Can't wait til Hurts take us to another Superbowl victory vs the Chiefs and becoming Mahomey's Daddy. Officially. And in here you will be hearing from Taters how they won in spite of him. And how boring the offense was. And they will be looking for the next Carson Strong. And probably have a new offensive coordinator to boot. And we continue this vicious cycle.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Funny thing is Patullo was the passing game coordiantor. The OL is clearly worse this year too so far. Pretty significantly right now. That's having an impact. Don't get me wrong if this was the entire sample we had to go on I'd say Patullo should go. But it won't be the entire sample so we'll see if Patullo and the rest of the O improve over the course of the season. I do think Sirriani will be very reluctant to fire Patullo if it came to that. It would have to stem from Hurts talking to Lurie I think . Again long way to go. The O could put 3 quarters together next week and be on their way. The opponents have been very good and that is being underestimated too imo

The offensive line not being healthy is really hurting us. Run blocking has been worse than pass pro but neither has been remotely close to what we’ve seen from the unit last year and a bulk of the time under stoutland. Definitely feels like injuries because I don’t think all these guys have declined in one year to be what they are now.

I am as frustrated as everyone else. But Pattulo needs to show th next couple weeks improvement so when we get to the bye week we feel like he’s turning the corner. To his credit their red zone stuff for the most part has been very good. That said this whole BS stuff that was put out there this offseason about he was just a "plug-in play OC” due to familiarity with players, sirianni and scheme was kind of ridiculous. Even if that is all true he has never called plays before at this level. It was always going to take time to adjust to doing that and learning. He’s essentially a rookie with a team that has Super Bowl expectations. He’s gotta learn on the fly and frankly fast but he also he needs time to get into his own rhythm and comfortability. If he hit the ground running with no speed bumps he’s likely leaving at the end of the year for a HC job. If we get to the bye and it’s the same then we really should be concerned.

That said I wouldn’t have went Patullo with this SB expectations. I felt like I would’ve reached out to Frank Reich in February and made him offensive coordinator. I think he’s good in that role. I doubt he leaves for Stanford to be an interim HC if he had that job here.

I do think they go conservative to try not to turn the ball over (issue beginning of 2023 and really went to this after the bye in 2024). And that’s why you always hear it in the pressers about turnovers. I also think there’s times where they’re just heavily reliant on their talent is going to beat your talent. Because Howie has done such a great job building up this roster we can win a lot of games (albeit sometimes closer than they need to be browns and panthers games come to mind) doing that. However, feels like coaches can make life much easier for our guys by becoming better with scheming with that talent. I don’t think anybody here would disagree with this along with OL getting healthier

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The offensive line not being healthy is really hurting us. Run blocking has been worse than pass pro but neither has been remotely close to what we’ve seen from the unit last year and a bulk of the time under stoutland. Definitely feels like injuries because I don’t think all these guys have declined in one year to be what they are now.

I am as frustrated as everyone else. But Pattulo needs to show th next couple weeks improvement so when we get to the bye week we feel like he’s turning the corner. To his credit their red zone stuff for the most part has been very good. That said this whole BS stuff that was put out there this offseason about he was just a "plug-in play OC” due to familiarity with players, sirianni and scheme was kind of ridiculous. Even if that is all true he has never called plays before at this level. It was always going to take time to adjust to doing that and learning. He’s essentially a rookie with a team that has Super Bowl expectations. He’s gotta learn on the fly and frankly fast but he also needs time to get into his own rhythm and comfortability.

That said I wouldn’t have went Patullo with this SB expectations. I felt like I would’ve reached out to Frank Reich in February and made him offensive coordinator. I think he’s good in that role. I doubt he leaves for Stanford to be an interim HC if he had that job here.

I do think they go conservative to not try to turn the ball over (issue beginning of 2023 and really went to this after the bye in 2024). And that’s why you always hear it in the pressers about turnovers. I also think there’s times where they’re just heavily reliant on their talent is going to beat your talent. Because Howie has done such a great job building up this roster we can win a lot of games (albeit sometimes closer than they need to be browns and panthers games come to mind) doing that. However, feels like coaches can make life much easier for our guys by becoming better with scheming with that talent. I don’t think anybody here would disagree with this along with OL getting healthier

I think the jury is still out with Pattulo - one good thing I’ve noticed is that they have been running more motion and play action.

That said - Frank Reich would have been an interesting choice - mostly due to the fact that he likely would have been here for years as OC since teams have already seen what he was as a HC - he likely wouldn’t of been pulled away - giving Hurts and the offense some consistency, etc.

