21 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

He is OK at wrinkles, but he can't design plays against a zone defense, can't design plays on first down or 3rd down. With such awful play design that is historically predictable, it is not possible to be a good play caller. He is so bad that the only recourse he and Sirianni have is to defend how putrid his offense is by blaming the players for poor execution. They are low key throwing the players under the bus by saying the offense would be good if the players just executed better. Lousy play design, lousy coaching, lousy protection of the players.

The inability to scheme against zone is baffling, as that’s the litmus IMO for play design. Man is more often than not a talent vs scheme thing.

So Patullo deserves a bit of defense in that the Eagles can't run the ball and that's not his fault.

Kellen Moore started out slow and that was with an elite running game at his disposal. All he had to do was call one of like 4 run plays and the chances were good that it would be a huge gain or a touchdown.

Patullo hasn't had that. It makes it 100% harder when the offense is one dimensional.

So when he says they aren't executing he's right.

Beyond just the run game, we are seeing receivers jogging their routes. Unacceptable.

For those reasons I'm not laying this at Patullo's feet quite yet. Too easy of a conclusion when we have a lot of information indicating the problems go well beyond him

15 hours ago, mattwill said:

You are correct, the rent is due.

Or if you prefer …

I didn't realize there were twelve teams that have never won one. I thought it was just the Bills and Texans.

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Big picture, the NFL hustle culture is so stupid to me. Who gives a crap if you sleep 2-3 hrs a night if your offense is trash? Try being efficient, you dope.

When they start mentioning the long working hours, I always think back to the end of the Reid era here and how he constantly talked about how much time they were spending on the plays. You start to get into analysis paralysis and nothing works. I don't care how much time you spend working on something if you don't understand it, and it doesn't seem to be clicking for Patullo.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

So Patullo deserves a bit of defense in that the Eagles can't run the ball and that's not his fault.

What’s the deal with that anyway? I get the run blocking hasn’t been as good but why does it seem like the other backs can at least get a few yards while Saquon can’t get past the LOS?

You’d think even if Barkley lost a step from usage or was dinged he would have at least gotten lucky on a few runs.

2 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

What’s the deal with that anyway? I get the run blocking hasn’t been as good but why does it seem like the other backs can at least get a few yards while Saquon can’t get past the LOS?

You’d think even if Barkley lost a step from usage or was dinged he would have at least gotten lucky on a few runs.

IMO it's two things:

3/5 of the OL can't move right now. That doesn't even include Lane who is always dinged up.

And because of our OLs limited athleticism right now, teams are attacking downhill and getting into the backfield, and those negative plays are setting back the entire offense because they're not built that way

19 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Steen appeared to be at or barely past the 1 yard mark IMO, though the replay i saw it’s really hard to track the original LOS. I don’t blame the refs for throwing the flag to be honest if it was a remotely competently officiated game. I think things were just so inconsistent that it stands out as a just let them play and stop slowing the game down thing.

The marker for the ref seems to be covered/uncovered OL and if they are uncovered, they really can't move downfield and not be called.

1 hour ago, Vileborg said:

I think it's important to point out that Patullo is a good play designer.

12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

IMO it's two things:

3/5 of the OL can't move right now. That doesn't even include Lane who is always dinged up.

And because of our OLs limited athleticism right now, teams are attacking downhill and getting into the backfield, and those negative plays are setting back the entire offense because they're not built that way

There's one more thing... The Eagles offense is very predictable and telegraphing runs and passes so it makes it even harder since the O Line.

KP was gifted a Ferrari but doesn't know how to drive a stick.

43 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That sounds pretty wild, a RB wheel route vs man coverage doesn't exist?

I think what Barkley meant was that it wasn't in the game plan (i.e. the subset of the playbook that they expect to run for that week's opponent.) Not that it literally didn't exist as a play anywhere in the playbook. A third possibility is he meant it was in the playbook but they never really repped it under Patullo or was installed last season or something to that effect, but that seems far less likely.

Or I could be wrong and he was being literal, like a scenario where Hurts called a similar pass play but used the system verbiage to reassign routes individually thereby "drawing it up" on the fly and basically going rogue, but that takes more time and is super risky if everyone isn't on the same page with their assignments.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Parullo: we are successful 20% of the time. We are historically bad 80% of the time. We are doing great!

54 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

The shovel passes and the fake tush push were good. That’s 3 of 12 RZ TD’s. Hurts had 2 hero moment scrambles against Dallas, 2 tush pushes, Saquon had a few big boy runs in the RZ. IIRC AJ’s TD was on a scramble drill. Outside of that I’d need to see the rest. I think Smith’s RZ TD was off a nicely designed rub.

