2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That's part of the problem. Nick isn't a great offensive mind. He is a good manager of people.

Yep, see my last post above. The less involved in the offense he is, the better. The players seem to like him a lot and want to play for him. When he is in CEO mode the team is better off. Hence when you knew he could rely on Steichen to call plays and design an offense, and Moore came in with his own offense and ideas. Johnson and Patullo were both guys with no NFL play calling experience and likely guys that Nick feels he has to get more involved with which is not a good thing for the offense or team. Patullo is the one calling the plays and has made it quite clear through 6 games that he is a moron who is in over his head but Nick is accountable for this debacle as well because it was his guy and he is likely back to being more involved in the offense than he was last season. Nick is simply not an X's and O's guy.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

This season he doesn't even seem great at managing people. He's having a bad year. He preaches fundamentals every week and they've been bad at them. He guys are committing bad undisciplined penalties every week. For a CEO head coach to be valuable, they need to be on point on all those areas or they're useless. It's why I don't typically like CEO head coaches. I want a brilliant offensive mind first and foremost. But I'd be willing to roll with Sirianni as a CEO as long as his team plays hungry, motivated, technically sound, and does all the small things. This season they're doing none of that.

That could be true for the year before as well. When so many things are going wrong it has to be difficult.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Something is just wrong. Maybe the SB hangover is just a real thing.

I get that some guys are injured and Steen is the new RG, but you don't go from the most dominant OL in the league to the worst in the league just because you blocked for a 2,000 yard RB the year prior. It's the most confusing thing ever. They don't work as a unit. They seem confused. They trip over each other. It's like every game is their first time playing together, and that goes for the entire offense. Nothing about this makes sense.

It’s not a real thing. We have incompetent coaching staff and it’s clear. Being entirely unproductive for entire halves of games is a scheme and coaching issue.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That's a very good point. It's not like the writing wasn't on the wall weeks before. They had time to plan for him leaving and went with the easy option.

Yeah, this wasn’t like Jonathan Gannon going to the cardinals. This wasn’t some surprise to them. We knew weeks leaving up to it. Beat writers knew it. So wasn’t some well kept secret. They wanted to go with patullo so they went with him. The fact of the matter is they’ve done this 3 times now where they had a Super Bowl contending roster (groh, Johnson and patullo) and they gave the range to an inexperienced first year offensive coordinator. None of the times has it worked. At some point in time you either learn from past mistakes or you are doomed to repeat it.

2 hours ago, aptosbird said:

Yup..I have been saying since the offseason that having an extra long 24-25 season would impact the Eagles. All but a few teams get the extra month of rest in the offseason. I really believe that the grueling season requires a set level of rest to adequately heal and recover. The evidence to my assertion showed almost immediately as early as OTA's with a prevalence of soft tissue injuries and continued into training camp. I heard reports that the OL only had a handful of snaps together as a complete unit prior to the start of the season due to all the injuries. Soft tissue injuries that normally took a week of so to heal were taking three weeks...all signs that their bodies were still struggling to recover from the previous season. Having the extra short week also plays into the lack of recovery during the offseason. The lack of proper offseason recovery time seems to be affecting their bodies ability to recover between games. I think it definitely was an issue last night.

I agree. They looked tired, both mentally and physically.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

How come? You are one of the best posters on here. If the only options for Hurts are from the tree of Nick's offensive ineptitude then that's a problem. I just find it hard to believe that even after the SB the only option was a guy on his staff with no experience. Nobody from the innovative trees, nobody else like KM not with a team or in college, just him. If we are being honest Nick picked him because it was easy and because it was from his tree.

I just don't see Hurts' style fitting what Reich has done over his career. I went into more specifics earlier, but he's always had more of a gunslinger type QB... Rivers in SD, Wentz here, Luck in Indy, even the year with the backups of Brissett and Hoyer... those are guys with big arms. He's never been a RO guy. Could he adapt? Maybe. But, I also don't think he wants any part of the NFL grind anymore either. He's moved on.

I don't think Patullo's issue is experience, I think it's that like Sirianni, he's just not a very good offensive mind. I don't think he has the chops. And all of this is irrespective of how much influence Hurts has on the offense, because several guys who cover the team have been hinting that Hurts has a lot more to do with the offense looking this way without outright saying it. Not saying that's true, but worth considering.