Sirriani had enough juice after SB to get Patullo. There was no one else getting the job. No chance

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So Orlovsky, O'Sullivan, Shane Haff, Honest Football, eagles Eric are all right and the current offensive coaching staff, all of whom have SB rings, are idiots and running these failed concepts because they feel like it.

Apply this logic to Sean Desai. Were the analysts wrong when they called him dogshit or was he in fact dogshit at being a DC? Only one can be true.

And before you throw around the SB ring as the differentiator, plenty of assistants or position coaches with SB rings flamed out and were unceremoniously canned when it was apparent they were in over their head after being promoted.

Press Taylor had a SB ring and still sucked when he was named as OC. Doug Pederson was just fired a second time after getting a ring too. I don't even know where Flip is at these days. Hell, Matt Patrcia has multiple SB rings and was even more dogshit than Desai. This line of reasoning is so dumb and lazy.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Sirriani had enough juice after SB to get Patullo. There was no one else getting the job. No chance

Exactly. It's obvious to everyone that Patillo was hand picked by him.

Teams almost invariably promote from within when they win a SB and lose coordinators, specifically on offense. The New England Patriots never hired an external OC in their dynasty years. Teams hire external OC’s when they are looking for a change in direction, not to defend a SB title.

Imaging if whatever department you work in for whatever it is you do is absolutely kicking ass. Your boss leaves to go to another company for a big promotion. Your boss’ boss doesn’t consider you for the job and hires an outsider who wasn’t even part of a department as good as yours. You gonna be cool with that?

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I think the jury is still out with Pattilo - one good thing I’ve noticed is that they have been running more motion and play action.

That said - Frank Reich would have been an interesting choice - mostly due to the fact that he likely would have been here for years as OC since teams have already seen what he was as a HC - he likely wouldn’t of been pulled away - giving Hurts and the offense some consistency, etc.

I give Patullo credit, his red zone offense really hasn’t been an issue. He’s also found ways to be creative in the red zone. I think with time he’s going to get better. How much better I think is probably the question. Because you would like to be going into the bye week feeling good about where this offenses especially with Green Bay and Detroit right after the bye. I actually feel at least Pattulo could start seeing improvements and offense playing better because his red zone offense is creative and it’s been good. Add on he has lane leaving games, jurgens and Dickerson not looking like full strength or even close to 80-90%. And steen has only started a handful of games. With Brian Johnson, he had a healthier team starting the year and didn’t feel very great about anything with the offense going into that niners, cowboys and Seahawks stretch. That was also after we did what we did to the bills. It still felt like fools gold.

I’m hoping Patullo sticks it to all of us and looks like a genius at years end. Thus all this looks foolish in the end. However, my concern was you had Super Bowl or bust type expectations with this roster and who knows how long that lasts. And it’s unfair to a first year offensive coordinator that is just starting to call plays to expect him to just hit the ground running. Makes it worse for him is we saw the eagles offense at their best their last 2 games last year as they thrashed the commanders and the Chiefs. I’d add the Eagles schedule has been brutal. Week 2 to 5 i believe are all playoff caliber teams. Heck 3 of those 4 teams I’d argue are SB contenders. I would have to go look, but I don’t think there’s a team in this league that has had the type of schedule the Eagles have had to start. Maybe the ravens but they even got the Browns in there.

Tbh I think the "conservative approach” is intentional - basically what they are doing is challenging teams to force them "not to be conservative”.

Something along the lines of, "We’re going to play the conservative game until we are forced to become more aggressive, etc”.

So far, only the Rams "forced them to be more aggressive” and they were.

That said, it almost backfired on them hadn’t it been for Davis’ blocked FG.

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Sirriani had enough juice after SB to get Patullo. There was no one else getting the job. No chance

Guys. It was after the Super Bowl. All the other top candidates were long gone.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The scheme tree with Reich does not match well with Jalen Hurts. It requires different type of QBing. Look no further than the changes in how Daniel Jones' game adapted, even under Steichen, the person most fit to modify the scheme in good ways. Not having the velocity and trust to rip it consistently in that scheme tree is painful, the model for it is Phillip Rivers.

Jalen wants guys to be notably open, where he feels he can make very safe throws. That means scheming guys wide open a lot, rather than QBs being asked to throw guys open. Unfortunately, the coordinators that can do that consistently are far and few between, those are guys like Shanahan and Reid.