They got that from the Deshaun Watson playbook.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

He is OK at wrinkles, but he can't design plays against a zone defense, can't design plays on first down or 3rd down. With such awful play design that is historically predictable, it is not possible to be a good play caller. He is so bad that the only recourse he and Sirianni have is to defend how putrid his offense is by blaming the players for poor execution. They are low key throwing the players under the bus by saying the offense would be good if the players just executed better. Lousy play design, lousy coaching, lousy protection of the players.

This isn't to defend Patullo at all but player execution definitely factors into the offensive problems. Everyone can see the offensive line is struggling . Even with injuries, they aren't playing at a level they are capable of. The skill players are all veterans but there has been multiple times two are running to the same exact spot on the field. No coach is drawing up a play for that to happen. There's been bad situational football on returns. There's been tons of presnap penalties.

The entire offense is made up of NFL veterans. If it was the inverse of the defense, a lot of young 1 to 3 year guys, some of it would be more understandable. But they have all played for a good bit and should be better at executing.

Yes it's a short week but I don't want any excuses. They are allowed to have a stinker when you've won 20 of the last 21 games so I'm over the Broncos loss. Just take care of the GMen. Yes there isn't much tape on Dart but he's still a rookie. Get it done.

49 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

The inability to scheme against zone is baffling, as that’s the litmus IMO for play design. Man is more often than not a talent vs scheme thing.

Yup - man coverage requires less reads if you're confident that AJ/Smitty/Goedert can beat their guy. Zone coverage? You're covered, then open, then covered again... so not only does the play have to be good, but the QB has find the part of the play that is working. It goes with the job.

19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I think what Barkley meant was that it wasn't in the game plan (i.e. the subset of the playbook that they expect to run for that week's opponent.) Not that it literally didn't exist as a play anywhere in the playbook. A third possibility is he meant it was in the playbook but they never really repped it under Patullo or was installed last season or something to that effect, but that seems far less likely.

Or I could be wrong and he was being literal, like a scenario where Hurts called a similar pass play but used the system verbiage to reassign routes individually thereby "drawing it up" on the fly and basically going rogue, but that takes more time and is super risky if everyone isn't on the same page with their assignments.

It would be pretty concerning if it wasn't in the game plan. It's not a secret the way to attack the Broncos is the LB'ers and getting Alex f'ing Singleton on Barkley is a win.

Also, wasn't Barkleys first TD as an Eagle last year a wheel route?

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

It would be pretty concerning if it wasn't in the game plan.

The other scenarios are even more concerning imo, but we've already seen lots of concerning things unfold during the games and upon review. So gun to my head, I'm guessing that's most likely what Barkley meant but who knows.

What a time to be alive….

1 hour ago, Vileborg said:

I didn't realize there were twelve teams that have never won one. I thought it was just the Bills and Texans.

Lions and (Cle) Browns have never even played in a Super Bowl.

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It would be pretty concerning if it wasn't in the game plan. It's not a secret the way to attack the Broncos is the LB'ers and getting Alex f'ing Singleton on Barkley is a win.

Also, wasn't Barkleys first TD as an Eagle last year a wheel route?

It was... to the opposite side.

The Giants are an inferior opponent. There's no need to rush Dean back for this game, especially on the MetLife turf. Let him rest one more week.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

So Patullo deserves a bit of defense in that the Eagles can't run the ball and that's not his fault.

Kellen Moore started out slow and that was with an elite running game at his disposal. All he had to do was call one of like 4 run plays and the chances were good that it would be a huge gain or a touchdown.

Patullo hasn't had that. It makes it 100% harder when the offense is one dimensional.

So when he says they aren't executing he's right.

Beyond just the run game, we are seeing receivers jogging their routes. Unacceptable.

For those reasons I'm not laying this at Patullo's feet quite yet. Too easy of a conclusion when we have a lot of information indicating the problems go well beyond him

He deserves a lot of the blame. There was a stat the other day where when they line up in shotgun they pass 80% of the time and when they oine up under center they run 90% of the time. They completely telegraph to the defense if they are running or passing. Doesn't help either that nearly every run is to the interior of the line where the Eagles are weakest this season. Hardly anything outside.

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I think he’s still struggling with the information overload between plays, calls are coming late and very little time to adjust protection, routes, motion. A game or 2 in the booth might do him some good to have a Birds Eye view. Unfortunately film review only goes so far in the heat of the moment/in game with adjusting. I just don’t understand running their heads into walls continually though. It’s clearly not working but the same things are being called continually. They give Hurts a lot of freedom, but not enough time to adjust.

yup...I still think it would be helpful to move KP to the press box and change his perspective. He could be surrounded by a couple of other people to share observations. I would then let the QB coach handle the communication with Hurts on the sideline in coordination with KP.

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