I think the Eagles trust their internal development. They've developed many coaches and front office guys over the years. I'm fine promoting from within from time to time... if you have bright guys in the building. The Eagles need more bright young coaches in the building on the offensive side of the ball. They seem far better at developing defensive coaching talent and front office talent than offensive coaching talent.

Anyway, I'm sure if things continue this way Lurie will make Mike McDaniels the highest paid OC in the league in 2026 or something. And give him full autonomy of the offense.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

More excuses, keep making a full out of yourself for defending a hire that was questionable at the time and a disaster in hindsight. I mean, there couldn't possibly have been someone available that late who would be smart enough to give the team's star RB more than ONE carry during the 2nd half of a game where they were winning by multiple scores. As for your last comment, that is laughable desperation on your part. A. I already provided one name and you just brushed it off by making a massive assumption about why he wasn't even considered and B. It's not my job to identify NFL coaching talent but it sure as hell is the job of Howie and Lurie to do so, so perhaps they should have been better at their jobs. Far be it from me to point out the obvious though and call them out for a massive mistake.

So basically you have no one. You made this entire post to deflect from the fact that you're ranting about criteria you want, and literally have NO ONE in mind that actually fits context mentioned, while simultaneously using the ONE name you brought in mind to torch people. C'mon man, do better.

And let me be blunt: If you seriously think even for a second that the OC of the team that won the Eagles the Super Bowl, who also is literally loved by the head coach of our team, was not considered for NO REASON WHATSOEVER, then you're basically saying our Front Office that just won the SB is full of idiots, and Lurie is so dumb he should consider firing himself.

Also, Sirianni himself is smart enough to do that @ run the ball, but Hurts isn't coachable for his level due to clear weaknesses in traditional passing skills, which require very strong offensive minds to work around at the NFL level. Which is yet another reason why we were in trouble.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think Patullo's issue is experience, I think it's that like Sirianni, he's just not a very good offensive mind. I don't think he has the chops. And all of this is irrespective of how much influence Hurts has on the offense, because several guys who cover the team have been hinting that Hurts has a lot more to do with the offense looking this way without outright saying it. Not saying that's true, but worth considering.

I think the Eagles trust their internal development. They've developed many coaches and front office guys over the years. I'm fine promoting from within from time to time... if you have bright guys in the building. The Eagles need more bright young coaches in the building on the offensive side of the ball. They seem far better at developing defensive coaching talent and front office talent than offensive coaching talent.

Anyway, I'm sure if things continue this way Lurie will make Mike McDaniels the highest paid OC in the league in 2026 or something. And give him full autonomy of the offense.

Being a good enough NFL mind to run an NFL offense and being a good enough NFL mind to run an NFL offense with a QB who prefers to throw to NCAA open targets, struggles to see over his line, struggles with traditional QB drops, struggles with post snap processing, and is practically married to the franchise is another. You need especially strong chops for that, in ways that nearly counter out some of our high level offensive talent.

Sadly we are getting injuries at the wrong time. No Jalen Carter and Q? You could really see it. They couldn't stop the run all night. Also how many times is Ringo gonna get burned? I know he's young but he needs to play better. Also the O-Line issues can't be glossed over anymore. They don't seemed to be holding the line as well. Props to the GMen, they had their backs against the wall with a rookie QB. NFC East games are always a situation you throw records out. I still don't feel the sky the falling just yet. The Entire league already has losses and it's still week 6. Get healthy on the Mini-Bye. Minny has a good defense and Carson an sling it. We will have to play some of our best Football to make sure we don't lose 3 straight.

Doug trying to play some Game of Thrones.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Something is just wrong. Maybe the SB hangover is just a real thing.

I get that some guys are injured and Steen is the new RG, but you don't go from the most dominant OL in the league to the worst in the league just because you blocked for a 2,000 yard RB the year prior. It's the most confusing thing ever. They don't work as a unit. They seem confused. They trip over each other. It's like every game is their first time playing together, and that goes for the entire offense. Nothing about this makes sense.

You’re stating the fact that it was just a 2000 yards blocking that made some of these guys regress. This is an accumulation effect of multiple things along with that

— Playing that physical brand of football and being the highest run team has an effect. There’s a reason almost every single offense the year after they have a 2000 yard rusher struggles. It’s not just a running back. The offensive line if you go look at PFF and ESPN their offensive lines were not as good the following year. there was a regression. That was coming. It’s probably from the physical toll it takes to do that.

