3 hours ago3 hr 9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Frank was out there. An obvious choice.15 million on those two absolutely fixes some big problems on the team and would have let Steen fill in for LD over Toth.Who would want to hire an OC with the following (when you an hire Kevin FN Patullo)-NFL play calling experience-Successful NFL play calling experience-SB winning success calling plays in the NFL-SB winning success calling plays for this very organizationSure kind of shuts down the apologists saying "there was nobody else to hire," doesn't it.
3 hours ago3 hr 4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:True. But I think people blew off Williams here based on Carter carrying him. I think they carried each other and lethal as a combo. And has done well as top dog in New England. Moro Ojomo is not a top dog. Or even close.Carter and Williams is what you dream of having at DT. Two quick twitch, violent penetrating DTs. You can't stop that. You can find a big bodied DT to eat up 15 snaps a game, but you can't find gamechangers.
3 hours ago3 hr I think we’re a hair off , guys. Lol bye week can’t come quick enough , I think they can and will figure this out. Pass rush and qb containment is a big concern as well as Hurts missing open WRs.
2 hours ago2 hr Just now, T-1000 said:Who would want to hire an OC with the following (when you an hire Kevin FN Patullo)-NFL play calling experience-Successful NFL play calling experience-SB winning success calling plays in the NFL-SB winning success calling plays for this very organizationSure kind of shuts down the apologists saying "there was nobody else to hire," doesn't it.Yep. As I stated above Andy can promote anyone because he is in the top 5 offensive minds of all time. Nick can't call plays himself. I don't care if he just won a SB Jeff and Howie should have never allowed him to choose a guy who has no experience. They just watched it fail the year before and saw the difference it made with KM.
2 hours ago2 hr 2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:You are 100% wrong. There were guys out there with NFL play calling experience and success. Patullo had zero NFL play calling experience which made him a major risk right off the bat. Hell, there was a guy available who had SB winning play calling experience with this very organization. Low hanging fruit my ass, just listen to what a former NFL QB in Dan Orlovsky has been saying for weeks about this offense. We had a 14 point lead last week in the 2nd half and our star RB got ONE carry. I said HS coaches no better above, I coached an offense for a JH team for several years and even I knew to run the ball with a big lead in the 2nd half of games. Defending this hire and Patullo in any way shape or form makes you look like a fraud.Nope. I'm not. Sirianni earned the right to choose his OC. You may not like it, but that's the reality. I'm sorry you can't handle the reality of the situation, but that's your problem, not mine.This team is going to do what the head coach wants and to some respect, what Hurts wants. Everyone who covers the team has said this. Sirianni signs off on every game plan and every strategy. He's the head coach. So, again, Patullo is not the main problem, he's a problem. One of many.And maybe if AJ Brown and Hurts connected on that play last week they'd have won the game. It was there, they didn't execute and they weren't running the ball well. Them giving Barkley a few more carries wouldn't have changed the outcome of that game. And Fangio's "vaunted defense" couldn't get a single stop. You are putting everything on Patullo, and it's absurd. You have a clear agenda here and aren't being rational.
2 hours ago2 hr Will admit Hurts did not have a good game. But I wouldn't even think about replacing him. Offensive line is trash right now. And there's no running game. Making them one dimensional. Adding to that, the unimaginative and stupid play calling. He's one of their last issues. McKee won't fix this. This engine is leaking all over the place.If I'm Howie. Calling Justin Simmons, Gilmore & Samuels when he's ready. Need veteran leadership back there. They are lost and slow with Blankenship and Jackson. And lack smarts with Ringo and a rookie in Makuba. They need vets to stablize things and not have refs pick on these youngens all day. Not saying it will save the season. But they are quite short right now on defense and need as many reinforcements as possible. Gotta sell out for a Superbowl and correct this lousy offseason by Howie. Herculean task to say the least...
2 hours ago2 hr 24 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:This is weird. The reigning Super Bowl MVP is not getting benched.Patullo is the first thing that will change on this offense.Lots of WIP caller level bad takes this werk
2 hours ago2 hr 5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:Will admit Hurts did not have a good game. But I wouldn't even think about replacing him. Offensive line is trash right now. And there's no running game. Making them one dimensional. Adding to that, the unimaginative and stupid play calling. He's one of their last issues. McKee won't fix this. This engine is leaking all over the place.If I'm Howie. Calling Justin Simmons, Gilmore & Samuels when he's ready. Need veteran leadership back there. They are lost and slow with Blankenship and Jackson. And lack smarts with Ringo and a rookie in Makuba. They need vets to stablize things and not have refs pick on these youngens all day. Not saying it will save the season. But they are quite short right now on defense and need as many reinforcements as possible. Gotta sell out for a Superbowl and correct this lousy offseason by Howie. Herculean task to say the least...Short sighted over reactions are the opposite of success
2 hours ago2 hr 24 minutes ago, jojodancer said:Yes. But too many peeps in here stated that Jalen Carter would make Ojomo so much better. No. Milton & Jalen were a lethal combo you just don't split up.We were never going to be able to pay Williams we all knew that
2 hours ago2 hr 34 minutes ago, wussbasket said:What happened in the first drive where Barkley played 2 snaps and then comes out of the game? I get he had 2 big runs, but its the first 2 plays of the game and hes taking himself out. 1st down at the Giants 29 yard line, Patullo then dials up a AJ Dillon inside run for 2 yards and a bizarre QB run where they've instructed the QB to not take hits and slide immediately for a 2 yard loss. 3rd & 10, Hurts quickly throws the ball to Goedert running a 4 yard in route whos immediately tackled?What was that?He seemed to be dinged a bit on the second tackle, kind of slammed his head/shoulder into the ground a bit. Might have been a mild stinger.
