy. Potential Hall of famer here. Not falling for that. He stays! That's all everyone's talked about all offseason here. We can't sign anyone. We have to pay JC blah blah blah.

That wasn't me being down on Jalen Carter. I think this is a very realistic scenario over the next few years. You can't pay everyone. There are going to be some really tough decisions and a few of them have underlying variables.

-Nolan Smith can't stay healthy, but he's a very good young DE. We just have no idea what he truly is or can be because he can't stay on the field.

-Jalen Carter has some serious growing up to do. He's saying the right thing, but do you trust him to not be stupid at least once every few weeks? There's a risk with that.

-Cooper DeJean, what is he and how do you pay him? He's not an outside CB, he's not a safety, but he's more than a nickel back. He's a starter in every sense.

-Jordan Davis is finally thinned out and lean. Can he do it year in and year out or did he bust his ass to get paid?

-Reed Blankenship is as steady as they come at safety. What's his value dollar wise? He changed agents this year which doesn't bode well for retaining him IMO.

-Quinyon Mitchell is the only no brainer at this point.

Howie has a walk away price for every player. You keep your star players together by making the tough decisions to let certain guys walk. The key is finding replacements in the draft and having those players play at a high level on rookie contracts while you offset the big contracts. We're seeing this year some of those gambles don't pay off though (CB2, Edge).

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That wasn't me being down on Jalen Carter. I think this is a very realistic scenario over the next few years. You can't pay everyone. There are going to be some really tough decisions and a few of them have underlying variables.

-Nolan Smith can't stay healthy, but he's a very good young DE. We just have no idea what he truly is or can be because he can't stay on the field.

-Jalen Carter has some serious growing up to do. He's saying the right thing, but do you trust him to not be stupid at least once every few weeks? There's a risk with that.

-Cooper DeJean, what is he and how do you pay him? He's not an outside CB, he's not a safety, but he's more than a nickel back. He's a starter in every sense.

-Jordan Davis is finally thinned out and lean. Can he do it year in and year out or did he bust his ass to get paid?

-Reed Blankenship is as steady as they come at safety. What's his value dollar wise? He changed agents this year which doesn't bode well for retaining him IMO.

-Quinyon Mitchell is the only no brainer at this point.

Howie has a walk away price for every player. You keep your star players together by making the tough decisions to let certain guys walk. The key is finding replacements in the draft and having those players play at a high level on rookie contracts while you offset the big contracts. We're seeing this year some of those gambles don't pay off though (CB2, Edge).

I am not paying a ton for Reed Blankenship and Nolan Smith. Let Smith play that 5th year if healthy and see where we are at.

Would prioritize:

JC

Quinyon

Coop

In that order.

Davis just woke up and would give him a nice deal after this season. But nothing earth shattering. $20M per. At most.

16 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

I’ve never deep dived into film after games, but is it receivers not getting open or Jalen not seeing the field ? Guess the other look is protection giving him the time to go thru progressions ? How say you football savvy fans ?

It's a little bit of all the above in my opinion, but the sky is not falling, PHI is 4-0 and will work their way through it while still winning games. That's what they get paid to do, and they still have one of, if not the best rosters in the league.

Stay away from the panic button the season is only 4 weeks old.

38 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You can only re-sign 2 of the 3 to 2nd contracts here. What are you doing?

Jalen Carter, Cooper DeJean, Quinyon Mitchell.

98 and 27

98 and 33

33 and 27

Carter and Mitchell easily

Carter is a freak and Mitchell is a lockdown CB when all we've really just been asking for is good CB play you don't let that guy walk

That's not to say Cooper sucks. He's actually been great for us. His tackling is top notch. Though he needs to wrap up more because shoulder tackles don't always bring them down

40 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Eagles need a better plan for TE1 in 2026 than hoping Cameron Latu becomes that guy. If Howie follows that plan, its malpractice.

Again, you appear to be approaching it from a Manechean perspective. No one has said Latu would be the only option. Your "less is more” and my "more is more” difference in problem solving approaches has raised its head in the past and it is doing so in this case.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i don’t want anyone on that turf there. It’s a Dallas turf that should’ve been replaced but their owner just continues to watch it be an issue.

It's a joke, the NFL is supposed to be all about player safety meanwhile it's ok for the Giants and other teams to have a crap turf. Complete hypocrisy. It should be mandatory with owning a team to have some sort of grass field.

The good news with the OL is that theyre still pass blocking very well. So I tend to think its more lower body stuff with Dickerson, and not as much the back with him and Mailata. A hurt back is gonna hurt a lot in extension, so being stood up trying to absorb a bull rush is the type of thing to make you crumble with back pain. The lower body stuff will make them struggle with the quickness on their reach blocks, and getting out to the 2nd level and blocking moving targets.

Id sit Dickerson this week, and possibly next week. When he returns, stagger who rests between Lane and Mailata depending on who needs it sooner. Cant have them all sit at once. But, if theyre powering through it now, they can all have a turn.

