11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Seems CB2 makes the most sense though, as that was basically the 1 roster weakness coming in to the season.

Edge makes some sense, because they are disappointing. But, Nolan Smith is injured. And they can all be helped by a healthy Jalen Carter as well.

They already have WR4. I dont think anyone will be trading a KR. And I dont think theyll consider safety.

I agree.

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You said fired, but Sirianni didn't get fired. First it was "doomed", and then "fired", and both are objectively false. I'm starting to figure out the issue though, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the words you're trying to use.

The discussion was how his play and refusal to have the offense altered, allegedly, impacts OCs. Those are two, potentially three examples (depending on how the season ends up) in the last few seasons. The terminology of fired, demoted, etc is meaningless because it all illustrates the same point.

I didn't think this needed to be explained, but here we are.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

yes. You have 1 extreme outlier year. Good point.

Oh so the goal posts moved from "Steichen got promoted no thanks to Hurts" to "it was one extreme outlier year."

You guys must've enjoyed watching that title run last year so, so much.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I agree.

CB2- might not be what helps most this season. But, best move considering the actual need long term, vs just a 1 season band-aid need for an underperforming team.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh so the goal posts moved from "Steichen got promoted no thanks to Hurts" to "it was one extreme outlier year."

You guys must've enjoyed watching that title run last year so, so much.

goalposts have not moved. Its been said many times.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

The terminology of fired, demoted, etc is meaningless because it all illustrates

Only meaningless to someone struggling to understand their meaning instead of using more appropriate terms to make a coherent argument.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Only meaningless to someone struggling to understand their meaning instead of using more appropriate terms to make a coherent argument.

If you think Hurts is a good QB youre on the losing side no matter what semantics games you want to hide behind.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Only meaningless to someone struggling to understand their meaning instead of using more appropriate terms to make a coherent argument.

See above. You're playing a little game and struggling to keep up

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you think Hurts is a good QB youre on the losing side no matter what semantics games you want to hide behind.

He played well enough to win it all in 2022 but was let down by the defense, and good enough to win it last year when we had a better defense. It would be one thing for you guys to simply say something to the effect of "he's a good but not great QB who needs a good OC in place to have success in leading the offense, and when he doesn't have that, he can't overcome it and put the offense on his shoulders consistently enough in a way that other elite QBs have shown like Burrow, Allen, etc."

But you guys can't possibly bring yourself to do that, so we're stuck with hearing incredibly dumb arguments like "every OC has been doomed", "he makes every OC look bad", and "they're all handcuffed because of him."

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

See above. You're playing a little game and struggling to keep up

If using words correctly and being coherent when making my points is now called "playing a little game", then sure, that's what I'm doing.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He played well enough to win it all in 2022 but was let down by the defense, and good enough to win it last year when we had a better defense. It would be one thing for you guys to simply say something to the effect of "he's a good but not great QB who needs a good OC in place to have success in leading the offense, and when he doesn't have that, he can't overcome it and put the offense on his shoulders consistently enough in a way that other elite QBs have shown like Burrow, Allen, etc."

But you guys can't possibly bring yourself to do that, so we're stuck with hearing incredibly dumb arguments like "every OC has been doomed", "he makes every OC look bad", and "they're all handcuffed because of him."

Those things are all true.

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yes. You have 1 extreme outlier year. Good point.

Defenses adjust, players age, the NFL is constantly changing - the 2022 formula likely wouldn’t work if Steichen was the OC here today.

What's funny about all of this:

All I said initially was that it's refreshing that people on the board were starting to see his limitations.

That's it. I never said he was trash. I never said he couldn't win a SB in the right circumstance. I never said he was the lone reason we've lost. Nothing.

People truly cannot handle any criticism of him and it's alarming

In fact most of what I've said about him this season until last night hasn't been all that critical.

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

CB2- might not be what helps most this season. But, best move considering the actual need long term, vs just a 1 season band-aid need for an underperforming team.

Well, I'd be fine with a mediocre band-aid for a 5th or something if that is all that is out there. If we can find a guy for longer term then of course that would be optimal. What I don't want to do is bring someone in at Edge/DE who ends up breaking the bank. I'd rather draft someone in that spot and hope that the Smiths can be decent over the 2nd half of the year. I also expect more of Baun/Campbell lining up at the Edge spot for some reps once Dean is really back.

