After years of dominating, the Eagles are losing the battle of the line of scrimmage. Simple as that. As much as I want Patullo to be fired, nothing will change with the O if they dont start winning those battles at the line.

Howie has some time to do some work before the next game. An OG who can move the line of scrimmage would go a long way with Dickerson being out and banged up. Hopefully, the time off allows the others to get healthier. A DT or DE would be nice but with Carter and Smith coming back should shore up that group.

46 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

My opinion: Hurts has had one excellent OC in Steichen and with him he was an MVP candidate and made it to the SB where we all know he played great. Credit to Sirianni for hiring him and realizing tjat Steichen is a better OC than himself. He had a good OC in Moore where we won the SB. With competent OCs Hurts plays well. The evidence is there, plain as day.

A reminder to all of us:after Johnson as OC we screamed for an OC that used motion, that ran different plays from the same pre-set snaps, an OC that was unpredictable. We were happy with Moore because he was known for that. He moved people, he ran out of passing formations, he ran different routes from the same formations, he threw out of passing formations, he used play action pass and RPOs.

Now, we are saddled again with another OC that is the most predictable game caller in the league.

This. It makes no sense to blame Hurts unless you are just complaining about what he’s always been. The difference between this year and last year is not Hurts.

13 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Talk about seeing ghosts 😄

Alright. I'll check out the show.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

We have reached the point where people are blaming Howie for not having an top 3 roster *every* year. Can the coaches do their job please?

The answer to that question seems to be coming more apparent by the week. 🤔

9 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

After years of dominating, the Eagles are losing the battle of the line of scrimmage. Simple as that. As much as I want Patullo to be fired, nothing will change with the O if they dont start winning those battles at the line.

Howie has some time to do some work before the next game. An OG who can move the line of scrimmage would go a long way with Dickerson being out and banged up. Hopefully, the time off allows the others to get healthier. A DT or DE would be nice but with Carter and Smith coming back should shore up that group.

What GM is going to give up a piece like that at this point in the season? And how much would it cost at this point?

The NFL isn't MLB, NHL or NBA where big pieces are moved as a matter of pattern before the trade deadline in season. Those trades are the exception, not the rule.

29 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Just no.

Just yes? lol

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What GM is going to give up a piece like that at this point in the season? And how much would it cost at this point?

The NFL isn't MLB, NHL or NBA where big pieces are moved as a matter of pattern before the trade deadline in season. Those trades are the exception, not the rule.

Yes, I know the reality of trades in the NFL. However, there are a good amount of teams this year whose season is already over and may be fireselling. There are also other routes like practice squads and, maybe, a vet FA who just needs to fill in for a couple of games. I dont think Toth is magically going to transform into that guy.

1 hour ago, Krump said:

No, Hurts doesn't like to make those 60/40 50/50 throws. He rather check it down, or hold the ball too long.

When he made those 50/50 throws the last 6 games of 2023 you all destroyed him.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

And the question needs to be asked…is that an OC problem?

10-19 yard passes are the product of a healthy offense that has a functional OC and a line that can make the initial block and hold the block for a second or two.

Does this sound like the 2025 Eagles?

When you have to run for your life the 10-19 becomes 20+ when you can finally set and throw.

Everyone is free to watch the all 22 and show us all these amazing routes with open guys between 10-19 yards with a clean pocket where Hurts does not feel like doing his job.

I won't hold my breath.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The answer to that question seems to be coming more apparent by the week. 🤔

Agreed.

Nick isn't getting fired this off-season no matter what, but he lost the ability to select his OC.

I understand how Adoree and Ringo are their best options once Q got hurt if they believe the rookie is not ready yet.

I will never understand how Toth is the best option as Guard 3 on a team with Super Bowl goals.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

10-19 yard passes are the product of a healthy offense that has a functional OC and a line that can make the initial block and hold the block for a second or two.

Does this sound like the 2025 Eagles?