2 hours ago2 hr 4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:Nope. I'm not. Sirianni earned the right to choose his OC. You may not like it, but that's the reality. I'm sorry you can't handle the reality of the situation, but that's your problem, not mine.This team is going to do what the head coach wants and to some respect, what Hurts wants. Everyone who covers the team has said this. Sirianni signs off on every game plan and every strategy. He's the head coach. So, again, Patullo is not the main problem, he's a problem. One of many.And maybe if AJ Brown and Hurts connected on that play last week they'd have won the game. It was there, they didn't execute and they weren't running the ball well. Them giving Barkley a few more carries wouldn't have changed the outcome of that game. And Fangio's "vaunted defense" couldn't get a single stop. You are putting everything on Patullo, and it's absurd. You have a clear agenda here and aren't being rational.You lose on your first statement alone. He earned nothing. The last time they made the SB Nick's guy from within got hired and we all remember how that went. Regardless who cares if he did "earn it" as you said. That doesn't mean it wasn't a horrible hire. They hired a guy with ZERO NFL play calling experience who was Nick's boy, such a shocker that it went wrong.You also lose on your last statement as well with your weak ass strawman. I never said everything was on Patullo, I said he is the biggest problem and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that that is the case. This is the EXACT same skill position players and 4/5's of the same OL that put up 55 and 40 in the NFCG and SB a few months ago. Gee, I wonder what one thing was a major change from that to this.
2 hours ago2 hr Next week is a loss. Just don't see how the defense offers amy resistance with Adoree and Ringo as the corners and the Patullo offense can't score more than the low 20s. They need to beat the Giants in two weeks though and then get healthy coming out of the bye and doing some self scouting to turn the offensive playcalling around. If they lose to the Giants twice and head into the bye 4-4 then they might end up losing out.
2 hours ago2 hr 33 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Timing matters but that doesn't mean nobody in the NFL or college ranks was better than who Nick picked. He went with easy and someone who supports his system. Andy calls the plays and can promote anyone he wants because he is a master of offensive philosophy at this point. Nick isn't. He can't go with someone who doesn't have experience. Reich was out there.Trouble is in the NFL, teams can block an OC hire from their staff and usually do at that point in the offseason. It would have had to be an outside hire from college or someone who was sitting out on the coaching carousel for this year. Neither is necessarily an upgrade over an internal hire. That said... this might have worked better for our new OC play caller.
2 hours ago2 hr 14 minutes ago, T-1000 said:Who would want to hire an OC with the following (when you an hire Kevin FN Patullo)-NFL play calling experience-Successful NFL play calling experience-SB winning success calling plays in the NFL-SB winning success calling plays for this very organizationSure kind of shuts down the apologists saying "there was nobody else to hire," doesn't it.Not really, you're kidding yourself if you think Frank was turned down for Patullo objectively. Front office wouldn't allow that. I think there's some weirdness in the FO that makes it feel untenable, probably that we have the former protégée of the same person. Sirianni seemed weird when first asked about bringing him in before, despite clearly loving the guy enough to act like a fool for the Colts even daring to fire him.I think that's one of those 'doesn't work for reasons we'll never understand' kind of thing, but it's probably hierarchy.
2 hours ago2 hr 34 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Ok, here's the plan. Goedert moves to RT. Mailata to FB. Lane goes to QB. Brown to LT. Hurts to TE.
2 hours ago2 hr Just now, Iggles_Phan said:Trouble is in the NFL, teams can block an OC hire from their staff and usually do at that point in the offseason. It would have had to be an outside hire from college or someone who was sitting out on the coaching carousel for this year. Neither is necessarily an upgrade over an internal hire.That said... this might have worked better for our new OC play caller.Frank Reich was available so you are just another person making excuses for what was a terrible hire at the time (let alone in the hindsight) that many also said at the time was a terrible hire.
2 hours ago2 hr 37 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Frank was out thereFrank would have already been in the building if there wasn't some reason he wasn't. It's probably hierarchy oddities like I said in the post just above this. Remember Nick loves the guy enough that he made a fool of himself being mad at the Colts for firing him. It's probably awkward because it means working for your former employee, which while I don't care about, some places clearly do.
