8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Maybe Lurie and Howie should learn from their mistakes and not let Nick hire his buddies to cosplay as offensive coordinators. It worked with Steichen but this is now two times where he has promoted one of his buddies from within and it has been an abject failure. It's funny how last season when they went outside of the organization and Howie hired someone they won a SB and put up an insane amount of points in the NFCCG and SB. They have a mini bye right now and should fire Patullo today but we all know that isn't going to happen.

Ignoring details like timing makes your whole argument rather silly

And SB teams always get brain drained. We went twice in 3 years so its been even worse

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Maybe Lurie and Howie should learn from their mistakes and not let Nick hire his buddies to cosplay as offensive coordinators. It worked with Steichen but this is now two times where he has promoted one of his buddies from within and it has been an abject failure. It's funny how last season when they went outside of the organization and Howie hired someone they won a SB and put up an insane amount of points in the NFCCG and SB. They have a mini bye right now and should fire Patullo today but we all know that isn't going to happen.

He won a Super Bowl he earned some say in his coaching staff. It is what it is. Also all the top OC names were hired by the time Moore got the NO job.

And they aren't going to fire him midway through the season. Who is going to be the OC? Parks Frazier? Scot Loeffler? Then who would be passing game coordinator or QB coach?

And do you think if they fired him that suddenly the next week everything would look different? They'd just be promoting another guy Sirianni hand picked. And they had firing a coordinator mid season backfire in 2023. I think they will be riding out the season with Patullo and there's far more going on than just Patullo.

If things go like this the next 2 games, I'm open to the idea of giving McKee a shot. Let's see if he gives the offense a spark.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Ignoring details like timing makes your whole argument rather silly

And SB teams always get brain drained. We went twice in 3 years so its been even worse

I'm not ignoring anything. You are making excuses. When your choice happens to be a moron who can't do the job at even an average level you are simply not good at identifying someone who is qualified for a job. There were plenty of people who questioned the decision at the time and they hired a guy with no NFL play calling experience because he was Nick's boy. Who could have possibly seen this being a problem.

What happened in the first drive where Barkley played 2 snaps and then comes out of the game? I get he had 2 big runs, but its the first 2 plays of the game and hes taking himself out. 1st down at the Giants 29 yard line, Patullo then dials up a AJ Dillon inside run for 2 yards and a bizarre QB run where they've instructed the QB to not take hits and slide immediately for a 2 yard loss. 3rd & 10, Hurts quickly throws the ball to Goedert running a 4 yard in route whos immediately tackled?

What was that?

34 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Did some thinking last night and this morning about this current Eagles team. Something I'm not seeing enough discussion about is one Howard Roseman. Is the best GM in the NFL, probably. Did he have one of his worst offseasons since he came back from the broom closet, without a doubt. Let's take a look at some of Howie's decisions and how they are effecting this team in a negative way.

I won't even get on him for letting Milton Williams and Josh Sweat walk for the money they got. However, their young internal options that they expected to replace them have not stepped up. That is more on the players themselves but still worth noting. Jalyx Hunt has real potential but he is still a 3rd round project in his second year. Being a 4th pass rusher and having a good couple of games in the playoffs is a lot different than being a full time starter. Nolan Smith is awesome but has trouble staying healthy. Moro Ojomo is a 4th DT, not a starter or 3rd guy. Also Azeez Ojulari was a massive swing and miss. This is one area I won't crucify Howie for, but he certainly didn't do well here.

Letting Becton go for what was pretty much a bargain contract for a stud OG has been a mistake. Steen has been fine, but when Dickerson is banged up/injured all year and Lane has also missed some time, it sure would be nice to have a stud at RG as opposed to a guy who is just decent.

Trading a 5th and 6th round pick for Tank Bigsby has been a disaster. Yeah it's a 5th and 6th round pick but it's a waste of assets. I said at the time if they were bringing him in just to be a KR it was a puzzling move for that price, and that they had to see him as an upgraded at backup RB as well. He has gone on to be 4th on the depth chart at RB and be a bad kick returner. Total failure of a move that was puzzling at the time.

Two words - Kevin Patullo.

Now to the biggest mistake of the off-season BY FAR. Trusting in a guy in Ringo who obviously just isn't good, and a washed up Adore Jackson to replace Slay / Rodgers. This was just a complete and total miscalculation and F up. Ringo/Jackson have been a disaster, and Rodgers has been awesome in Minnesota and would have at the very least been a very solid starter here. When you pair the lack of pass rush with this the defense has taken a MAJOR hit.

I want to be very clear and not be like the guys who have fetishes for 6'6 250 pound white guys and go way too far and trash Roseman. Howie is till probably the best GM in the NFL but it is also fair to be critical of him or anyone else and the fact of the matter is that Howie had a bad off-season and it is really effecting this team. This is something that isn't being discussed enough. Coaching is a major issue. Injuries have been an issue. Something is also just off with the offense and I have a feeling that things in the locker room are really bad and effecting what's happening on the field. That being said, Howie might just be most to blame for what is going on with this team and whether people want to admit that or not it's quite clear.

