9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Perfect example of how pathetic the D was last night against a very bad O.

56 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

As LM said it's cumulative. If you don’t think on top of their issues they ate physically worn down I'm not sure what to tell you.

100% on the D is a bad take. They didn't miss a wide open Smith. They didn't throw behind the WR missing a wide open Brown for almost a pick 6.

I said that last night, I think 2024 is directly affecting 2025 in a major way. I think a big reason they look lifeless and are getting bullied is because physically a lot of them don't have it. How many guys now have we heard from who either say they still aren't healthy or didn't start feeling healthy after last season until the late summer? It's a lot. I think it's affecting a lot of key players. If those guys aren't the same it affects everything. Combine that with Howie having a bad offseason and the roster getting worse and the coaching doing a worse job, and all of a sudden things can snowball to look a lot worse really quickly. Every game they look like they just played a 5 hour football game the day before. They look slow, less physical, worn down.

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Eagles turned the ball over twice on offense and what was their 3rd down conversion rate?

No way you can absolve EITHER side of the ball for that game. It was a complete team effort. Both sides sucked horribly. And that's how you end up losing by 17 to a crappy Giants team.

Looking through the play by plays, the Eagles have not converted a second half 3rd down attempt since the 3rd quarter of the Bucs game, and that was a Barkley run.

The Eagles have not converted a second half 3rd down attempt via the pass since the 4th quarter of the Rams game.

3 consecutive games, 7 consecutive quarters since the Eagles converted a second half 3rd down with a pass.

38 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Eagles turned the ball over twice on offense and what was their 3rd down conversion rate?

No way you can absolve EITHER side of the ball for that game. It was a complete team effort. Both sides sucked horribly. And that's how you end up losing by 17 to a crappy Giants team.

I don't want to absolve the O but the D was playing against a really bad opponent while the O had a solid opponent to deal with. The O was really good in the 1st half and yet we were still down and the D simply got destroyed by a rookie QB/RB and a bunch of total jags and backups.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I never saw Rodgers as being very good. The best thing that could be said about him is he wasn't a liability as depth. I don't think he's starting CB material when all is said and done. The issue is Adoree Jackson stinks, and he has stunk everywhere he's been. The Giants had him, so they knew very well to attack him.

The issue is compounded when Ringo is out there with him. Eagles fans get attached to some players in strange ways; Ringo can't play in the NFL -- he's clearly not good enough and has had ample time to improve. It's not gonna happen.

The Eagles just aren't as talented as they were last season and they're making lots of mistakes. Hurts missed an easy TD to Smith, threw a terrible ball behind Dotson for an INT which could easily have been returned for a pick-six, and had a brain cramp at the end of the first half which might have taken points off the board. You can't blame the OC for any of those gaffes.

Well obviously you were wrong about Rodgers and are still wrong about him - considering the fact he's having an all-pro season.

Rodgers had ONE BAD PLAY against the Rams and some fans bailed on him. Tunnel visioned fans who remember the one bad play vs the dozen exceptional plays a player makes and how that player plays on a consistent basis.

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good thing we have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on deck with a hurt Quinyon Mitchell

Hopefully Wentz will hold the ball for 10 seconds to give our pass rush time to get him.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I don't want to absolve the O but the D was playing against a really bad opponent while the O had a solid opponent to deal. The O was really good in the 1st half and yet we were still down and the D simply got destroyed by a rookie QB/RB and a bunch of total jags and backups.

To be fair we had a large contingent of rookies, JAGs, has beens and never weres out there.

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Perfect example of how pathetic the D was last night against a very bad O.

Don't get me wrong. The Defense was horrible. But it was a complete team failure. The Offense was also bad against a pretty bad D. Half the drives were 4 plays or less and the third down conversion rate was offensive. ST's were also awful. It was all just one giant pile of ish.

Time to get Justin Simmons and Gilmore yet?

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

To be fair we had a large contingent of rookies, JAGs, has beens and never weres out there.

Davis, Baun, Mitchell, DeJean, Hunt, Smith, Ojomo, and Blankenship are all really good players or at least are supposed to be really good players. We are supposed to be a top 10 D at least. The Giants O is one of the worst in the league.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s spreading to the defense too. They all looked pretty passionless last night. There is something very off with this team. It’s certainly not lack of talent.

It is. I'd question if some of the leaders on the team want to do real leadership vs the superficial rah rah leadership that works when all is well.

Perhaps its where the loss of the likes of BG and Kelce is being felt, on what is a young team. Who is going to step up as a peer and be the contrarian git? On the D, I don't see necessarily see anyone. Perhaps why Jalen Carter still has his moments.

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good thing we have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison on deck with a hurt Quinyon Mitchell

I'm more worried about Little Boy Johnson or whatever the guys name was from last night when they play the Giants again in 2 weeks!!

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Don't get me wrong. The Defense was horrible. But it was a complete team failure. The Offense was also bad against a pretty bad D. Half the drives were 4 plays or less and the third down conversion rate was offensive. ST's were also awful. It was all just one giant pile of ish.

Absolutely, but the level of competition faced by the O last night was FAR FAR better than the level faced by the D. I really don't want to give the O a free pass here because they weren't good enough but the play of the D was inexcusable.

Hurts had AJ wide open for a td on that interception. Idiot can’t see a field to save his life. One read, panic qb. It’s terrible

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Zack Baun was one of the worst players on the field last night.

I know some are freaking out about the Tush Push after last night because they did it 4 straight times. How many times have they done that? Far as I know, that was the first.