— The fact that you also have played 9 playoff games in the last four years. That’s more than another half a season added onto these guys. Chiefs only other team with more. Niners have 9 currently dealing with a ton of injures (missed last year playoffs). Buffalo has 9 an even so far this season they’ve had issues even at 4-1. Really should be 3-2 except got a miracle week 1

—The fact that you run the tush push at the highest percentage of anybody in the league takes its toll on the body. Jason Kelce has discussed it. Jordan mailata and lane Johnson have alluded to it and why they do it but don’t love it.

— those three things I mentioned above eventually go to take its toll on the human body. They are not robots.

— jurgens had back surgery. That’s not some minor surgery. There’s people who get back surgery that are never the same. Heck, Jurgens and Dickerson didn’t even make it all the way through last year without getting majorly banged up by the end of the year. Like both were walking wounded by commanders nfc title game.

Just because you were great in 2024 does not mean you’re gonna be great in 2025 because the name on the back of the jersey is the same. The accumulations of stuff that’s happened over a 4 year period and last year you being as run heavy as you’ve ever been is going to take a toll in body. They’re not robots. Just because you have six months off does not mean your body is gonna be the same in 2025 as it was in 2024.

There are other issues with the offensive line and the offense. Nobody saying there’s not. we can all see that there’s other reasons besides that. However, when you have multiple players telling you last year really took a toll on their body, we can either ignore it or they are giving you an insight to how much of a price they paid to win that SB

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So basically you have no one. You made this entire post to deflect from the fact that you're ranting about criteria you want, and literally have NO ONE in mind that actually fits context mentioned, while simultaneously using the ONE name you brought in mind to torch people. C'mon man, do better.

And let me be blunt: If you seriously think even for a second that the OC of the team that won the Eagles the Super Bowl, who also is literally loved by the head coach of our team, was not considered for NO REASON WHATSOEVER, then you're basically saying our Front Office that just won the SB is full of idiots, and Lurie is so dumb he should consider firing himself.

Also, Sirianni himself is smart enough to do that @ run the ball, but Hurts isn't coachable for his level due to clear weaknesses in traditional passing skills, which require very strong offensive minds to work around at the NFL level. Which is yet another reason why we were in trouble.

To be fair we'd need to jump back to January when they knew he was leaving and know who was still available. Frank is mostly just a name tossed out to show there were people. Taking into consideration the point EAGLES made that they knew well in advance and still chose him shows they didn't put much thought or effort into it. If they did that a year removed from Johnson then yeah they were idiots. Nick, Howie, and Jeff. They saw the losing formula the year before and the one that was currently working and said let's go back to the horrible one.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah, this wasn’t like Jonathan Gannon going to the cardinals. This wasn’t some surprise to them. We knew weeks leaving up to it. Beat writers knew it. So wasn’t some well kept secret. They wanted to go with patullo so they went with him. The fact of the matter is they’ve done this 3 times now where they had a Super Bowl contending roster (groh, Johnson and patullo) and they gave the range to an inexperienced first year offensive coordinator. None of the times has it worked. At some point in time you either learn from past mistakes or you are doomed to repeat it.

I even knew it without a single source. All you had to do was look at the list of who they interviewed and then see them drag their feet with making a decision while every other job got filled. It was beyond obvious Moore was the guy. The only hope at the time was "maybe he'll decline it".

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't know what they're called but it's the rules analyst that's always giving his opinions to the commentators during the games. He agreed with you that if you slow down every play then you'll likely see a false start majority of the time

Thats why it bothers me when I see people on TV, like Stephen A. today saying the evidence is there on video that the Eagles are moving early. Well yeah if you slow it down of course it will show lineman moving slightly early.

I'm ready for the play to be done. Not because I dont like it or think it should be banned. It's most likely going to be banned anyway. Might as well accept it.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah, this wasn’t like Jonathan Gannon going to the cardinals. This wasn’t some surprise to them. We knew weeks leaving up to it. Beat writers knew it. So wasn’t some well kept secret. They wanted to go with patullo so they went with him. The fact of the matter is they’ve done this 3 times now where they had a Super Bowl contending roster (groh, Johnson and patullo) and they gave the range to an inexperienced first year offensive coordinator. None of the times has it worked. At some point in time you either learn from past mistakes or you are doomed to repeat it.

Right - we knew going into the playoffs we’d be needing a new coordinator.

And we hire someone with no playcalling experience, no juice, no creativity.

I’d say’s after 6 weeks we know what we need to know. Cut him loose - grab someone off the street - use these next weeks into the bye to implement something fresh.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Doug trying to play some Game of Thrones.