When you have to run for your life the 10-19 becomes 20+ when you can finally set and throw.

Everyone is free to watch the all 22 and show us all these amazing routes with open guys between 10-19 yards with a clean pocket where Hurts does not feel like doing his job.

I won't hold my breath.

But he's not a 6'5 250 pound white guy.......

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

I understand how Adoree and Ringo are their best options once Q got hurt if they believe the rookie is not ready yet.

I will never understand how Toth is the best option as Guard 3 on a team with Super Bowl goals.

Losing Becton wasn't just about losing him, it was also about losing Steen as a backup. Howie never replaced him which for him is and his track record is very surprising. I guess we can add Pryor to the list of terrible signings this past offseason.

Just now, T-1000 said:

But he's not a 6'5 250 pound white guy.......

Hey, that white guy was huge vs Dallas and NY

Kenny Pickett had a 119 rating vs Dallas in the game McKee threw 4 whole passes.

Maybe he is better than Hurts now too? 🤡

6 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

I understand how Adoree and Ringo are their best options once Q got hurt if they believe the rookie is not ready yet.

I will never understand how Toth is the best option as Guard 3 on a team with Super Bowl goals.

Especially mind boggling considering both Jergens and Dickerson had recent surgeries. You would think a good backup interior OL would have been a priority

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

He us truly the Ben Simmons of QBs. And a lot of people thought Ben was a really great player for years. And I was called a troll for saying he stink for a few years also.

Some people don't know ball.

Other than the fact that Simmons had no heart (Hurts does), didn't work hard (Hurts does), and was one of the biggest playoff chokers in the NBA during his run (Hurts has historically played better in the playoffs and has TWO great SB performances) they are exactly alike. I couldn't agree with you more, some people just don't know ball.

In all seriousness, please tell me you are just trolling at this point because I refuse to believe someone is this FN dumb that they would compare Ben Simmons to Jalen Hurts.

6 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Hey, that white guy was huge vs Dallas and NY

Kenny Pickett had a 119 rating vs Dallas in the game McKee threw 4 whole passes.

Maybe he is better than Hurts now too? 🤡

In addition to not being a 6'5 250 white dude to service some people's fetishes around here,did you hear that Hurts is the Ben Simmons of QB's. He's a terrible playoff choke artist who has no heart and doesn't work hard.

45 minutes ago, RLC said:

We have reached the point where people are blaming Howie for not having an top 3 roster *every* year. Can the coaches do their job please?

No, but he screwed up with two on the team who would have stayed and helped them without spending much money. Obvious people to keep amd he deserves blame for his part.

This team is screwed, hurts is a huge problem. I’m glad I didn’t stay up to watch them lose to the creatine caucasians (sorry if anyone is offended)

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, but he screwed up with two on the team who would have stayed and helped them without spending much money. Obvious people to keep amd he deserves blame for his part.

I think you are both right. Howie made some definite mistakes this past offseason and deserves to be called out. That being said, I see plenty of coaches who get more out of the talent they have on the roster^{. Offensively our coaches are getting LESS out of the talent on the team.}

Just look around at the state of the team.

How often does this team get the ball inside their own 10 or even 5?

How often does a penalty put them in 1st and 20 or 1st and 15?

How often does a stupid penalty bring back a big play?

How often do they get 15 yard penalties? (2 more vs NY?)

Blankenship, was staring down Skattebo after a nothing tackle. Skattebo destroyed him the rest of the night. We got lucky that was not another 15 yard penalty.

How often do the refs eat the whistle on an obvious penalty on the other team?

How often do they call phantom penalties on the Eagles?

How often do rushers get a free release on the QB.

How often do the weapons find the open spot or beat their man fast when simulated pressure makes Hurts process again while the line blocks air and lets free rushers at the QB?

AJ quit on the game sealing TD vs Denver. This was seen in the play, can be seen on the replay, and as ADMITTED BY AJ HIMSELF!

