Hurts is a lightning rod for media agenda and ignorant Eagles fans.

McNabb was a lightning rod in the opposite direction for both.

Ignorant Eagles fans and national media worshiped that guy.

Take a look at his first 6 games in 2003 on a perennial Super Bowl contender.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00/gamelog/2003/

3 TDs to 7 picks 142 passing yards per game with a 54.8 rating. He only ran for 191 and 0 TDs.

THAT is what a bad QB looks like.

BTW 48 points with 4 TDs and no turnovers vs Arizona on Thanksgiving to 25 points , a dreadful first half with 3 TDs and 2 turnovers vs Arizona in the NFCCG is the textbook definition of..

CHOKE

Jaws in the SB

McNabb in the SB

CHOKE

37 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I think you are both right. Howie made some definite mistakes this past offseason and deserves to be called out. That being said, I see plenty of coaches who get more out of the talent they have on the roster^{. Offensively our coaches are getting LESS out of the talent on the team.}

We are absolutely lucky to have Howie. Some teams are dumpsters.

And good point. They can't even get close to the talent they have this year let alone getting more.

All the folks in here crying the season is over. Crazy

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

My opinion: Hurts has had one excellent OC in Steichen and with him he was an MVP candidate and made it to the SB where we all know he played great. Credit to Sirianni for hiring him and realizing tjat Steichen is a better OC than himself. He had a good OC in Moore where we won the SB. With competent OCs Hurts plays well. The evidence is there, plain as day.

A reminder to all of us:after Johnson as OC we screamed for an OC that used motion, that ran different plays from the same pre-set snaps, an OC that was unpredictable. We were happy with Moore because he was known for that. He moved people, he ran out of passing formations, he ran different routes from the same formations, he threw out of passing formations, he used play action pass and RPOs.

Now, we are saddled again with another OC that is the most predictable game caller in the league. Hurts, like most QBs has his limitations, and they get magnified when his OC is even more limited. When he has an OC that maximizes his attributes, of which there are many, he wins games, lots of them, and looks good to great doing it. Maybe, just maybe, Patullo should be taking the best of both Steichen and Moore and implement them. Honestly, he looks like he learned nothing from them in the years he's been here. It's like watching the Mike Boryla era of Eagles football.

No. Competent HCs were able to hide Hurts. Hurts didn't play well except for 1 season. Extreme outlier at this point. He's the issue.

Curious if Sirianni will meet with the players during this mini bye like last season and go over what they need to correct. It's one of the reasons it's annoying that people are putting everything on Patullo. Last season Sirianni met with players, they gave him their thoughts on what they need to focus on, and Sirianni made sure it was done. You can argue it's a little disconcerting that Sirianni needed to pick the brains of the players to figure that out and didn't know it himself, but I digress. Sirianni led the change.

He's the head coach, he needs to do it again this season. Get together with your guys, and YOU figure it out as the Fing head coach. Not Patullo. Not Parks Frazier. Not Scot Loeffler. You. Do your Fing job.

We felt similarly after the Bucs game last season. They came out after the bye and didn't look perfect against the Browns, but a little better. Especially on defense. Vikings are a tough spot, but they are not some great team this season. Their effort in that game after get embarrasse will speak a lot. Not feeling as confident as last season, but this team still has a lot of talent.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

We have reached the point where people are blaming Howie for not having an top 3 roster *every* year. Can the coaches do their job please?

The best move Howie made was trading for Fred Johnson, who they could have just resigned anyway.

Every other move he made this year has been terrible.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Losing Becton wasn't just about losing him, it was also about losing Steen as a backup. Howie never replaced him which for him is and his track record is very surprising. I guess we can add Pryor to the list of terrible signings this past offseason.

Yep, if they still had Becton, I'd imagine Dickerson is forced to sit and they put Steen at LG while Dickerson gets healthy.

I know we have to be smart with our decisions, but no way Toth, Pryor, Ringo, and A Jackson are the best we can do at their respective roles. There’s too many players from the draft, UDFA, free agency, etc that can be the same investment for more competence.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The best move Howie made was trading for Fred Johnson, who they could have just resigned anyway.

Every other move he made this year has been terrible.

Jihaad Campbell in RD1. Not extending Becton. CJGJ trade was a positive because of cap space. Za'Darius Smith contract was good.

Did we have misses? Of course. But again, every team is going to whiff on some players in the off-season. If your GM has to hit on every transaction, your coaches suck.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

People also speculate "they could easily be 0-6" because of what ifs and scenarios that could have gone differently. That's a glass half empty view. The glass half full positive view is that they could have been 5-0 going into that Giants game as well, certain plays could have gone differently in the Eagles favor to make them perform better, win by a greater margin. Refs calls, dropped passes, route issues, overthrown/missed throws, bad play calls, missed tackles, almost interceptions, Carter's ejection, Dillon running into Dickerson and Mailata and exacerbating injury, Dickerson coming back too soon, Pryor initially replacing Lane instead of Fred Johnson. A lot of things could have gone even better in their favor and the wins could have been more convincing.

Most people tend to view things negatively and think about how much worse things could have been, instead of thinking positively.

They have been out gained in every game and have a -1 point differential. I don’t think it’s pessimistic to say they over achieved. If it was any other team in the NFL everyone would be saying "frauds/paper tigers/smoke and mirrors record”

5 hours ago, DaBirds said:

Yeah I’m not buying that. He doesn’t look nearly as explosive or elusive as he did last year.

The Oline hasn’t been great but there are plenty of run downs where Dillon has picked up a good chunk of yards and didn’t run directly into a linebacker immediately. And like I said the Eagles don’t pass a lot compared to other teams. 3rd and 10 can be a run down.