All they had to was resign Milton Williams, Becton and Rodgers. And we run this back. On Howie getting these 3 done at some point. 2 of them ended up being bargains. Just like he secured Jurgens early. Needed to do that for Milton. Assumed they low balled him after season 3. And never could recover in negotiations. Said all along too many peeps were crowning Ojomo and the potential 3rd round pick ( in DT heavy draft) that was upcoming. Superbowl team. Got too cute!!

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He won a Super Bowl he earned some say in his coaching staff. It is what it is. Also all the top OC names were hired by the time Moore got the NO job.

And they aren't going to fire him midway through the season. Who is going to be the OC? Parks Frazier? Scot Loeffler? Then who would be passing game coordinator or QB coach?

And do you think if they fired him that suddenly the next week everything would look different? They'd just be promoting another guy Sirianni hand picked. And they had firing a coordinator mid season backfire in 2023. I think they will be riding out the season with Patullo and there's far more going on than just Patullo.

See above in regards to your first comment. It's nothing more than an excuse.

Also, are there are other problems with team, roster, etc? Absolutely. Is Patullo the biggest problem though? Absolutely. Myself and others have pointed out how horrendous he is at his job since week one and throughout their 4-0 start. Sadly he has gotten worse if anything. Prime example, the guy went from running the ball way too much the first four games, to giviing Saquon one carry in the 2nd half of a game that they had a big lead in. He doesn't have any feel for the game when it comes to the most basic ideas behind play calling. Don't even get me started how basic and vanilla the offense is and if one person says it's because of Hurts they are a fraud. Hurts has his flaws but those flaws have nothing to do with the OC being able to design plays that disguise things, present motion, fakes, designed rollouts to the QB, etc. They literally run a pre-season offense in the regular season and expect it to work.

6 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

If things go like this the next 2 games, I'm open to the idea of giving McKee a shot. Let's see if he gives the offense a spark.

This is weird. The reigning Super Bowl MVP is not getting benched.

Patullo is the first thing that will change on this offense.

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Ignoring details like timing makes your whole argument rather silly

And SB teams always get brain drained. We went twice in 3 years so its been even worse

Timing matters but that doesn't mean nobody in the NFL or college ranks was better than who Nick picked. He went with easy and someone who supports his system. Andy calls the plays and can promote anyone he wants because he is a master of offensive philosophy at this point. Nick isn't. He can't go with someone who doesn't have experience. Reich was out there.

They hired KP, I'm guessing, because they didn't have the time to vet out an outside Offensive Coach to possibly be their OC. So they hired from within, again, and again, the results suck.

I call BS that Siri, because he won a SB, earns some say in who gets hired. Hell, this Org fired Doug P after what, 2 years from winning them their 1st ever SB??

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

All they had to was resign Milton Williams, Becton and Rodgers. And we rub this back.on Howie getting tense 3 done at some point. Just like he secured Jurgens early. Need to do that for Milton. Assumed they low balled him after season 3. And never could recover in negotiations.

I would go one step further and say had they just brought back Becton and Rodgers and hired even an average OC they would be in a much better situation than they currently find themselves in. The problems on this team are simple.

1 minute ago, LacesOut said:

They hired KP, I'm guessing, because they didn't have the time to vet out an outside Offensive Coach to possibly be their OC. So they hired from within, again, and again, the results suck.

I call BS that Siri, because he won a SB, earns some say in who gets hired. Hell, this Org fired Doug P after what, 2 years from winning them their 1st ever SB??

Frank was out there

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

I would go one step further and say had they just brought back Becton and Rodgers and hired even an average OC they would be in a much better situation than they currently find themselves in. The problems on this team are simple.

Yes. But too many peeps in here stated that Jalen Carter would make Ojomo so much better. No. Milton & Jalen were a lethal combo you just don't split up.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

NO ONE played well. Not one.

🤣 I read this in my head in Alan's voice from the Hangover II wedding rehearsal speech...

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I would go one step further and say had they just brought back Becton and Rodgers and hired even an average OC they would be in a much better situation than they currently find themselves in. The problems on this team are simple.

Frank was out there. An obvious choice.

15 million on those two absolutely fixes some big problems on the team and would have let Steen fill in for LD over Toth.

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Yes. But too many peeps in here stated that Jalen Carter would make Ojomo so much better. No. Milton & Jalen were a lethal combo you just don't split up.

