57 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

100%, this game was on the D

The Eagles turned the ball over twice on offense and what was their 3rd down conversion rate?

No way you can absolve EITHER side of the ball for that game. It was a complete team effort. Both sides sucked horribly. And that's how you end up losing by 17 to a crappy Giants team.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Eagles turned the ball over twice on offense and what was third 3rd down conversion rate?

1 of 9.

Eagles rank 27th in 3rd down conversions this season. While TOP as a whole is not an issue, it is the lack of 2nd half 3rd down conversions. The defense is rarely getting an extended rest in the second half.

17 minutes ago, CTEagles said:

we cannot do crap in the second half of games, wtf...why is this such a problem!?

Lack of fiber in the first half.

Good thing we have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on deck with a hurt Quinyon Mitchell

58 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All of that’s true. But what I was referring to is there’s something wrong with the psyche/attitude/vibe in the locker room. All the beats said even at 4-0 the post game locker room has always had this dark cloud of energy this year. I don’t know if it’s a SB hangover or they just have no confidence in coaching or this team. On the field, no one looks like they are having a good time and it’s starting to look like they are just going through the motions.

I'm beating this dead horse but a bunch of us said this during the 4-0

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Good thing we have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on deck with a hurt Quinyon Mitchell

The talking heads, fans on MB's are going to be brutal for the next 9 days. Imagine what it will be like if the Carson Wentz led Minnesota Vikings beat the Eagles, and dominate like the Giants did last night.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good thing we have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on deck with a hurt Quinyon Mitchell

Exactly what I was hinting at last night. Despite below average receivers, the Giants still had their way against our starting CB's....and we have zero depth.

How do you go into a season knowing this? One guy goes down and all of a sudden you have among the worst starting CB's in the NFL. They knew this was an issue weeks into camp and it was evident after the pre-season.

This is something I was worried about since he was drafted and said throughout the offseason I really worry about him on quick twitch WRs. Anyone who watched him in college knows he's stiff hipped. Howie really let Fangio down here.

1 minute ago, Lambo said:

The talking heads, fans on MB's are going to be brutal for the next 9 days. Imagine what it will be like if the Carson Wentz led Minnesota Vikings beat the Eagles, and dominate like the Giants did last night.

Honestly, it's not hard to imagine. Vikings defense is no slouch. If we have to trot Ringo and Jackson out there as starters, it could get ugly fast.

Every team has weaknesses and strengths. It's on the staff to mask the weaknesses and elevate the strengths. This game went about as bad as we've been saying it could go. OC play calling was garbage. I'm so tired of seeing Saquon running into 8 man fronts on 1st and 2nd down. I'm not a fan of RPO but at least it's not this vanilla predictable garbage.

Carter and Q being out at the same time was just too much but we weren't winning with only 17 points. The defense made some key stops to try to give us a chance to answer the bell, but, it was clear, we're one dimensional and predictable on offense right now.

We're not going to win a super bowl every year. I'm grateful for last year but they don't have much of a shot this year without at least attempting to make a change.

I feel like our major flaw is OC and it's unrecoverable without a replacement. We have some issues on defense but we can adjust and mask or develop the players to improve those. OC is an unrecoverable spin at the this point and the ship is going down.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Our run blocking has been atrocious but pass blocking has been doing a decent job

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Got worked on those T-E stunts, but Jalen had time in neutral situations. Gotta speed up the clock ideally through recognition or cut bait and run.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good thing we have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on deck with a hurt Quinyon Mitchell

We've had trash secondary before but were able to get pressure to the QB to counter it

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Exactly what I was hinting at last night. Despite below average receivers, the Giants still had their way against our starting CB's....and we have zero depth.

How do you go into a season knowing this? One guy goes down and all of a sudden you have among the worst starting CB's in the NFL. They knew this was an issue weeks into camp and it was evident after the pre-season.

Add to that, a rookie QB, making his 3rd NFL start, had his way against our staring CB's with Lil Jordan Humphrey, Wandale Robinson and Jalin Hyatt as his top options.

Imagine what Jaxson Dart may have done if he had AJ Brown, Devonta Smith and Dallas Goedert as his top 3 options.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Our run blocking has been atrocious but pass blocking has been doing a decent job

We can’t blow teams off the ball, so I’m wondering if Jurgens can still move for some pin and pull outside runs, use the TEs on wham blocks to cut off the pursuing backside DEs, use Latu as a FB… essentially scheming up angles in the run game.