What exactly did you expect on D with Q, Carter, and Smith all out of the game?

To take all of this and make it a Hurts issue is a truly bizarre form of fandom.

Mahomes lost the game last week. Josh Allen lost the game last week. Hurts lost the game this week and ONLY this week.

Jared Goff was terrible vs Green Bay. His stats were meh (like Hurts stats were good vs NY) but he could not move the ball at all.

Indiana Jones was bad vs the Rams.

Baker put the ball in Campbell's hands so the Bucs lost.

The media all protected Stafford after he threw a spinner ball pitch to his RB who fumbled it. I have never seen that in my life.

It was one of the worst QB plays I have ever seen... not a tweet, not a video, not a comment... nothing.

See the slow motion at 4:10. What the hell is he spinning the ball like that for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAGOfj2mlrc

The 312 Rams fans seem to be OK with it too.

No one is calling for the backup anywhere else.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

People also speculate "they could easily be 0-6" because of what ifs and scenarios that could have gone differently. That's a glass half empty view. The glass half full positive view is that they could have been 5-0 going into that Giants game as well, certain plays could have gone differently in the Eagles favor to make them perform better, win by a greater margin. Refs calls, dropped passes, route issues, overthrown/missed throws, bad play calls, missed tackles, almost interceptions, Carter's ejection, Dillon running into Dickerson and Mailata and exacerbating injury, Dickerson coming back too soon, Pryor initially replacing Lane instead of Fred Johnson. A lot of things could have gone even better in their favor and the wins could have been more convincing.

Most people tend to view things negatively and think about how much worse things could have been, instead of thinking positively.

Your ad hoc partial list demonstrates that there are a lot of little, but important, things that can be fixed before the Vikes game and beyond. Lots of basic stuff that is absolutely killing them, even in the games that they came out of with a W. Procedural penalties. Unsportsmanlike penalties (the only ones they should ever get are when attacking the QB; ish happens occasionally). Bad throws. Jalen has been behind guys all season; it can't be that hard to fix, can it be? Just anticipate a little bit, FFS.

Spread versus bunch. Eliminating the stupidest play in the Eagles playbook, the behind the line screen (I will cut a bish if I ever see it again), repetitively running inside zone instead of running anything to the outside. Is it because our guys are so banged up they can't pull or too much Calc in 12?

Be less predictable. Use some under center play action? And the return game is outrageously terrible and cannot be understated for how badly it hamstrings the O. Just bring up Covey and remove Bigsby?

And the all-important nine days to heal.

Finally, they really need to find a CB2. Going to have to spend. The answer is not on the team and now Q is injured. Hopefully not a serious hammy issue. Wishful thinking but is there a fair edge out there, like Z, who has contributed?

This team is not bad. But they are playing badly. Fix a few things by focusing on them ASAP and then fix some more as you go.

7 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

This team is screwed, hurts is a huge problem. I’m glad I didn’t stay up to watch them lose to the creatine caucasians (sorry if anyone is offended)

Creatine?

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Creatine?

19 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

In addition to not being a 6'5 250 white dude to service some people's fetishes around here,did you hear that Hurts is the Ben Simmons of QB's. He's a terrible playoff choke artist who has no heart and doesn't work hard.

He has had 1 truly bad game in 2 years while being named Super Bowl MVP. He had his worst game on a Thursday night vs the terrible Giants.

This was not a big game. This was a trap game. This was a nothing game. You can't choke in a nothing game. You just have a bad game.

If I think about it, Hurts probably has 3 bad games since the start of 2022 with the Jets game (bad) and Seattle (bad 4th quarter) along with this Giants game.

Words have meaning. I can also say the Mariners swept the Tigers last night. It was 3-2 but hey, everyone gets to have their own delusional reality now.

I can say LeBron is the GoaT 🤡

I can say Kershaw is a LEGEND 💩

I can say Ohtani >>> Babe Ruth 🤡💩