He's stubborn as hell too though lol

6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Being a good enough NFL mind to run an NFL offense and being a good enough NFL mind to run an NFL offense with a QB who prefers to throw to NCAA open targets, struggles to see over his line, struggles with traditional QB drops, struggles with post snap processing, and is practically married to the franchise is another. You need especially strong chops for that, in ways that nearly counter out some of our high level offensive talent.

Think its safe to say that O-line will be the draft priority after the season. Maybe CB 2 to pair with Q.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

To be fair we'd need to jump back to January when they knew he was leaving and know who was still available. Frank is mostly just a name tossed out to show there were people. Taking into consideration the point EAGLES made that they knew well in advance and still chose him shows they didn't put much thought or effort into it. If they did that a year removed from Johnson then yeah they were idiots. Nick, Howie, and Jeff.

I'm not actually saying no one was available, you didn't see it in the first post but I said I had a name. I'm saying basically everyone people actually wanted was no longer available, so the answer would have been met with a "who?" And quite possibly shredding them for the hire. Very far down in the bags of tricks.

I'm saying that all the people that people in here were thinking of, or think would be good, or think fit their criteria, or can think of who fit their criteria, other than the one I mentioned with the hierarchy issues, wasn't available.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I even knew it without a single source. All you had to do was look at the list of who they interviewed and then see them drag their feet with making a decision while every other job got filled. It was beyond obvious Moore was the guy. The only hope at the time was "maybe he'll decline it".

Imo there was never a chance that Moore was gonna turn down that job. It’s not like he was getting offered multiple HC jobs each offseason. Can say well he could’ve come back here and built off what he did and get a better job. However, there’s also the other side where he might not been able to build upon it and a regression could hurt his chance at a HC job next offseason.

3 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Right - we knew going into the playoffs we’d be needing a new coordinator.

And we hire someone with no playcalling experience, no juice, no creativity.

I’d say’s after 6 weeks we know what we need to know. Cut him loose - grab someone off the street - use these next weeks into the bye to implement something fresh.

I get what you're saying but do you look back at last year's offense and think there was creativity under Kellen Moore? Didn't seem like it.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I'm being a little mean because I'm tired of all this and trying to make a point, but average offensive mind doesn't mean terrible, it just means average. It means that you probably won't overcome a QB that requires a good amount of customization to work well, but can work well with ones that are fairly traditional in skillset.

I've said this like 50 times, but people always forget, Sirianni is from the Reich tree and the prototype for that tree's offensive roots is Phillip Rivers.

4 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Right - we knew going into the playoffs we’d be needing a new coordinator.

And we hire someone with no playcalling experience, no juice, no creativity.

I’d say’s after 6 weeks we know what we need to know. Cut him loose - grab someone off the street - use these next weeks into the bye to implement something fresh.

Tbh besides Doug i have no clue who the heck is even out there to hire right now. I’m for it if they identify someone. I’m guessing they’d do the same thing they did to Desai.

I still do it anyway and not that it could get that much worse (i really don’t think it could) but could have the Patricia effect where guys just look completely checked out after doing it.

6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Being a good enough NFL mind to run an NFL offense and being a good enough NFL mind to run an NFL offense with a QB who prefers to throw to NCAA open targets, struggles to see over his line, struggles with traditional QB drops, struggles with post snap processing, and is practically married to the franchise is another. You need especially strong chops for that, in ways that nearly counter out some of our high level offensive talent.

I don’t think all of those are really what he individually struggles with - but sure let’s say he does.

Where are we using his legs? Where are we setting up better run designs and getting him on the move in PA to get open players near the sidelines?

Where are we doing. ANYTHING to confuse the defense. Which passing concepts have you seen this year that makes you go "WOW THAT WAS CREATIVE”? What formations and setups have we seen to do anything to remedy any perceived weaknesses? We’ve seen Jalen be on time and accurate in many games, over and over. Something is way off with this offense and I’m not putting it on Hurts. Even the rams game we watched him dice up being on time and efficient in the 2nd half.

If teams are loading the box go 5 wide and out a guy or two in motion to see if a blitz is coming.

Move the pocket for your QB and disrupt the lanes of stance boxes. We don’t do anything interested, creative, or smart on offense. Defenses know that and are just playing vanilla shell behind blitz looks and we run our offensive players right into the coverage or we call a 5 step drop against a 6 man pressure lol.