16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

And the question needs to be asked…is that an OC problem?

No, Hurts doesn't like to make those 60/40 50/50 throws. He rather check it down, or hold the ball too long.

19 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Me too and it is why I'm holding fast with my assertion that the D was the problem. They get a big fat F from me. The O gets a C- and should have done well enough to make this one a nail biter in the end but had the D even put up a mediocre game we win this easily even with another crappy performance from the O.

Because the D has been carrying the offense all season. The offense was putrid in that game too, especially the second half.

What's interesting is the offense had the highest passing numbers and most involvement of both WRs against the Giants, and they lost. The DEFENSE was dominated and embarrassed, the Giants offense did whatever they wanted with scrubs at WR and a rookie QB and RB.

If the defense would have played better and limited their points, and the return game didn't suck and give them awful starting field position, the offense may have been able to sustain better. Of course the INT was awful, they were driving to score on that drive.

There's a lot of blame to go around. It's funny that some people focus solely on one aspect or player or coach. There were a lot of factors and issues.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because the D has been carrying the offense all season. The offense was putrid in that game too, especially the second half.

There was a large difference in the two groups performances and also the competition they faced. Not even close in either of those two items.

That doesn't mean the O played a good game which I never said. They did play well for a half though.

People also speculate "they could easily be 0-6" because of what ifs and scenarios that could have gone differently. That's a glass half empty view. The glass half full positive view is that they could have been 5-0 going into that Giants game as well, certain plays could have gone differently in the Eagles favor to make them perform better, win by a greater margin. Refs calls, dropped passes, route issues, overthrown/missed throws, bad play calls, missed tackles, almost interceptions, Carter's ejection, Dillon running into Dickerson and Mailata and exacerbating injury, Dickerson coming back too soon, Pryor initially replacing Lane instead of Fred Johnson. A lot of things could have gone even better in their favor and the wins could have been more convincing.

Most people tend to view things negatively and think about how much worse things could have been, instead of thinking positively.

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think we are going to be waiting all year for that performance which will never come.

lol...barring injury, I'll be more than happy to take wagers

1 hour ago, Krump said:

I'm so tired of hearing about the offensive coordinator. Coordinators are a revolving door in the NFL, all players have to deal with it. Hurts has only been really good for a few quarters this year, the second half of the Rams game. He was actually playing fluid in that half, he was just dropping back and throwing. Other than that, it's been the same thing with him, he's indecisive and holds the ball too long. I really believe it's something mental with him. I think he just doesn't have the confidence in his arm. he receivers, his reads, or something else. His aversion to take some risk is another thing that bothers me, and I think it's because he doesn't have a big arm, so he shys away from making those 60/40 and 50/50 throws. He prefers to dink and dunk or throw it out of bounds. That sideline throw he made to AJ Brown late in the Rams game was a rarity for him, but it was the reason they won.

He us truly the Ben Simmons of QBs. And a lot of people thought Ben was a really great player for years. And I was called a troll for saying he stink for a few years also.

Some people don't know ball.

11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

The quality I was talking about was the attitude. That isn't exactly the same quality as what one finds in a leader though quite often it is the same guy.

Baun is a leader to me but he isn't going to be the one creating the attitude on the field. Someone just needed to be the real dick head out there Thursday night and put some hyper emotion in play to wake guys up. They slept walked the entire game on D.

They certainly did that.

1 hour ago, DaBirds said:

Is Hurts the reason analytics say AJ is only open half as much as his was last year?

Yes

1 hour ago, DaBirds said:

Completely disagree but whatever.

You're seeing ghosts

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

People also speculate "they could easily be 0-6" because of what ifs and scenarios that could have gone differently. That's a glass half empty view. The glass half full positive view is that they could have been 5-0 going into that Giants game as well, certain plays could have gone differently in the Eagles favor to make them perform better, win by a greater margin. Refs calls, dropped passes, route issues, overthrown/missed throws, bad play calls, missed tackles, almost interceptions, Carter's ejection, Dillon running into Dickerson and Mailata and exacerbating injury, Dickerson coming back too soon, Pryor initially replacing Lane instead of Fred Johnson. A lot of things could have gone even better in their favor and the wins could have been more convincing.

Most people tend to view things negatively and think about how much worse things could have been, instead of thinking positively.

There's truth to this - good chance once everyone gets healthy, they start playing to their abilities, winning games and in a few weeks people can look back on some of these posts and laugh,

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There was a large difference in the two groups performances and also the competition they faced. Not even close in either of those two items.

That doesn't mean the O played a good game which I never said. They did play well for a half though.

