1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It seems cheap to be able to spike a ball at the feet of a back who was engaged in a block to avoid grounding, but it's also weird that more QBs don't do that.

I literally just commented something similar to that. That rule allows for that and you know Goff only threw it to the ground so he could avoid the sack. Happens Montgomery was in the area.

Just now, Swoop said:

With a running game that was historic and the best defense in football, yes. We can bank on that each year if you'd like, but I'm not holding my breath. He showed he can win in a perfect scenario so as long as we can have that we're golden.

No kidding. The offense has had similar issues for years now, but sure, Hurts was making it up 🙄

Oh ok, so there were some additional qualifications on that doom. Like in 2023, with a competent OC, and a less competent DC, we were doomed to almost win it all without the historic running and best defense in football. Nothing spells doom like losing the super bowl by 3 pts.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh ok, so there were some additional qualifications on that doom. Like in 2023, with a competent OC, and a less competent DC, we were doomed to almost win it without the historic running and best defense in football. Nothing spells doom like losing the super bowl by 3 pts.

So we didn't win?

Thanks for clarifying.

We did when the rushing attack was historic and we had the number 1 defense?

Just checking.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

So we didn't win?

Thanks for clarifying.

We did when the rushing attack was historic and we had the number 1 defense?

Just checking.

So when we lose the super bowl by a slim margin during a game and overall season that Hurts played well, it's all his fault that we were doomed.

But when we do win and he gets SB MVP, it's the running game and defense that's the reason. It's a team sport when we win, but an individual sport when we lose, apparently. And you tried to tell someone else to sit this out because they were out of their element?

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I literally just commented something similar to that. That rule allows for that and you know Goff only threw it to the ground so he could avoid the sack. Happens Montgomery was in the area.

That NFL hates common sense.

Throwing at the feet of a lineman with no one around is as intentional as intentional ground gets but because it doesn't fit the definition in the rule book, it's not. Meanwhile QBs who try to get the ball downfield while avoiding pressure and a receiver isn't close enough fits the definition so it's a penalty.

How does the spotter not make kelce get checked after that?

Mahomes is such a chode

Taunting by mahommes? He pointed and made a gesture at the defender?

Both these teams playing with a ton of energy, passion, drive and excitement- the Eagles need to get back to that.

Just now, tuffstuff07 said:

Taunting by mahommes? He pointed and made a gesture at the defender?

Exactly! Lack of consistency as usual.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

That NFL hates common sense.

Throwing at the feet of a lineman with no one around is as intentional as intentional ground gets but because it doesn't fit the definition in the rule book, it's not. Meanwhile QBs who try to get the ball downfield while avoiding pressure and a receiver isn't close enough fits the definition so it's a penalty.

Instead of the NFL non-stop trying to ban the tush push, thy should all be in on trying to re-write that rule. I’ve hated how that rule has been written for a while. I think it’s poorly written and you know when someone (like Goff) is purposefully throwing it to someone and when they just abuse how the rule is written.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So when we lose the super bowl by a slim margin during a game and overall season that Hurts played well, it's all his fault that we were doomed.

But when we do win and he gets SB MVP, it's the running game and defense that's the reason. It's a team sport when we win, but an individual sport when we lose, apparently. And you tried to tell someone else to sit this out because they were out of their element?

Don’t bother.

It’s a disorder - I call it,

"Hurts derangement syndrome”

H.D.S. for short.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So when we lose the super bowl by a slim margin during a game and overall season that Hurts played well, it's all his fault that we were doomed.

But when we do win and he gets SB MVP, it's the running game and defense. And you tried to tell someone else to sit this out because they were out of their element?

When did I say it was all his fault? This would be easier if you didn't pull things out of your ass. The defense couldn't get off of the field the second half. Everyone knows that.

Was he able to elevate the team to win the championship? No.

Did he win a championship with less than a stacked roster? No.

He played well in our last Superbowl. The defense also got a pick 6, blanked a HOFer and gave him short fields. KC was pissing their pants and sold out to stop Saquon from going off...as he did the entire season.

But sure, Hurts has been a proven gamer that can consistently shoulder the load and carry teams to victory when they don't show up. The 0-8 showing in the second half against the Bucs was particularly impressive.

A lot of people forget because so many things went wrong in 2023, but remember throughout the season even when the Eagles were winning, every game Hurts looked miserable. Coming off the field looking miserable, shaking his head after plays, sighing after every drive, etc. That was the last season our WR duo put up monster numbers. Then in 2024 the offense changes to the heaviest run team in the NFL and Hurts is all smiles all season and then suddenly AJ Brown is miserable.

Then you have Hurts saying publicly the offense is how Jalen Hurts wants it to look.

I’ve been wondering if this "beef”(whatever it is) between AJ Brown and Hurts is that the offense before 2024 was the way that the WRs wanted it to be run. And Hurts complained that he can’t have success in that kind of offense so they changed the offense to the way he wants it, and that meant a more simplified offense built around the run with different route combinations and where the WRs are now getting the ball less.

