25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't think the team has been feeling themselves. And I don't think they have a lack of focus. I don't think their memories are so short that they can't remember losing. They aren't children. They've lost plenty of games before and their memories are just fine in the pain that exists in that.

Maybe so but they've been doing alot of winning games since last season.

It's possible they feel like they can just step on the field and win. Losing today maybe lights a fire but I'm not sure. We'll see how they bounce back Thursday.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

... But if McKee were QB, his zero mobility might be an issue but he would most likely get the ball out quicker than Hurts does.

McKee would get it out quicker to blanketed curl routes?

Yeah, that would be awesome.

McKee would have 4 fumbles and 5 picks through 5 games in this offense, that's if he was not already hurt.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

New England’s Super lucky there’s 1 second left.

I’m kind of surprised - if you’d go for it with 4s left why wouldn’t you go for it with 1s left.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

McKee would get it out quicker to blanketed curl routes?

Yeah, that would be awesome.

McKee would have 4 fumbles and 5 picks through 5 games in this offense, that's if he was not already hurt.

The one thing the OL is doing OK is pass protecting. He had to play under seige at Stanford. McKee seems promising, Hurts is a known at this point.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’m kind of surprised - if you’d go for it with 4s left why wouldn’t you go for it with 1s left.

I thought they were going to go for it. Frankly if they had a tush push they could’ve scored.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Maybe. But NFL teams lose games. It's not always due to complacency.

At least we play on Thursday and might see some urgency…

Lions having the most points through 5 games in franchise history. After they laid an egg week one they got to play the crap bears. Followed by the crap ravens. Then the bad browns. And wrapped it up with the awful bengals.

9 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Maybe so but they've been doing alot of winning games since last season.

It's possible they feel like they can just step on the field and win. Losing today maybe lights a fire but I'm not sure. We'll see how they bounce back Thursday.

I'm hoping this woke them up. Though it really shouldn't take losing a game to change things

8 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

McKee would get it out quicker to blanketed curl routes?

Yeah, that would be awesome.

McKee would have 4 fumbles and 5 picks through 5 games in this offense, that's if he was not already hurt.

So all they run is curl routes? There's never any quick options open? Check downs?

I'm not saying McKee is better than Hurts by any means. Sometimes there are plays to be made with his legs that McKee can't do. But Hurts isnt exactly a QB that likes to take quick options or check downs. He will hold it looking for a bigger play. McKee might (might, maybe, possibly) be better at getting it out faster and taking the shorter stuff. He's done it in some games and preseason but not really in a big game so he is still an unknown.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The one thing the OL is doing OK is pass protecting. He had to play under seige at Stanford. McKee seems promising, Hurts is a known at this point.

When you say known quantity, do you mean he should have had 380 yards and 3 TDs passing today if AJ is not lazy and Steen can stay near the line of scrimmage?

Make it 400 if Goedert keeps going full speed on the broken play. That was the like the Foles throw in the Super Bowl that Jeffery caught near the sideline behind a few DBs

Not counting another 25 in PI on the AJ route to the goal line.

I kind of like that known quantity. This was not a bad QB game unless you have weird agenda.

My favorite is that Hurts is now responsible for babysitting every WR as they line up onside and in formation.

Why read the D, figuring out the coverage and the pressure pre-snap, and work on the motion and the timing when you can be the mother duck lining up all the stupid baby chicks.

If you mean is there a chance that McKee could be better than 70 passing TDs, 46 rushing TDs to 26 picks and 13 fumbles lost for 116 to 39 TDs to turnovers?

That's a clear no way in hell.

Seeing far less talented offenses be able to throw the ball and run the ball every week losses me off. I’m not gonna be able to keep my sanity all season with this crap. Something is so broken with this Eagles offense and they better fix it asap.

Hear me out… does Big Dom know vanilla ice? Cause vanilla said if there’s a problem yo I’ll solve it. So he should be able to help.

13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The one thing the OL is doing OK is pass protecting. He had to play under seige at Stanford. McKee seems promising, Hurts is a known at this point.

PFF has

• Jurgens as 27th in pass blocking centers. There are only 32 teams.

• Dickerson as 79th for guards. That's 64 starters. I get that its injuries but the pressure does not care.

• Steen is 32nd for guards (mediocre)

• Mailata is 18th for OT

• Lane is 15th for OT when he is on the field.

• Fred is 64th for OT (bad)

• Tobin does not qualify for analysis but he was dreadful. Hurts 1 fumble this year was a contract hit on Hurts block from Tobin.

• Toth got a good grade leading into today, 3rd at guard for his 11 snaps vs Dallas. I'm guessing its going to drop like a stone.

I'm not sure how you are seeing OK pass blocking. When I look I see consistent pressure from multiple directions.

i saw Josh Allen avoid one rusher on a play tonight and my first thought was: "Man, I miss when only 1 guy was getting through the line after Hurts"

Hurts ran away from a clean rusher on a play today just to have another clean rusher pull him down. If it was a blitz it was only 5 on 5 or 6 blockers.

This team has to be bottom 5 at holding pass blocks. They might get in the way of someone for a second but they get around them right away.

Combine that with stupid and predictable routes and you make it extremely tough on your QB and he is still playing fairly well. 100+ rating / 7 TDs no picks / lots of key runs including 4 more TDs.

The offense disappears at times but its not like he's missing or not seeing open guys left and right.

I think Lane and Mailata have not been all-world like normal but still very good. The rest of the line, Saquon, and the TEs are a huge mess in pass protection.

Just now, SkippyX said:

When you say known quantity, do you mean he should have had 380 yards and 3 TDs passing today if AJ is not lazy and Steen can stay near the line of scrimmage?