2 hours ago2 hr 4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:Trouble is in the NFL, teams can block an OC hire from their staff and usually do at that point in the offseason. It would have had to be an outside hire from college or someone who was sitting out on the coaching carousel for this year. Neither is necessarily an upgrade over an internal hire.That said... this might have worked better for our new OC play caller.Understand. Frank was out there though
2 hours ago2 hr Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:Frank would have already been in the building if there wasn't some reason he wasn't. It's probably hierarchy oddities like I said in the post just above this. Remember Nick loves the guy enough that he made a fool of himself being mad at the Colts for firing him. It's probably awkward because it means working for your former employee, which while I don't care about, some places clearly do.Maybe
2 hours ago2 hr 1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:Not really, you're kidding yourself if you think Frank was turned down for Patullo objectively. Front office wouldn't allow that. I think there's some weirdness in the FO that makes it feel untenable, probably that we have the former protégée of the same person. Sirianni seemed weird when first asked about bringing him in before, despite clearly loving the guy enough to act like a fool for the Colts even daring to fire him.I think that's one of those 'doesn't work for reasons we'll never understand' kind of thing, but it's probably hierarchy.Even IF that is the case, that doesn't justify hiring someone without NFL play calling experience who is too closely in line with Nick. We have seen that story before and it didn't go well. They were just coming off of hiring from outside the organization with a guy with NFL play calling experiences and his own ideas. We all saw how that went and it resulted in a SB win and offensive explosion in the NFCCG and SB. This 'but but but it was late in the off-season and there was nobody to hire" narrative to try to justify a horrible hire is a pathetically bad excuse and a really weird hill to die on. The moron gave Saquon FN Barkley ONE carry in the 2nd half of a game that the team was winning by multiple TD's.
2 hours ago2 hr 1 minute ago, T-1000 said:You lose on your first statement alone. He earned nothing. The last time they made the SB Nick's guy from within got hired and we all remember how that went. Regardless who cares if he did "earn it" as you said. That doesn't mean it wasn't a horrible hire. They hired a guy with ZERO NFL play calling experience who was Nick's boy, such a shocker that it went wrong.You also lose on your last statement as well with your weak ass strawman. I never said everything was on Patullo, I said he is the biggest problem and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that that is the case. This is the EXACT same skill position players and 4/5's of the same OL that put up 55 and 40 in the NFCG and SB a few months ago. Gee, I wonder what one thing was a major change from that to this. FN derp.You're straw manning yourself. I never said it wasn't a bad hire. I said that it was a hire that was unavoidable because Lurie was not going to tell a SB winning coach that he couldn't hire the OC of his choice. If that's the case then just Fing fire Nick Sirianni. I mean seriously. If you trust your head coach who just won you a SB so little that you don't even let him pick his OC, then you might as well fire him. Not to mention it's a common misconception that Brian Johnson was Sirianni's choice in 2023. I don't believe that to be the case. Patullo is Sirianni's guy, not Brian Johnson. I think Howie and Lurie were as excited about Brian Johnson as much as anyone. It was reported by several people that Brian Johnson was beloved in that building. So it's not like every coordinator that Lurie and Howie sign off on is a great choice either.And you are not thinking nuanced enough with your logic. Your logic is 2024 offense was good, the coordinator changed, now it's not good. Therefore, that must mean Patullo is the problem. Here's the flaw in your logic.For one, the 2024 offense was not good. The running game was great. The passing offense was mediocre by every metric. They were middle of the pack in DVOA and middle of the pack in EPA per play. Those metrics account for style of play, so the Eagles being a run heavy team would not have impacted those stats. When they did throw it, they were not great doing it. We talked about the passing game being disappointing every week leading up to the playoffs. It was one of the bigger talking points.Go back to 2024 and give Kellen Moore a battered offensive line where no one looks healthy. Give him a Barkley coming off a career high in touches. Then see what you get. Kellen Moore is better than Patullo, so I still think things would be better off, but again, you said Patullo is the main problem with this team. He's not. Sirianni is a bigger problem, he's the head coach. He's responsible for everything that goes on. And he hired Patullo if you want to factor that in. And that's just to start.
2 hours ago2 hr 4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:Frank Reich was available so you are just another person making excuses for what was a terrible hire at the time (let alone in the hindsight) that many also said at the time was a terrible hire.In the entire NFL family both active and retired I doubt he was one only one as well.
2 hours ago2 hr 2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:Frank Reich was available so you are just another person making excuses for what was a terrible hire at the time (let alone in the hindsight) that many also said at the time was a terrible hire.I'm not excusing the Patullo hire. I am also not sure that Frank Reich is the right guy to bring in either. He's an older coach and never was the OC for a QB with Hurts' unique skill set. He'd likely take a full year to learn how to best utilize Hurts as the QB. He's always had a gunslinger QB playing for him, for good or for bad. And hasn't had a guy to run RO plays, which are very different from the RPOs that they ran with Foles in the Super Bowl.All I did was point out that NFL teams can block teams from interviewing their assistant coaches for an OC position. So, that means the pool of options is limited to NCAA coaches or coaches who aren't currently under contract to other NFL teams. Do with that what you will.
2 hours ago2 hr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Understand. Frank was out there thoughAnd I don't think he's the answer for a Hurts led offense.
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