Which has been the O's Mo all year. Play no more than 30 minutes of a game. I guess I have a different standard for the O than the D, for the same reason you are holding the D to a higher standard than the O in the Giants game... due to the talent level on the respective sides of the ball. The Eagles put their big money into the offensive side. When you do that, I expect that side of the ball to do the heavy lifting. All season that part of the team has been the anchor holding the team back. They are held to a higher standard by me than the D, because they have the big money on their side of the ball and it isn't even close. Just two different viewpoints. I blame both sides equally, you want to shift it to the D rather than spread the wealth. No worries. The D was bad, not doubt, but I don't take the O off the hook for that game either. 3 and out after 3 and out demoralizes a defense and they've been dealing with that for WEEKS now, eventually the dam breaks. It broke this week.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There's truth to this - good chance once everyone gets healthy, they start playing to their abilities, winning games and in a few weeks people can look back on some of these posts and laugh,

I'm hoping they can get healthy but not too optimistic at the same time. The defense can't sustain the large numbers of snaps they have been taking.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You're seeing ghosts

I've never watched that show. Is it worth a view?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

you are holding the D to a higher standard than the O in the Giants game

Here's the key line. I am NOT holding the D to a higher standard. The D was FAR FAR worse than the O in that game.

Having said that, the O has been far worse during the overall six games and again that hasn't been close.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

And the question needs to be asked…is that an OC problem?

My opinion: Hurts has had one excellent OC in Steichen and with him he was an MVP candidate and made it to the SB where we all know he played great. Credit to Sirianni for hiring him and realizing tjat Steichen is a better OC than himself. He had a good OC in Moore where we won the SB. With competent OCs Hurts plays well. The evidence is there, plain as day.

A reminder to all of us:after Johnson as OC we screamed for an OC that used motion, that ran different plays from the same pre-set snaps, an OC that was unpredictable. We were happy with Moore because he was known for that. He moved people, he ran out of passing formations, he ran different routes from the same formations, he threw out of passing formations, he used play action pass and RPOs.

Now, we are saddled again with another OC that is the most predictable game caller in the league. Hurts, like most QBs has his limitations, and they get magnified when his OC is even more limited. When he has an OC that maximizes his attributes, of which there are many, he wins games, lots of them, and looks good to great doing it. Maybe, just maybe, Patullo should be taking the best of both Steichen and Moore and implement them. Honestly, he looks like he learned nothing from them in the years he's been here. It's like watching the Mike Boryla era of Eagles football.

16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

lol...barring injury, I'll be more than happy to take wagers

I’m not going to bet against our own team and I’m not going to die on a hill condemning a player as talented as Barkley. But I’d be shocked if he does anything of note aside from one good game or two all year long. No breakout.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He us truly the Ben Simmons of QBs. And a lot of people thought Ben was a really great player for years. And I was called a troll for saying he stink for a few years also.

Some people don't know ball.

I always tell people you have to actually watch the games to appreciate how bad Hurts plays at times. A lot of people just watch the highlights, and you can make a highlight reel for anyone. Hurts poor play is being noticed more and more on a National level now. He's not rated as an elite QB like Eagles fans think he is.

23 minutes ago, Krump said:

No, Hurts doesn't like to make those 60/40 50/50 throws. He rather check it down, or hold the ball too long.

Check down to who? Most of the plays don't even have them and take too long to develop.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not going to bet against our own team and I’m not going to die on a hill condemning a player as talented as Barkley. But I’d be shocked if he does anything of note aside from one good game or two all year long. No breakout.

Would be nice if he could get out of the backfield. Baby steps. OL has been getting man handled and defenses knowing exactly when it's a run doesn't help.

Since siri is hell bent on hiring his friends. He needs to call the HC from Toledo, Candle to come replace his current friend as the OC

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

He’s had multiple blown plays - even in games we’ve won - should have made the tackle instead of flying threw the air, going for the pick and then just standing there instead of staying in coverage with the receiver on the 80 yard bomb TD against the Bucs.

And I’m not saying we need to bring back CJGJ (even though this is a better defense with him in it) but at this point it’s clear that Sidney Brown should be starting and it’s nothing other than bias and absolute stubbornness that he’s not.

That said, Mukuba seems to have all the skills to become a very good safety but sometimes, you need to slow a guy down, let him learn from the sidelines instead of letting him continue to make the same mistakes - which can become habits etc.

Just no.

48 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yes

Talk about seeing ghosts 😄

We have reached the point where people are blaming Howie for not having an top 3 roster *every* year. Can the coaches do their job please?