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That wasn't me being down on Jalen Carter. I think this is a very realistic scenario over the next few years. You can't pay everyone. There are going to be some really tough decisions and a few of them have underlying variables.

-Nolan Smith can't stay healthy, but he's a very good young DE. We just have no idea what he truly is or can be because he can't stay on the field.

-Jalen Carter has some serious growing up to do. He's saying the right thing, but do you trust him to not be stupid at least once every few weeks? There's a risk with that.

-Cooper DeJean, what is he and how do you pay him? He's not an outside CB, he's not a safety, but he's more than a nickel back. He's a starter in every sense.

-Jordan Davis is finally thinned out and lean. Can he do it year in and year out or did he bust his ass to get paid?

-Reed Blankenship is as steady as they come at safety. What's his value dollar wise? He changed agents this year which doesn't bode well for retaining him IMO.

-Quinyon Mitchell is the only no brainer at this point.

Howie has a walk away price for every player. You keep your star players together by making the tough decisions to let certain guys walk. The key is finding replacements in the draft and having those players play at a high level on rookie contracts while you offset the big contracts. We're seeing this year some of those gambles don't pay off though (CB2, Edge).

Actually, I have DeJean above Q. Carter is the lowest of the three because his contributions are the easiest to replace. Q and DeJean are closer to being unicorns than Carter is IMO.

I agree 100% with @Iggles_Phan that Howie’s job is to bring all three back

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Actually, I have DeJean above Q. Carter is the lowest of the three because his contributions are the easiest to replace. Q and DeJean are closer to being unicorns than Carter is IMO.

I agree 100% with @Iggles_Phan that Howie’s job is to bring all three back

So you are going to make an elite nickelback the priority? Interesting. I like Coop and his stellar tackling. I know we are so used to Maddox sucking that it may feel he's so irreplaceable. Cooper probably isn't the same player without Carter and his dominance. But would Carter still eat without Cooper? I think so.

What I hope with Dickerson is he’s just still recovering from the knee and the back and it’s not an Embiid situation because he got the meniscus trim rather than the full repair. I don’t want an OL with degenerative knee issues like Embiid. But I’m guessing it’s not because Embiid had significant tears that even with a trim required much longer recovery stints than Dickerson’s 2 weeks. For Dickerson to come back that fast, as tough as he is, it was likely a very small tear and removal. But who can say for sure.

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

So you are going to make an elite nickelback the priority? Interesting. I like Coop and his stellar tackling. I know we are so used to Maddox sucking that it may feel he's so irreplaceable. Cooper isn't the same player without Carter and his dominance. But would Carter still eat without Cooper?

That's part of what makes the decision so difficult. Cooper DeJean has played every defensive snap this year. The only other players to do so are Quinyon Mitchell, Zack Baun and Reed Blankenship. He's so much more than an elite nickelback.

7 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

So you are going to make an elite nickelback the priority? Interesting. I like Coop and his stellar tackling. I know we are so used to Maddox sucking that it may feel he's so irreplaceable. Cooper probably isn't the same player without Carter and his dominance. But would Carter still eat without Cooper? I think so.

Cooper could be an elite safety, possibly even a boundary corner if they asked him to play there. He’s far more than just an elite nickel back.

3 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

So you are going to make an elite nickelback the priority? Interesting. I like Coop and his stellar tackling. I know we are so used to Maddox sucking that it may feel he's so irreplaceable. Cooper isn't the same player without Carter and his dominance. But would Carter still eat without Cooper?

Good question and good convo.

In Fangio’s 4-2-5 (2-4-5 if you prefer, or even 2-2-2-5) absolutely. He’s the disrupter.

Fangio is all about controlled rush from the front four, with the 5 DBs plus the 2 ILBs presenting an ever changing variety of locations for the seams between the 7 zones the receivers have to run into. De Jean and the two ILBs are tasked with taking away the quick release patterns over the middle that used to kill the Eagles’ Defenses not so very long ago. What we have from Carter we have had in the past, but what we have from DeJean is quite unique.

JMO

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Good question and good convo.

In Fangio’s 4-2-5 (2-4-5 if you prefer, or even 2-2-2-5) absolutely. He’s the disrupter.

Fangio is all about controlled rush from the front four, with the 5 DBs plus the 2 ILBs presenting an ever changing variety of locations for the seams between the 7 zones the receivers have to run into. De Jean and the two ILBs are tasked with taking away the quick release patterns over the middle that used to kill the Eagles’ Defenses not so very long ago. What we have from Carter we have had in the past, but what we have from DeJean is quite unique.

JMO

I see the value. For sure. Just keeping it more simple. What would the defense look like with out Carter and what would it look like without Cooper? That defensive line would be toast without Carter. Get shredded vs the run and pass. And he plays close to 80- 90% of snaps which is a heavier workload than past D-Tackles here. Think they could survive better without Coop. Still have Baun, Campbell and Reed to help out in the tackling areas.