4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, but take a look at 3 seconds in that video Baun has lowered his shoulder and is dropping down while the guy is just finishing fighting forward. I'm not sure how you stop your momentum at that point. He had maybe a fraction of a second to peel off. You are right but at the same time it's pretty close to "bang bang".

Nah. It was a good call. The non-calls on grounding and McGlinchey's hold on Carter, OTOH, were egregious.

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Gotta blame Howie/Lurie too for the Patullo BS. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me every Fing time we go to the Super Bowl, shame on me.

Yeah and at this point the only real fix I see is letting KP make the plan and call the first half. He seems to do better at that and then let Hurts take over the 2nd half. He has a much better feel for things like the Barkley TD yesterday or the Rams game.

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He was down by contact before Baun hit him. If Baun simply pushed him down then I doubt they flag it

It's bang bang, but Baun delivering a forearm

blow to his noggen, they're going to flag that. Now the non flag for the intentional grounding, the Goedert non flag for interference twice with the one where they are at the 3 yard line is inexcusable.

Just now, just relax said:

Nah. It was a good call. The non-calls on grounding and McGlinchey's hold on Carter, OTOH, were egregious.

We'll disagree. I'm with Clay.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

It's bang bang, but Baun delivering a forearm

blow to his noggen, they're going to flag that. Now the non flag for the intentional grounding, the Goedert non flag for interference twice with the one where they are at the 3 yard line is inexcusable.

That's a better point for it than late hit.

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, but take a look at 3 seconds in that video Baun has lowered his shoulder and is dropping down while the guy is just finishing fighting forward. I'm not sure how you stop your momentum at that point. He had maybe a fraction of a second to peel off. You are right but at the same time it's pretty close to "bang bang".

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

It's bang bang, but Baun delivering a forearm

blow to his noggen, they're going to flag that. Now the non flag for the intentional grounding, the Goedert non flag for interference twice with the one where they are at the 3 yard line is inexcusable.

If he got up and somehow ran for the TD then it'd still not count since he was down

All Baun had to do was push him down instead of leading with his shoulder

After a few hours to reflect, I think there really is something about the play calling. The first drive was effective yesterday because it was balanced. At one point it was 4 rushes and 5 passes. I think there is something about the effectiveness of the first 15 or so scripted plays and the disaster that follows. The opposing team's D adjusts and the Eagles do not. It is especially exposed if the Eagles fall behind or are dealing with consistently poor field position.

4 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

After a few hours to reflect, I think there really is something about the play calling. The first drive was effective yesterday because it was balanced. At one point it was 4 rushes and 5 passes. I think there is something about the effectiveness of the first 15 or so scripted plays and the disaster that follows. The opposing team's D adjusts and the Eagles do not. It is especially exposed if the Eagles fall behind or are dealing with consistently poor field position.

Here is a question....how the hell is KP so lost when it comes to zone defenses? He is freaking clueless.

6 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

After a few hours to reflect, I think there really is something about the play calling. The first drive was effective yesterday because it was balanced. At one point it was 4 rushes and 5 passes. I think there is something about the effectiveness of the first 15 or so scripted plays and the disaster that follows. The opposing team's D adjusts and the Eagles do not. It is especially exposed if the Eagles fall behind or are dealing with consistently poor field position.

Thats not necessarily true because the Rams game was a 2nd half comeback where nothing was working in the 1st half, and then the passing game showed signs of life.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Here is a question....how the hell is KP so lost when it comes to zone defenses? He is freaking clueless.

Youre looking at the wrong guy...

16 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Gotta blame Howie/Lurie too for the Patullo BS. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me every Fing time we go to the Super Bowl, shame on me.

Don't think you can blame them on this one. Sirianni won a Super Bowl, he had to have won some kind of say on his coaching staff. Telling him "No, you can't hire that guy" would have been a slap in the face. And don't forget a lot of the best names had been hired at that point, so I don't know who they'd have hired even if it wasn't Patullo. The guy I wanted was Kubiak, but he went to Seattle early. This is one of the flip sides of winning a championship. You get your coaches plucked late and have fewer options to replace them. I think their biggest problem was not having enough young stud up and coming coaches on that staff already. Meanwhile they have plenty on the defensive side. How many organizations out there lose a key coach, promote from within, and are fine? Look at the Lions. But the Eagles always struggle. For an organization as good at building a staff as they are, they sure struggle to do it on offense.

25 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I trust this guy more than PFF.

Also, logically, can we stop pretending that 11 guys all got worse at the exact same time, and maybe - just maybe - put the totally unqualified OC (and his best buddy) at fault?

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Here is a question....how the hell is KP so lost when it comes to zone defenses? He is freaking clueless.

Honestly, I believe he is in over his head. The lack of counters and adaption to others teams strategies is very concerning. Playcalling decisions should be coming from a big picture perspective. There is a lot of benefit for seeing the progression of the play calling, where early plays are used to set up bigger options later. There is none of that right now.

There is a great psychological term that is associated with problem solving and decision making called "functional fixedness". It happens when the problem solver continues to see the problem from the same perspective thus using the same failing strategies over and over again. I think KP suffers from that...he either needs to learn to change his perspective in real time decision making or he needs to hear from a second or third voice. I think we are going to continue got see poor decision making until there is some kind of dramatic change.

26 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I trust this guy more than PFF.

Also, logically, can we stop pretending that 11 guys all got worse at the exact same time, and maybe - just maybe - put the totally unqualified OC (and his best buddy) at fault?

But Hurts was also sacked 6 times. How many of those are on the OL and how many are on Hurts?

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats not necessarily true because the Rams game was a 2nd half comeback where nothing was working in the 1st half, and then the passing game showed signs of life.