May not have anything to do with the discontent that’s been long on with the WRs, but I remembered today how miserable Hurts was in 2023, how dominant the WRs that season were(even though the season sucked) and since then Hurts has been all smiles all the time, but now the WRs are miserable and the WRs aren’t dominating like they used to. Wonder if that’s pure coincidence or if it’s all connected.

Just now, Swoop said:

When did I say it was all his fault? This would be easier if you didn't pull things out of your ass.

When you said it didn't matter who the OC was because we are doomed with Hurts as QB. Those are your words, not mine.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

Been watching football all day, so many of these teams are playing with energy and joy. Our team on the other hand is a f'in misery, even when we were 4-0.

That blame has to fall on Siri as a HC, the culture he has built has turned toxic.

Calling the culture toxic is a little dramatic right now.

Yeah things aren't great at the moment. Losing a couple in a row can do that. But we've been here before and they've turned things around. There is still time. AJ does his Twitter quote and complaining every year and they get thru it. They've also been dealing with injuries to key players so that's something they have to overcome as well.

Things might not be great at the moment but I wouldn't call it anywhere near toxic.

Miami is probably a good example of a toxic locker room and the Eagles are nothing close to that.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

When you said it didn't matter who the OC was because we are doomed with Hurts as QB. Those are your words, not mine.

What I said was the OC is doomed when the QB can't play consistently and misses layups.

The last two weeks were an example of this.

2023 is another example. All time collapse, was it?

To clarify I know the defense was hot garbage, but Hurts didn't exactly set the world on fire either

just as a pure hypothetical and i don’t think this is going to be the case, if the offense doesn’t turn around this year and it’s like this all year. And then they go out , they hire new offensive coordinator in the offseason and it looks similarly dysfunctional. how long do you think lurie stays with sirianni? Doug got 3 years and the wheels really had to completely fall off. IMO i think lurie would see as far superior in terms of talent to where they were when 2020 happened with Doug.

29 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Oh I know but its one of the biggest ones.

He's also just a terrible coach.

30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It seems cheap to be able to spike a ball at the feet of a back who was engaged in a block to avoid grounding, but it's also weird that more QBs don't do that.

Yup. And, frankly it's ugly. It's outside, imo, the intention of the rules, but by the letter of the rule perfectly legal. The spike directly into the ground immediately to stop the clock is actually in violation of the grounding rule, but they made a new rule to allow it. The NFL needs to build a better case if they want to ban the Tush Push because there are a lot of more ridiculous things that they don't want to ban that they should consider.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's also just a terrible coach.

I’m not a Penn State fan. But I’m fascinated to know who they are going after. That is a major buyout. $50 million even for Penn State is a big-time buyout. I have got to imagine they have somebody in mind. do not think they were buying out James Franklin without having someone in mind and some knowledge if they could get him to come there. And I like Matt rhule and seen him mentioned. I like rhule but still feels like most PSU fans would be underwhelmed by that hire. Tbh don’t really blame them

26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So when we lose the super bowl by a slim margin during a game and overall season that Hurts played well, it's all his fault that we were doomed.

But when we do win and he gets SB MVP, it's the running game and defense that's the reason. It's a team sport when we win, but an individual sport when we lose, apparently. And you tried to tell someone else to sit this out because they were out of their element?

Not to jump in the full argument, but using the SB MVP to assert Hurts is a bit weak. He wasn't the best player that particular day. It likely should have been given to the entire defensive front, and if not them... then to Josh Sweat individually. But this is a QB centric league and any other position, let alone a defender, getting an MVP any more is just a crazy idea.

That said, that's not to diminish what Hurts did do that game. He was great, but the defensive front was significantly greater and in a different era one of them get the MVP over Hurts.

Don’t need to see the lions in Super Bowl cause this is what it would be

6 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Don’t need to see the lions in Super Bowl cause this is what it would be

This week and next week is a big test for them (Bucs). Only good team they played this year was GB. GB spanked them. They’ve beaten up on the 1-5 ravens, 1-5 browns, 2-2 bears and 2-4 bengals

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not a Penn State fan. But I’m fascinated to know who they are going after. That is a major buyout. $50 million even for Penn State is a big-time buyout. I have got to imagine they have somebody in mind. do not think they were buying out James Franklin without having someone in mind and some knowledge if they could get him to come there. And I like Matt rhule and seen him mentioned. I like rhule but still feels like most PSU fans would be underwhelmed by that hire. Tbh don’t really blame them

Rhule Is a PSU guy so they might be looking at him. It's possible, even probable. But I am hoping for someone else. Although he did turn around Temple and make them respectable, respectable is not the goal in Happy Valley. Al Golden is another PSU guy, but would be equally underwhelming.

If they want a former psu guy, Matt Diaz is likely near the top of the list. But he's a defensive guy and their defense hasn't been their problem. So maybe they go for the guy from IU or maybe Iowa St. It should be interesting.