1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

He has 69.3% completion this season.

and? what does that have to do with him missing wrs that are breaking open and holding the ball ?

suck it up, hurts is a part of the issue along with numerous other things.

I think #1 is playcalling and the scheme. Oline is banged up and we're treating it like it's the one that let Barkley run 2k yds

There are ways to mitigate the injuries at Oline and get Smith, Brown, and Barkley involved but we're not doing it. It's been stubborn gameplay

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I didn't say his play calling has been amazing. The coward's draws being the worst. But even with those, the Eagles as a coaching staff comb through everything during the week that they want to do during games. They have a big coaching staff plus Sirianni who's an offensive head coach. Do you think that they have an amazing game plan set up during the week and then Patullo goes into the game and just goes rogue calling dumb stuff and if that were the case that Sirianni would be stupid or weak enough not to demand he change it? Sirianni's the head coach man, this is his football team. He's responsible for almost everything that happens on game day. And Stout is the run game coordinator.

The Eagles have all these coaches who go into a larger pie and Patullo is the only one being trashed. If people want to say Patullo hasn't been doing a good job, then fine, but to say that without acknowledging the other offensive coaches is unfair.

I understand what you are saying...but you are still glossing over the point that someone is actually calling the plays. Yes, they collaborate and come up with a game plan, but the actual play calling is really the concern. Someone is making these mindless decisions...I finally watched the offense use some motion and variation last Sunday in the first half. The Bus defense was forced to adapt after success against the blitz...they were being challenged both horizontally and vertically and the Eagles were moving the ball successfully. It seems in hindsight that the success only lasted the first 15 plays...the potential scripted plays...after that..it went straight back to crap. I am sure other factors are involved...but until I see some common sense play calling, I will reserve much of criticism for the OL, QB and RB which seems to be a popular choice right now.

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But even with those, the Eagles as a coaching staff comb through everything during the week that they want to do during games. They have a big coaching staff plus Sirianni who's an offensive head coach. Do you think that they have an amazing game plan set up during the week and then Patullo goes into the game and just goes rogue calling dumb stuff and if that were the case that Sirianni would be stupid or weak enough not to demand he change it?

Ok, let's try to go at this another way...

In your estimation, what were the reasons for why the offense regressed in such a remarkable way in 2023 compared to the season prior? You're implying it's not the OC going in and making dumb game day play calls, thus torpedoing an amazing game plan designed by this big coaching staff with an offensive minded head coach, so it must naturally be due to something else. If Brian Johnson didn't go rogue calling dumb stuff either, then what went wrong in '23?

Watched a highlight video of AJ in the TB game. The passes that targeted him in fact were off the marks and not catchable. Those misses were more on Hurts than on AJ. They have been teammates for several seasons and to be off so much is unbelievable. The coaches have to work with them to get everybody on the same page.

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think #1 is playcalling and the scheme. Oline is banged up and we're treating it like it's the one that let Barkley run 2k yds

There are ways to mitigate the injuries at Oline and get Smith, Brown, and Barkley involved but we're not doing it. It's been stubborn gameplay

i wouldnt put it #1, but it's part of it. it's hard to mitigate anything when the talent just isn't there, be it because of injury slowing players down, or the replacements not being good enough.

Our national nightmare is over.

Kenyon Green has been caught and comprised to a permanent end.

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not yet. You'll know tomorrow. Vic said this week or next he'll start practicing.

Hopefully he enjoys ST because Campbell ain't giving that job back

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Don't forget the Sixers have a preseason game against the Knicks on 10/4. That's the one you should be watching

Goes without saying. Those were our preplanned activities.

I think it would be funny if Nick started a trend where he doesn’t use the push against coaches who bend the knee and support the play like Bowles did. They didn’t use it once against Tampa.

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i wouldnt put it #1, but it's part of it. it's hard to mitigate anything when the talent just isn't there, be it because of injury slowing players down, or the replacements not being good enough.