From Roobs observations in 411:

7. It was an odd game for Hurts, but we should point out that with 24 passes Sunday, Hurts has now thrown 241 consecutive regular-season passes without an interception. He broke the franchise record of 233 set by Nick Foles in 2013. Hurts has now gone 10 straight starts without an interception, tied for the 3rd-longest streak in NFL history. Justin Herbert had an 11-game streak last year and Tom Brady had an 11-game streak over the 2010 and 2011 seasons. Jared Goff in 2022 and 2023 and Derek Carr in 2018 also had 10-game streaks. Since throwing four interceptions in the Eagles’ first three games last year, Hurts has thrown 360 passes over 16 regular-season games with just one interception. He’s the first quarterback in NFL history to throw at least 300 passes over a 16-game span with one or fewer interceptions.

Have you ever heard the expression that if you’ve never missed a flight, you’re spending too much time at the airport? Late 2023 and early 2024, Hurts was turning the ball over quite a bit and that triggered a significant change in the offense.

Considering how congested and conservative the pass attack has become, it may be time to paradoxically stop celebrating the lack of INTs. I’m not saying that we need to see Hurts go out and toss a couple INTs next week (he nearly did with a couple of those throws against the Bucs anyway). But to the point of everyone who hates the coaches, 150 yards passing per game and no INTs is probably a sign that it’s time to push a little bit.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Teams almost invariably promote from within when they win a SB and lose coordinators, specifically on offense. The New England Patriots never hired an external OC in their dynasty years. Teams hire external OC’s when they are looking for a change in direction, not to defend a SB title.

Imaging if whatever department you work in for whatever it is you do is absolutely kicking ass. Your boss leaves to go to another company for a big promotion. Your boss’ boss doesn’t consider you for the job and hires an outsider who wasn’t even part of a department as good as yours. You gonna be cool with that?

Who’s to say they didn’t hire somebody from the outside that’s got more experience than you right now (important given the SB or bust type roster) and has shown he can do the job at this level for a SB winning team. Add on could’ve been someone sirianni trusts and was friends with like Reich

I said the same thing when they hired Brian Johnson as when they hired Patullo. The first year isn’t going to go smoothly and without ups and downs. It rarely does for a new OC with little to no play calling experience especially Super Bowl championship roster as he was always going to have a learning curve. He was never just a plug-in play and you were going to be fine from the very jump. There was always going to be a learning curve for him. Tbh he might not find his best strides until year 2 when he’s much more confident and comfortable which who knows if he gets year 2. I can kind of see Zach Berman’s scenario. either Patullo winds up being really good and leaves at the end of the year for a HC job. or he wasn’t gonna be good enough and they go out and get a offensive coordinator with more experience. I don’t think that is out of the realm of possibilities

Imo if we are sitting here going into the bye week and the offense looks very similar to what it does now then we have a problem. Cause he should be learning and we should be seeing improvements week to week. But that’s four weeks away and when we get to that point, then the discussion can be had because I think at that point we can assess the fact that he’s not learning (or not learning quickly enough) and this offense is still super inconsistent. I’m hoping he comes out and proves himself next 4 weeks

8 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Guys. It was after the Super Bowl. All the other top candidates were long gone.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The scheme tree with Reich does not match well with Jalen Hurts. It requires different type of QBing. Look no further than the changes in how Daniel Jones' game adapted, even under Steichen, the person most fit to modify the scheme in good ways. Not having the velocity and trust to rip it consistently in that scheme tree is painful.

Jalen wants guys to be notably open, where he feels he can make very safe throws. That means scheming guys wide open a lot, rather than QBs being asked to throw guys open. Unfortunately, the coordinators that can do that consistently are far and few between, those are guys like Shanahan and Reid.

Just point out kind of think Reich can adapt as an OC. He went from wentz to foles in a couple of weeks and got (along with Doug being right there with him) Nick Foles to play at his very best in a short period of time. Wentz and Foles were not similar style QBs especially not in 2017. Also had 5 different starters in 5 years for the colts. Only year he was completely awful was 2022 with a finished Matt Ryan.

I view Reich tenure as HC of the colts as always searching for Qb once luck retired at the end of August 2019. Had brissett at Qb went 7-9 with a so-so roster and losing your franchise Qb a week before the season started. Brisset isn’t a starter yet won 7 games with him and Hoyer. 2020 had rivers at the end of his career. Got 11 wins with a declined and aged rivers. Then wentz who still hasn’t been 2017 or even 2019 wentz. However wentz best season after 2019 came with the colts and reich probably got more out of him then what he is any more (27 tds and 7 ints and went 9-8). Last year he had Matt Ryan who was done. Even the end of the previous year was speculation he wasn’t the same anymore.

I’m not even gonna bring up his time with the Panthers because that organization is so dysfunctional. You see again this year how bad that franchise is.