I mean WAS is doing triple option.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Honestly, it's not hard to imagine. Vikings defense is no slouch. If we have to trot Ringo and Jackson out there as starters, it could get ugly fast.

In 3 games with Carson Wentz as the starter, Justin Jefferson has 22 catches for 324 yards.

AJ Brown has 25 catches for for 274 yards in 6 games.

If Jefferson gets his, and the Vikings dominate, heck, even win a close game, it will be Armageddon.

They are going to get one hell of a fine

I'm not sure in what universe you lose both Slay and Rodgers in the offseason - sign Jackson and say, "We're fine there". What kind of spell was Howie under?

I was losing my mind over not (at least) bringing Rodgers back at the time and when I found out what he signed for - I nearly had a meltdown. Obviously most fans and myself were correct thinking that it was a monumental mistake and it clearly has been. So extremely disappointing.

2 minutes ago, Lambo said:

In 3 games with Carson Wentz as the starter, Justin Jefferson has 22 catches for 324 yards.

AJ Brown has 25 catches for for 274 yards in 6 games.

If Jefferson gets his, and the Vikings dominate, heck, even win a close game, it will be Armageddon.

This is priming up to be the "Carson Wentz revenge game". And if Mitchell is still out and this team plays the way it has been, it surely will be. Get ready for Tatergeddon.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good thing we have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on deck with a hurt Quinyon Mitchell

Adoree wasnt that bad in coverage but man he has zero desire to make a tackle, he makes deion sanders look like ronnie lott.

Ringo was atrocious, he just never has any idea about what to do with the ball in the air, I mean I guess give him props for being near the WR at the catch point instead of trailing 5 yards but wow his lack of awareness is just next level bad, his tackling was a bit better especially compared to adoree but even then not good enough

44 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

As LM said it's cumulative. If you don’t think on top of their issues they ate physically worn down I'm not sure what to tell you.

100% on the D is a bad take. They didn't miss a wide open Smith. They didn't throw behind the WR missing a wide open Brown for almost a pick 6.

Sorry, I was doing too many things at one time. The bad game was the Broncos game which was last week and then the Bucs game was a few minutes more of TOP for the Bucs. So over the last few weeks the D has been on the field a lot and some amount of getting worn down has no doubt occurred.

However, the D still should have been able to deal with the Giants. A rookie QB playing his 3rd game, crappy line, no WRs worth mentioning (one guy from their practice squad), and no TEs worth a damn. They do have a decent rookie RB but he is far from great. 17 points should have been enough to beat them. Instead we get torched for 172yds rushing, create no turnovers, and let the Giants go 11-16 on 3rd down. I saw at least four or five times where guys just didn't even want any part of tackling the ball carrier. It was a horrible display.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure in what universe you lose both Slay and Rodgers in the offseason - sign Jackson and say, "We're fine there". What kind of spell was Howie under?

I was losing my mind over not (at least) bringing Rodgers back at the time and when I found out what he signed for - I nearly had a meltdown. Obviously most fans and myself were correct thinking that it was a monumental mistake and it clearly has been. So extremely disappointing.

I never saw Rodgers as being very good. The best thing that could be said about him is he wasn't a liability as depth. I don't think he's starting CB material when all is said and done. The issue is Adoree Jackson stinks, and he has stunk everywhere he's been. The Giants had him, so they knew very well to attack him.

The issue is compounded when Ringo is out there with him. Eagles fans get attached to some players in strange ways; Ringo can't play in the NFL -- he's clearly not good enough and has had ample time to improve. It's not gonna happen.

The Eagles just aren't as talented as they were last season and they're making lots of mistakes. Hurts missed an easy TD to Smith, threw a terrible ball behind Dotson for an INT which could easily have been returned for a pick-six, and had a brain cramp at the end of the first half which might have taken points off the board. You can't blame the OC for any of those gaffes.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure in what universe you lose both Slay and Rodgers in the offseason - sign Jackson and say, "We're fine there". What kind of spell was Howie under?

I was losing my mind over not (at least) bringing Rodgers back at the time and when I found out what he signed for - I nearly had a meltdown. Obviously most fans and myself were correct thinking that it was a monumental mistake and it clearly has been. So extremely disappointing.

Yup one cant seriously expect to compete for another super bowl with ringo or adoree as starters

Maybe this eagles tem was right, theyre not defending their super bowl☹️