Plenty of talent with Brown, Smith, and Barkley. Just make quick throws. Plenty of success just taking the short pass

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Hopefully he enjoys ST because Campbell ain't giving that job back

Does he even have a place there? Smael Mondon, Jeremiah Trotter and Patrick Johnson are the leading LB's on ST's and not sure Dean off a patellar deserves to be over them.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Our national nightmare is over.

Kenyon Green has been caught and comprised to a permanent end.

Even so, let’s not forget that the Broncos were one of the teams who voted against it. So did the Bucs. Their owners didn’t care what their head coaches thought. The were more interested in sucking up to Roger.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I got AJ's back all day. He's absolutely right

32 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

and? what does that have to do with him missing wrs that are breaking open and holding the ball ?

suck it up, hurts is a part of the issue along with numerous other things.

Yea. There's no excuse. AJ had the guy beat and if QB1 throws it in front of him that's a td. Instead he threw it over his head onto the sidelines

38 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

and? what does that have to do with him missing wrs that are breaking open and holding the ball ?

suck it up, hurts is a part of the issue along with numerous other things.

Look at that get open grade for AJ this year. Look at all coaches tape that comes our after games where you can see there is hardly anything open. This offense juat runs the same routes and concepts that has defenses knowing exactly where WRs are going to be going in their routes.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

The counterpoint would be that we've seen this offense excel (2022 and parts of 2024) with certain play callers (Steichen and Moore) and struggle with others. If the playbook was all crap and the play caller were irrelevant, then we wouldn't see a wide variety in outcomes like this. The drastic improvement when Nick handed over play calling in 2021 is evidence of this.

Even if you think the OC has no input on the play book and design (which I don't think is correct as things have evolved since 2021), the play caller has clearly had an impact.

To be fair, I think the line play is the biggest issue so far this year.

Evidence? Pfft. We don't need no stinkin' evidence!

30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ok, let's try to go at this another way...

In your estimation, what were the reasons for why the offense regressed in such a remarkable way in 2023 compared to the season prior? You're implying it's not the OC going in and making dumb game day play calls, thus torpedoing an amazing game plan designed by this big coaching staff with an offensive minded head coach, so it must naturally be due to something else. If Brian Johnson didn't go rogue calling dumb stuff either, then what went wrong in '23?

Jalen Hurts turning the ball over a ton and having a major regression season, a tougher schedule, a downgrade at OC, and teams spending the entire offseason studying the Eagles to figure out how to stop them. Brian Johnson was a factor, but one of many factors and not even the main factor. And if Brian Johnson had Saquon Barkley and the Eagles had the 2024 defense in 2023, they never would've collapsed and probably would've went to the Super Bowl again.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Why not just use Steichen's passing concepts? Both Smith and Brown were 1,000+ yard receivers under him with Hurts as the QB. Seems like a simple solution.

Too simple... apparently. Every year every team has to completely scrap everything and start fresh... all the time. We can't recycle plays... well, except the Tush Push. That's a mainstay. Vince Lombardi rebuilt his Power Sweep every year from scratch. Never the same twice.

Oh wait... it really just comes down to executing your plays better than your opponent. Much less about deception and much more about execution.

I don't want the Eagles to trade AJ Brown. I want them to feed him the ball and let him take over a game like he's capable of.

But for those who suggest trading him. What do you think his value is? What makes you say OK, we can move on?

35 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I understand what you are saying...but you are still glossing over the point that someone is actually calling the plays. Yes, they collaborate and come up with a game plan, but the actual play calling is really the concern. Someone is making these mindless decisions...I finally watched the offense use some motion and variation last Sunday in the first half. The Bus defense was forced to adapt after success against the blitz...they were being challenged both horizontally and vertically and the Eagles were moving the ball successfully. It seems in hindsight that the success only lasted the first 15 plays...the potential scripted plays...after that..it went straight back to crap. I am sure other factors are involved...but until I see some common sense play calling, I will reserve much of criticism for the OL, QB and RB which seems to be a popular choice right now.

The Eagles have actually used motion at a higher rate this season than last season, they just haven't utilized it well. I don't think the play calling is the main issue, I think it's the play design. Unless you think the playbook is loaded with all these great plays that Patullo is just willfully ignoring.