Also, despite not being that old, I’m all for being an old man yelling at the clouds that they need to class up the league. If you want to make that an initiative, then go back to the tape and start fining players left and right for all the unsportsmanlike crap they may do. I’m sure that’ll be a nightmare with the NFLPA, but go for it. Don’t let this initiative affect the outcome of games with 15 yard flags.

22 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Tbh I think the "conservative approach” is intentional - basically what they are doing is challenging teams to force them "not to be conservative”.

Something along the lines of, "We’re going to play the conservative game until we are forced to become more aggressive, etc”.

So far, only the Rams "forced them to be more aggressive” and they were.

That said, it almost backfired on them hadn’t it been for Davis’ blocked FG.

Exactly this. I am not sure they have the balance quite right - they waited too long for that switch too flip in my view but it is certainly intentional. Down 16 - 7, the ran on 3rd and long. 10 seconds at 35 yard line with all timeouts left, they didn't take a single shot to try and steal a FG.

They also went conservative when up big vs Buccs in second half. This would be fine if the run game was clicking a little but it is not and it almost cost them the game

3 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

And Siri has a connection with Frank which could make it more or less likely. Less likely because he may want his mentor working for him

Frank Reich is the head coach at Stanford.

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just point out kind of think Reich can adapt as an OC. He went from wentz to foles in a couple of weeks and got (along with Doug being right there with him) Nick Foles to play at his very best in a short period of time. Wentz and Foles were not similar style QBs especially not in 2017. Also had 5 different starters in 5 years for the colts. Only year he was completely awful was 2022 with a finished Matt Ryan.

I view Reich tenure as HC of the colts as always searching for Qb once luck retired at the end of August 2019. Had brissett at Qb went 7-9 with a so-so roster and losing your franchise Qb a week before the season started. Brisset isn’t a starter yet won 7 games with him and Hoyer. 2020 had rivers at the end of his career. Got 11 wins with a declined and aged rivers. Then wentz who still hasn’t been 2017 or even 2019 wentz. However wentz best season after 2019 came with the colts and reich probably got more out of him then what he is any more (27 tds and 7 ints and went 9-8). Last year he had Matt Ryan who was done. Even the end of the previous year was speculation he wasn’t the same anymore.

I’m not even gonna bring up his time with the Panthers because that organization is so dysfunctional. You see again this year how bad that franchise is.

I actually like Reich, I'm just saying that for better or worse the only one from that tree that showed consistent offensive capabilities in the NFL so far is Steichen. If you're arguing that's not Reich's fault, that's perfectly fine, but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of dynamic issue going on with Reich that is why he's not on the Eagles staff right now. It's probably something to do with him being Sirianni's mentor, and the weirdness that could cause.

Almost 0 chance he burned any bridges on the way out, Reich just doesn't seem like that kind of guy. I've love to have him back, but I feel like he was the only real outside candidate that made a lot of sense at the time. I don't know how Reich would do with someone with Jalen's type of skillset though.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Frank Reich is the head coach at Stanford.

Yup. That ship has sailed. If they were gonna do it, it was back in February where they had a chance to do it. I would’ve liked if they were making patullo the OC for him to be a consultant with the team in the coaching staff. But then again when the Stanford head-coaching job opened up, and they offered it to him as an interim he was probably leaving anyway so he was unlikely to be here unless he was OC.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I actually like Reich, I'm just saying that for better or worse the only one from that tree that showed consistent offensive capabilities in the NFL so far is Steichen. If you're arguing that's not Reich's fault, that's perfectly fine, but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of dynamic issue going on with Reich that is why he's not on the Eagles staff right now. It's probably something to do with him being Sirianni's mentor, and the weirdness that could cause.

Almost 0 chance he burned any bridges on the way out, Reich just doesn't seem like that kind of guy. I've love to have him back, but I feel like he was the only real outside candidate that made a lot of sense at the time. I don't know how Reich would do with someone with Jalen's type of skillset though.

Tbh I don’t think Frank Reich was going to coach this year unless someone came to him with a nice coaching gig like eagles OC or interim HC if Stanford. He might have just retired unless someone like sirianni came calling. Tend to think sirianni really likes patullo and maybe sees himself in him so thinks he could be an excellent OC and eventually HC. So he wanted him to have a shot here rather than him leave and have it elsewhere.

I think what happened with Reich is Stanford fired their coach with Andrew luck running the athletic department. And since Andrew luck has such respect for Frank Reich he recruited him and asked him if he’d be the interim head coach until he could find the head coach next year or next off-season. Imo luck only had Reich for 1 year as HC but thought so highly of him to ask him to be the interim in this weird dynamic. I think it speak volumes

Imo Reich has been in the league as a player and coach for years. I think he’s very equipped to handle an array of situations. Imo i think he’s a much better coordinator than a HC.