Make it 400 if Goedert keeps going full speed on the broken play. That was the like the Foles throw in the Super Bowl that Jeffery caught near the sideline behind a few DBs

Not counting another 25 in PI on the AJ route to the goal line.

I kind of like that known quantity. This was not a bad QB game unless you have weird agenda.

My favorite is that Hurts is now responsible for babysitting every WR as they line up onside and in formation.

Why read the D, figuring out the coverage and the pressure pre-snap, and work on the motion and the timing when you can be the mother duck lining up all the stupid baby chicks.

If you mean is there a chance that McKee could be better than 70 passing TDs, 46 rushing TDs to 26 picks and 13 fumbles lost for 116 to 39 TDs to turnovers?

That's a clear no way in hell.

We know that we can win a SB with Hurts, it just requires a certain style of play that is dependent on elite talent. The problem is that we don’t have that required talent on the OL anymore. This isn’t unusual in the NFL and coaches scheme around these personnel issues. The peculiarity here is that we run a high school offense, so these issues seem insurmountable.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

PFF has

• Jurgens as 27th in pass blocking centers. There are only 32 teams.

• Dickerson as 79th for guards. That's 64 starters. I get that its injuries but the pressure does not care.

• Steen is 32nd for guards (mediocre)

• Mailata is 18th for OT

• Lane is 15th for OT when he is on the field.

• Fred is 64th for OT (bad)

• Tobin does not qualify for analysis but he was dreadful. Hurts 1 fumble this year was a contract hit on Hurts block from Tobin.

• Toth got a good grade leading into today, 3rd at guard for his 11 snaps vs Dallas. I'm guessing its going to drop like a stone.

I'm not sure how you are seeing OK pass blocking. When I look I see consistent pressure from multiple directions.

i saw Josh Allen avoid one rusher on a play tonight and my first thought was: "Man, I miss when only 1 guy was getting through the line after Hurts"

Hurts ran away from a clean rusher on a play today just to have another clean rusher pull him down. If it was a blitz it was only 5 on 5 or 6 blockers.

This team has to be bottom 5 at holding pass blocks. They might get in the way of someone for a second but they get around them right away.

Combine that with stupid and predictable routes and you make it extremely tough on your QB and he is still playing fairly well. 100+ rating / 7 TDs no picks / lots of key runs including 4 more TDs.

The offense disappears at times but its not like he's missing or not seeing open guys left and right.

I think Lane and Mailata have not been all-world like normal but still very good. The rest of the line, Saquon, and the TEs are a huge mess in pass protection.

I saw good pass blocking today, does PFF measure time to throw. Jalen had plenty of time.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

There is way too much talent on this offense for that to happen

They all need to pull their heads out.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We know that we can win a SB with Hurts, it just requires a certain style of play that is dependent on elite talent. The problem is that we don’t have that required talent on the OL anymore. This isn’t unusual in the NFL and coaches scheme around these personnel issues. The peculiarity here is that we run a high school offense, so these issues seem insurmountable.

Hurts got a bad team to the playoffs in 2021. How do you know what he is reliant on?

A rookie DeVonta, Quez, Reagor, and Greg Ward and JJAW?

He was near top of the league in air yards. He was a passer who also ran.

They happened to build the team where the run game led by his threat as a runner would dominate.

This means he can't play for the Chargers, Ravens, or Bengals? Funny stuff...

Diggs is really helping out his QB tonight

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I saw good pass blocking today, does PFF measure time to throw. Jalen had plenty of time.

Show me the open guys on the all-22 tomorrow.

Also show me how often he had good blocking.

His pouty clown WR quit on a 5 1/2 second hold-the-ball double move perfectly thrown 61 yard TD pass. Is that on Hurts for holding it too long?

Did he hold it too long to let Saquon get all the way out and all the way up?

6 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Diggs is really helping out his QB tonight

Clearly cardi B has helped him find his groove again lol

11 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I saw good pass blocking today, does PFF measure time to throw. Jalen had plenty of time.

It's been good every week yet PFF is handing out poor grades. Im guessing due to Hurts holding on to the ball, and ruining in to pressure out of a clean pocket.

They've even been very good in blitz pickup. He's had tons of time to throw.

Here is a stupid test.

If you see a 7 man rush that at the snap drops into a 4 man rush with three disgused players in coverage that the QB and recievers are not expecting do you think:

Both QB and receivers need to process the new coverage.

OR

screw it, just wing it and maybe its a pick but can't hold the ball or the EMB might get mad.

Then the line holds up for a total of 1.5 seconds and now its "Hurts can't handle disguised pressure!"

Show me who got open, how fast they got open, and in what direction Hurts was processing his reads and how fast he got pressure.

To think that only the QB is tricked on that play and its not also some cases of OL blocking air while a rusher goes free is some truly delusional and specific QB hatred.

Spags is brilliant. He was going to throw 35 disguised pressures at Hurts but he did not really want to win so he did not use the easy button Hurts Kryptonite for reasons.

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Show me the open guys on the all-22 tomorrow.

Also show me how often he had good blocking.

His pouty clown WR quit on a 5 1/2 second hold-the-ball double move perfectly thrown 61 yard TD pass. Is that on Hurts?

It sounds like he had good protection on that play, right? It also sounds like a symptom of a complete lack of timing within the offense. Normally, WRs are looking for the ball within certain windows after their breaks - it’s what they train for…

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Clearly cardi B has helped him find his groove again lol

What is that powder?

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

It sounds like he had good protection on that play, right? It also sounds like a symptom of a complete lack of timing within the offense. Normally, WRs are looking for the ball within certain windows after their breaks - it’s what they train for…

I'm not saying the OL got beat on every play. I'm saying overall they had a bad pass blocking day.

Watch the all 22 or watch the people that do it for you later.