Just now, Swoop said:

What's funny about all of this:

All I said initially was that it's refreshing that people on the board were starting to see his limitations.

That's it. I never said he was trash. I never said he couldn't win a SB in the right circumstance. I never said he was the lone reason we've lost. Nothing.

People truly cannot handle any criticism of him and it's alarming

Don’t engage with the straw man arguments, or more importantly don’t leave yourself open to them.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Don’t engage with the straw man arguments, or more importantly don’t leave yourself open to them.

It's all good. I post when work is slow or I want to kill time.

You can tell some people truly feel hurt from an internet forum though 😂

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Don’t engage with the straw man arguments, or more importantly don’t leave yourself open to them.

If this is directed at me, please point out the straw man argument I constructed.

14 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

If we don’t right the ship on these next two games serious hell is coming

I think a big part of it is the health of the team and o-line in particular. The problem on top of that is the playcalling and coaching. I don't know how much of it is Hurts vs. Patullo but I think Hurts is a smaller issue than Patullo.

6 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

One quiet trade that could be done is for OG cover. CB may be a more obvious need, but the impact on IOL of having someone who can set the tone, would make a visible impact.

I don't think there's a player available and the issue is that an offensive lineman needs time to learn the plays and players next to them. I agree IOL is a need but I just don't think there's an effective way to address it in season. You could sign Larry Allen and he would still be prone to mistakes that would be a negative.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

If this is directed at me, please point out the straw man argument I constructed.

Idk - more generally arguments like Jalen sucks or Jalen is great and everyone else sucks lack nuance.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Idk - more generally arguments like Jalen sucks or Jalen is great and everyone else sucks lack nuance.

We have actual examples of someone saying Jalen is not a good QB, that he makes every OC look bad, and every OC that works with him is doomed, but I don't recall where I or anyone else that engaged with Swoop said Jalen is great and everyone else sucks.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We have actual examples of someone saying Jalen is not a good QB, that he makes every OC look bad, and every OC that works with him is doomed, but I don't recall where I or anyone else that engaged with Swoop said Jalen is great and everyone else sucks.

I just illustrated an example of a strawman and now you want to argue that with me? No thanks, I’ll take my own advice.

There are only 3 or 4 QBs (Mahomes, Burrow, Allen) who you can just plug into any good O and end up with a SB potential team. Hurts isn't one of those. On the other hand, there are only another couple (maybe Mayfair, Stafford) that you could count on to take a loaded O like the Eagles, get to, and win the SB. I wouldn't want the likes of Hebert, Dak, Love, Tua, Lawrence, Lamar, Goff, or Murray at the helm over Hurts with this team.

Yes, Hurts is flawed but he can take this team and win championships and is clutch in doing so as he has proven a couple of times now. If we get to a stage where we no longer have a dominant OL when healthy then my opinion can certainly change. In the meantime, you know the saying, a bird in the hand...

Random but was there any truth to the rumors that Lurie was actually very much involved in analytics and had a big influence on what the team did? Was that like a conspiracy theory or something?

If not I was wondering if maybe that had something to do with why the Eagles don’t run certain plays or scheme a certain way. Like not stealing bases in Money Ball. 😂

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think a big part of it is the health of the team and o-line in particular. The problem on top of that is the playcalling and coaching. I don't know how much of it is Hurts vs. Patullo but I think Hurts is a smaller issue than Patullo.

I don't think there's a player available and the issue is that an offensive lineman needs time to learn the plays and players next to them. I agree IOL is a need but I just don't think there's an effective way to address it in season. You could sign Larry Allen and he would still be prone to mistakes that would be a negative.

That's why I'd see if MB would be available if we traded Steen.

Just now, DaBirds said:

Random but was there any truth to the rumors that Lurie was actually very much involved in analytics and had a big influence on what the team did? Was that like a conspiracy or something?

If not I was wondering if maybe that had something to do with why the Eagles don’t run certain plays or scheme a certain way. Like not stealing bases in Money Ball. 😂

Was it Siri or Doug or both, that Lurie would meet with weekly and grill about the state of the offense?