Theres no reason Barkley should be averaging 3 yrs per

Plenty? Chunk? One run of 11 yards, one of 9, one of 8. Other than that he’s averaging 2.4 ypc.

9 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Seth is right.

17 minutes ago, just relax said:

Plenty? Chunk? One run of 11 yards, one of 9, one of 8. Other than that he’s averaging 2.4 ypc.

What is the issue in your opinion then?

Is it simply the line play? Combination of a few things? Bad luck?

(Sorry if you posted about it and I missed it)

18 minutes ago, just relax said:

Seth is right.

Oh I guess I could have looked one post up

2 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Hurts is a lightning rod for media agenda and ignorant Eagles fans.

McNabb was a lightning rod in the opposite direction for both.

Ignorant Eagles fans and national media worshiped that guy.

Take a look at his first 6 games in 2003 on a perennial Super Bowl contender.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00/gamelog/2003/

3 TDs to 7 picks 142 passing yards per game with a 54.8 rating. He only ran for 191 and 0 TDs.

THAT is what a bad QB looks like.

BTW 48 points with 4 TDs and no turnovers vs Arizona on Thanksgiving to 25 points , a dreadful first half with 3 TDs and 2 turnovers vs Arizona in the NFCCG is the textbook definition of..

CHOKE

Well thanks for bringing that up, my dog was hit and killed when I was a kid do you wanna talk about that ...😉

37 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Frankly, I don’t think he shouldve been playing as soon as he was off major back surgery. Imo don’t think you’re going to see the best of Jurgens until 2026 when he’s had more time for it to heal and get back closer to what he was. Imo I think some part of the thought process in drafting Kendall was is Jurgens gonna be ready to start the season and hold up with that back. If he’s not, we like Kendall as a prospect and think can play sooner rather than later and do so at a competent level. Plus he is a solid prospect and gives us 4 cheap years too

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

FWIW, Kelce had a fantastic start to his career and then had the exact same problem. It helps to be between two top guards…then the mobility and lack of size is an asset.

Jurgens has had crap guard play to his left and a guy who holds his own in pass pro but gets driven back to his right.

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly, I don’t think he shouldve been playing as soon as he was off major back surgery. Imo don’t think you’re going to see the best of Jurgens until 2026 when he’s had more time for it to heal and get back closer to what he was. Imo I think some part of the thought process in drafting Kendall was is Jurgens gonna be ready to start the season and hold up with that back. If he’s not, we like Kendall as a prospect and think can play sooner rather than later and do so at a competent level. Plus he is a solid prospect and gives us 4 cheap years too

We also have Willie Lampkin on IR.....don't sleep on that guy.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

No. Competent HCs were able to hide Hurts. Hurts didn't play well except for 1 season. Extreme outlier at this point. He's the issue.

Sad because AJ is gonna be the one to take the heat. A lot of trade rumors starting to heat up.

Just now, jwill2420 said:

Sad because AJ is gonna be the one to take the heat. A lot of trade rumors starting to heat up.

Seems it cant possibly happen this season.

In the offseason, Im ok with trading Brown for a different, more important position. Like an OL or a CB2.

It has nothing to do with being upset with Brown. Mainly, we shouldnt need so much elite talent at the skill positions to not even function on offense. Or even to function on offense either.

Im onboard with reallocating some of the spending.

Also, you have to feel for Brown wasting his career with this QB. He deserves to move on and accomplish other goals especially after getting his ring.

Im prepared to see the offense with Smith as a #1 WR, and maybe draft another in the first 3 rounds. Heck, Metchie and Dotson would even round out a nice 1 through 3 WR corps. A lot of QBs in this league would do a lot of damage with those 3 options to throw to.

11 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

We also have Willie Lampkin on IR.....don't sleep on that guy.

Rooting for that guy.

So, this isn’t even a take. So don’t get your collective panties in a twist. Just thinking out loud. But I wonder if drafting Campbell round 1 was just the wrong way to allocate resources. We all loved how transformational Baun was to the defense last year. But he got his money AND we put a 1st round pick into that position. A position which was neglected for years…but maybe it was over neglected, yet neglected for a reason.

This defense needs edge rushers and CB2 and has poor safety play right now. Yet we’ve got an off ball LB on a big contract in Baun, a really good one in Dean, a first round pick in Campbell, and two at least half decent young prospects in Trotter and Mondon.

How much marginal benefit is Campbell ever really going to provide this defense?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

So, this isn’t even a take. So don’t get your collective panties in a twist. Just thinking out loud. But I wonder if drafting Campbell round 1 was just the wrong way to allocate resources. We all loved how transformational Baun was to the defense last year. But he got his money AND we put a 1st round pick into that position. A position which was neglected for years…but maybe it was over neglected, yet neglected for a reason.

This defense needs edge rushers and CB2 and has poor safety play right now. Yet we’ve got an off ball LB on a big contract in Baun, a really good one in Dean, a first round pick in Campbell, and two at least half decent young prospects in Trotter and Mondon.

How much marginal benefit is Campbell ever really going to provide this defense?

Not marginal at all, so thats a false premise.

However, you can begin to say it was wrong if Nolan Smith and Hunt prove they can not take the next step as pass rushers. So jury is still out on that.

Then again, we can still address the edge spot this year, or next offseason, improve there and still love the fact that we also have Campbell.

Im good with a super bowl appearance every 2 or 3 years. I dont need it all to work out immediately.

I think we can be spending a heck of a lot less on skill positions considering the marginal contributions we get there. And we can spend a hell of a lot less on QB considering the production we get there too. That needs to go back to getting younger and healthier, and more physical on the OL, and rebuilding the DL to get more physical.