The Rams D never adjusted...

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Don't think you can blame them on this one. Sirianni won a Super Bowl, he had to have won some kind of say on his coaching staff. Telling him "No, you can't hire that guy" would have been a slap in the face. And don't forget a lot of the best names had been hired at that point, so I don't know who they'd have hired even if it wasn't Patullo. The guy I wanted was Kubiak, but he went to Seattle early. This is one of the flip sides of winning a championship. You get your coaches plucked late and have fewer options to replace them. I think their biggest problem was not having enough young stud up and coming coaches on that staff already. Meanwhile they have plenty on the defensive side. How many organizations out there lose a key coach, promote from within, and are fine? Look at the Lions. But the Eagles always struggle. For an organization as good at building a staff as they are, they sure struggle to do it on offense.

I can't remember who all they interviewed but seemed like they always wanted to hire internally instead of going outside

2 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

The Rams D never adjusted...

Oh wow. Interesting strategy

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

so I don't know who they'd have hired even if it wasn't Patullo

Frank Reich

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's right and it isn't. Here's the difference between this season and last season.

The players aren't playing as well, especially the OL. Guys are banged up, gotta hope they heal up as the season progresses. Dickerson probably misses TNF so he'll have 10 days to heal for the Vikings. The running game hasn't been nearly as good because of it in part. They have gone from best running game in the NFL to bottom 3. A drastic drop off. Not having that exacerbates your mediocre passing attack, which was mediocre last year as well, except without a great running game to play off of, it now has fallen from mediocre to bad. If they could get the running game back to 2024 levels, everything would fall into place. I think they came into the season expecting it to be there, have built the entire foundation of their team around it being there, and now that it's not have been sucker punched in the face by it and are still scrambling.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Frank Reich

Frank Reich was not good anywhere he's been since he left the Eagles in 2017. People need to let that name go. Whatever magic he had in 2017 is long gone. He's not the solution. Sirianni earned his choice of coach, but this is a problem with a CEO head coach, unfortunately. This is why every teams wants an offensive guru head coach. So they don't lose that great offensive minded OC when they have one to be a coach elsewhere. This will be a problem as long as Sirianni is here. And when they find their next great OC, he'll be hired away quickly too.

It's why I think their next OC needs to be a former head coach who failed, so they likely won't be hired away elsewhere. Like a Mike McDaniels. Or Kevin Stefanski(he didn't fail entirely he had some good years, but I could see him not being a head coach again for a while).

34 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, but take a look at 3 seconds in that video Baun has lowered his shoulder and is dropping down while the guy is just finishing fighting forward. I'm not sure how you stop your momentum at that point. He had maybe a fraction of a second to peel off. You are right but at the same time it's pretty close to "bang bang".

According to last week's refs...it shouldn't be a penalty....god I'm an angry individual today.

Hate to say it. But I think Eagles needed this loss yesterday to reset and make some key adjustments and self evaluate. They have alot to clean up and will learn from it. They are facing everyone's best right now and I think will improve by the end of year regarding young guys getting valuable reps and guys healing up hopefully with strategic rests for the most injured players or recovering from surgeries etc. Still see them as best team in the lot. Not invincible of course. But a great spot to be in.

Also want to see Howie get aggressive at deadline and maybe add with a couple veteran signings (Samuel, Simmons & Gilmore to name as a few possibilities). This should encourage Howie to seek some upgrades across the board. It's a championship window here first and foremost. This offseason, Howie was too draft pick thirsty. Still say he kind of screwed up by leaving things to too many young guys and unknowns. Need more vets. That's been the secret of Eagles teams the last few years, having a good balance of veteran leaders and young guys on the club. Been way too many mistakes. Mini bye week after Giants game and real bye week in a few weeks is going to be good for them for a reset and getting healthy.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Frank Reich was not good anywhere he's been since he left the Eagles in 2017. People need to let that name go. Whatever magic he had in 2017 is long gone. He's not the solution. Sirianni earned his choice of coach, but this is a problem with a CEO head coach, unfortunately. This is why every teams wants an offensive guru head coach. So they don't lose that great offensive minded OC when they have one to be a coach elsewhere. This will be a problem as long as Sirianni is here. And when they find their next great OC, he'll be hired away quickly too.

It's why I think their next OC needs to be a former head coach who failed, so they likely won't be hired away elsewhere. Like a Mike McDaniels. Or Kevin Stefanski(he didn't fail entirely he had some good years, but I could see him not being a head coach again for a while).

Need a career OC that has no plans of HC. Stop the revolving door

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not sure about yesterday but in previous weeks the schemes were not getting people open. Along that same line how could those good players do well the first half in man and then get lost in zone. The Broncos didn't get new players for the 2nd half. That's the OC not calling the right plays.

"Part of Barkley's decline can be attributed to the defenses he is facing this season. According to the NFL's Next Gen Stats, 32.47% of Barkley's carries are with eight or more defenders in the box. It was 20.58% last year. By contrast, Derrick Henry, who was second in the NFL with 1,921 yards rushing, had eight or more defenders in the box 33.23% of the time."

We've seen a significant increase in 8-man boxes from last year to this year. There's a reason for it, and it's because last year the pass game was efficient enough to keep that safety from walking down. By and large, DC's weren't as willing to get beat on shot plays through the air by selling out to stop the run, and the SB was exemplary of that pitfall. The volume still wasn't there throughout the season, which is why most fans complained about it for most games, but it was still efficient enough to create the needed space at the line for our OL to dominate. This year, that space just isn't there, and our OL aren't dominating like they were last year (due to injuries, or other reasons, etc).