Carter has been hurt all year. If he wasn't that might still be true

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

This is exactly what I meant when I said that Patullo's offense is a pre-season offense with zero innovation, disguises, etc. By simply running that same play that they ran 4 times in the game to the opposite side a couple of times you give the defense a different look and give the offense a better chance to execute. These are little things that a HS coach is aware of, let alone an NFL coach. I also say coach because as much as Patullo is a moron who is in way over his head Nick still has a big part of the design of this offense and should not be let off the hook. Nick is at his best when he is a CEO and has as little to do with the offense as possible. There was obviously some push and pull throughout the year but it's not a coincidence that when they hired outside of the organization to run their offense we won a SB and went off offensively in the playoffs.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

See above in regards to your first comment. It's nothing more than an excuse.

Also, are there are other problems with team, roster, etc? Absolutely. Is Patullo the biggest problem though? Absolutely. Myself and others have pointed out how horrendous he is at his job since week one and throughout their 4-0 start. Sadly he has gotten worse if anything. Prime example, the guy went from running the ball way too much the first four games, to giviing Saquon one carry in the 2nd half of a game that they had a big lead in. He doesn't have any feel for the game when it comes to the most basic ideas behind play calling. Don't even get me started how basic and vanilla the offense is and if one person says it's because of Hurts they are a fraud. Hurts has his flaws but those flaws have nothing to do with the OC being able to design plays that disguise things, present motion, fakes, designed rollouts to the QB, etc. They literally run a pre-season offense in the regular season and expect it to work.

It's not an excuse, it's reality. What you wanted just isn't realistic. Lurie isn't going to tell a coach who just won a Super Bowl "No" when he wants to promote his choice for OC. Not to mention there were no big names available as they were all hired. He's not the biggest problem. An OC of a team with an offensive head coach is never going to be the main problem. Sirianni is a bigger problem. He should have stepped in and corrected some of these issues. He's an offensive guy. If he can't do that, what use is he? If he's of no use to this team other than speeches and throwing challenge flags on Sundays then that's a bigger problem than the OC. Health is a bigger issue than the OC. Many guys are not playing up to their standard. The entire OL isn't playing well. Guys are making key mistakes every week. The defense just got mauled last night by a bad offense missing key guys.

You've just chosen to target the low hanging fruit and pile on. He's one of many issues, but not the biggest.

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Yes. But too many peeps in here stated that Jalen Carter would make Ojomo so much better. No. Milton & Jalen were a lethal combo you just don't split up.

I thought that as well and I was wrong.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Carter has been hurt all year. If he wasn't that might still be true

True. But I think people blew off Williams here based on Carter carrying him. I think they carried each other and lethal as a combo. And has done well as top dog in New England. Moro Ojomo is not a top dog. Or even close.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

True. But I think people blew off Williams here based on Carter carrying him. I think they carried each other and lethal as a combo. And has done well as top dog in New England. Moro Ojomo is not a top dog. Or even close.

He is absolutely playing well there.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

It's not an excuse, it's reality. What you wanted just isn't realistic. Lurie isn't going to tell a coach who just won a Super Bowl "No" when he wants to promote his choice for OC. Not to mention there were no big names available as they were all hired. He's not the biggest problem. An OC of a team with an offensive head coach is never going to be the main problem. Sirianni is a bigger problem. He should have stepped in and corrected some of these issues. He's an offensive guy. If he can't do that, what use is he? If he's of no use to this team other than speeches and throwing challenge flags on Sundays then that's a bigger problem than the OC. Health is a bigger issue than the OC. Many guys are not playing up to their standard. The entire OL isn't playing well. Guys are making key mistakes every week. The defense just got mauled last night by a bad offense missing key guys.

You've just chosen to target the low hanging fruit and pile on. He's one of many issues, but not the biggest.

You are 100% wrong. There were guys out there with NFL play calling experience and success. Patullo had zero NFL play calling experience which made him a major risk right off the bat. Hell, there was a guy available who had SB winning play calling experience with this very organization. Low hanging fruit my ass, just listen to what a former NFL QB in Dan Orlovsky has been saying for weeks about this offense. We had a 14 point lead last week in the 2nd half and our star RB got ONE carry. I said HS coaches no better above, I coached an offense for a JH team for several years and even I knew to run the ball with a big lead in the 2nd half of games. Defending this hire and Patullo in any way shape or form makes you look like a fraud.

17 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

If things go like this the next 2 games, I'm open to the idea of giving McKee a shot. Let's see if he gives the offense a spark.

I'm as critical of Hurts as anybody (if we assume H.E. isn't anybody) but there's just no way this is going to happen as long as Hurts is healthy enough to play. He made a few mistakes which cost the team last night, but the offense is built around him being the guy with the ball in his hands.

The new offensive coordinator is again an adjustment, and the Eagles will need to find the balance between innovation and leaning on the guys who make the offense go (AJ Brown, Smith, Goedert, Barkley). Hopefully, the mini-bye can help Dickerson and Lane get healthier and develop better cohesion along the IOL.