I don't know if it was discussed last night on here but I feel they did that to give a big F YOU to the NFL in a primetime game.

I highly doubt they would run it 4 times straight again.

3 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

It is. I'd question if some of the leaders on the team want to do real leadership vs the superficial rah rah leadership that works when all is well.

Perhaps its where the loss of the likes of BG and Kelce is being felt, on what is a young team. Who is going to step up as a peer and be the contrarian git? On the D, I don't see necessarily see anyone. Perhaps why Jalen Carter still has his moments.

It's almost gotta be Baun. There's no one else that has the experience and impact that he carries. Problem is he seems like too nice of a dude. Maybe he doesn't have that side to get in someones face when needed.

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19 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Well obviously you were wrong about Rodgers and are still wrong about him - considering the fact he's having an all-pro season.

Rodgers had ONE BAD PLAY against the Rams and some fans bailed on him. Tunnel visioned fans who remember the one bad play vs the dozen exceptional plays a player makes and how that player plays on a consistent basis.

Nobody's having an All-Pro season after 5 games. He's made one INT and a fumble recovery; good for him. Over the course of a 17-game season, his performance will settle to his career average. He's never been a starter despite being around since 2020. He's had a really good start to the season. It won't last. He's not physically big or fast enough to be a solid starting NFL boundary CB.

This team has to be one of the most top-loaded teams in the league, meaning when they lose one player on offense or defense everything goes to crap. No Carter or Mitchell on D last night, and they totally imploded. We've seen what happens to this offense when AJ goes out and it looks like they couldn't move the ball against a high school defense. This doesn't happen with most teams.

Not one of the bigger things from last night, but I heard it brought up elsewhere... why is AJ Dillon RB2 now instead of Shipley? Shipley at least gives you a little juice. Hell, why is AJ Dillon even on this team. They traded for Bigsby, use him as a RB.

Nothing the coaching is doing makes sense.

They are playing AJ Dillon. They had this weird aversion to Ojulari so naturally the first game he plays, he gets a sack. They didn't use a 6th OL to block and keep throwing Calcaterra out there to block every week.

Like, what the F is going on down there with this coaching staff?

27 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure in what universe you lose both Slay and Rodgers in the offseason - sign Jackson and say, "We're fine there". What kind of spell was Howie under?

I was losing my mind over not (at least) bringing Rodgers back at the time and when I found out what he signed for - I nearly had a meltdown. Obviously most fans and myself were correct thinking that it was a monumental mistake and it clearly has been. So extremely disappointing.

The high of the SB win and the team Howie had just built created this buffer zone for Howie to do as he pleased and for us to say he can do no wrong. It's OK guys, they are saving money to Sign Jalen Carter. It's OK, they need to brig back Nolan. If they sign Rodgers and Becton to team friend 1-year deals it's going to handcuff them!

As of today, the Eagles are sitting at $14.5 million in cap space.

From my basic research, it looks like Ojulari, Uche, Granson, Z. Smith, Dillon cost the Eagles nearly $12 million in 2025 cap space.

Becton and Rodgers combined 2025 cap hit is just about $10 million.

They could EASILY brought back both Becton and Rodgers on 1-year deals instead of all these crap 1-year deals on other vets.

Letting SB Champion players walk for next to nothing who all played important roles and created holes on the current roster is one of the most inexcusable things Howie has done.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nobody's having an All-Pro season after 5 games. He's made one INT and a fumble recovery; good for him. Over the course of a 17-game season, his performance will settle to his career average. He's never been a starter despite being around since 2020. He's had a really good start to the season. It won't last. He's not physically big or fast enough to be a solid starting NFL boundary CB.

What are you talking about? You obviously don’t know what type of player he is. He’s among the FASTER CB’s in the NFL lol. Already clocked at 23.3 mph this season. He’s a ball Hawk and has become a shutdown corner in Minnesota.

Don’t worry, you’ll get to see him live in a couple of weeks.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

What are you talking about? You obviously don’t know what type of player he is. He’s among the FASTER CB’s in the NFL lol. Already clocked at 23.3 mph this season. He’s a ball Hawk and has become a shutdown corner in Minnesota.

Don’t worry, you’ll get to see him live in a couple of weeks.

I am curious to know what an all pro season looks like if this is not it

• Receptions allowed: 5

• Receiving yards allowed: 48

• Targets: 12

• Touchdowns allowed: 0

• Opponent passer rating: 18.8

29 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Sorry, I was doing too many things at one time. The bad game was the Broncos game which was last week and then the Bucs game was a few minutes more of TOP for the Bucs. So over the last few weeks the D has been on the field a lot and some amount of getting worn down has no doubt occurred.

However, the D still should have been able to deal with the Giants. A rookie QB playing his 3rd game, crappy line, no WRs worth mentioning (one guy from their practice squad), and no TEs worth a damn. They do have a decent rookie RB but he is far from great. 17 points should have been enough to beat them. Instead we get torched for 172yds rushing, create no turnovers, and let the Giants go 11-16 on 3rd down. I saw at least four or five times where guys just didn't even want any part of tackling the ball carrier. It was a horrible display.

We totally agree the D should have been able to handle them. Take out the best player on the DL and CB and they still shouldn't have looked that bad. Davis was playing well and has dropped off. The only thing I can think, which isn't an excuse, is they are wearing down. 4 days after being on the field that much against a physical Denver team is the only thing that makes sense to being pushed around that much.