1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Alright, wait a minute... Most OCs will get promoted to Head Coach in the National Football League? Is that what you're claiming?

No, that's not what I meant. I mean I think most OC will be promoted to HC after coaching Jalen for a short time as a result of what I said if they're successful.

Philly sports is so back.

10 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Rhule Is a PSU guy so they might be looking at him. It's possible, even probable. But I am hoping for someone else. Although he did turn around Temple and make them respectable, respectable is not the goal in Happy Valley. Al Golden is another PSU guy, but would be equally underwhelming.

If they want a former psu guy, Matt Diaz is likely near the top of the list. But he's a defensive guy and their defense hasn't been their problem. So maybe they go for the guy from IU or maybe Iowa St. It should be interesting.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He played well enough to win it all in 2022 but was let down by the defense, and good enough to win it last year when we had a better defense. It would be one thing for you guys to simply say something to the effect of "he's a good but not great QB who needs a good OC in place to have success in leading the offense, and when he doesn't have that, he can't overcome it and put the offense on his shoulders consistently enough in a way that other elite QBs have shown like Burrow, Allen, etc."

But you guys can't possibly bring yourself to do that, so we're stuck with hearing incredibly dumb arguments like "every OC has been doomed", "he makes every OC look bad", and "they're all handcuffed because of him."

I think it's true he can't overcome mediocre or worse OCs. But, nobody really can consistently. Maybe for a game, or a block of games, but football is such at team sport that one lousy component can derail it. My point has been and will continue to be this: Steichen's offense was the one he thrived in. Why don't our internal hires at OC who both worked closely with Steichen use that offense? I understand Moore, but Johnson and Patullo I don't get. OCs matter. Designing plays that fit your talent is critical.

I think it is fair to say Hurts is pretty successful at running the RPO. In the two SB seasons the Eagle were in the top of the league % of running RPOs.

This season the Eagles are currently 20th in RPO percentage. Knowing Hurts is most effective and thereby the offense as a whole being more effective, why make such a drastic change? Coach to players strengths. Patullo is obviously not doing that and we are hearing player frustration possibly due to this. The players know what works and Patullo is refusing to do it.

Honestly, I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

I suspect Hurts saying that this is the offense he wants to run is in part to protect Patullo, a guy who has likely become a close colleague. They have worked together for Hurts entire NFL career. Hurts won't publicly throw him under the bus. Also could Brown be referring to the severe drop in RPO when he quoted the Bible? Conjecture on my end for sure, but I don't think it is entirely impossible.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Once again, to date, only Brian Johnson has been fired as OC, and he's currently the passing game coordinator for the Commanders. If he were also a competent OC, we'd see him work his way back up to position coach and then OC, and then would have to lead an offense to some level of success. Maybe he'll get there, maybe you have faith that he will, but I don't based on what I saw on the field two years ago. We'll find out at some point if Brian Johnson is or isn't a competent offensive mind.

Yeah, that's kind of the thing. There's really not much of a way to figure out with a lot of these situations whether it's competency or not because there's no comparison line for anything. Jalen hurts doesn't get injured (which is good), so there's no chance to see the offense in normal gameplans with a backup that gets the benefit of practice time. Brian Johnson is Passing Game Coordinator, which varies too heavily and is mostly behind closed doors, so his involvement is questionable. What will happen to Jayden Daniels if he becomes OC? Is that even possible, since I'm not sure if Kingsbury will ever get another chance as a HC somewhere?

For better or worse, there's just not a lot of comparisons to be made because we don't have an obvious comparison to make. But like I said, we do know that Hurts' skillset doesn't seem to mesh well with some of the basic fundamentals that average offensive minds rely upon for success. Creativity is basically required.

4 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

No, that's not what I meant. I mean I think most OC will be promoted to HC after coaching Jalen for a short time as a result of what I said if they're successful.

Your post was perfectly clear...

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Your post was perfectly clear...

Mhm, but I clarified anyway.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The first play and holding the ball for 5 seconds kind of gives it away

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Philly sports is so back.

WIP must be electric.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There are only 3 or 4 QBs (Mahomes, Burrow, Allen) who you can just plug into any good O and end up with a SB potential team. Hurts isn't one of those. On the other hand, there are only another couple (maybe Mayfair, Stafford) that you could count on to take a loaded O like the Eagles, get to, and win the SB. I wouldn't want the likes of Hebert, Dak, Love, Tua, Lawrence, Lamar, Goff, or Murray at the helm over Hurts with this team.

Yes, Hurts is flawed but he can take this team and win championships and is clutch in doing so as he has proven a couple of times now. If we get to a stage where we no longer have a dominant OL when healthy then my opinion can certainly change. In the meantime, you know the saying, a bird in the hand...

He is a QB you can win with if everything he needs is around him starting with a good OC. What he isn't is a guy who can carry the offense without a run game, without a real threat of him running, with a bad OC, etc. Throw in the fact that the middle of the field is almost unavailable because of his height on top of those other things and it's problematic.

8 minutes ago, Swoop said:

What's funny about all of this:

All I said initially was that it's refreshing that people on the board were starting to see his limitations.

That's it. I never said he was trash. I never said he couldn't win a SB in the right circumstance. I never said he was the lone reason we've lost. Nothing.

People truly cannot handle any criticism of him and it's alarming

In fact most of what I've said about him this season until last night hasn't been all that critical.

What blog do you visit where you see Hurts defended like he has no limitations?

On 10/11/2025 at 11:47 AM, NOTW said:

People also speculate "they could easily be 0-6" because of what ifs and scenarios that could have gone differently. That's a glass half empty view. The glass half full positive view is that they could have been 5-0 going into that Giants game as well, certain plays could have gone differently in the Eagles favor to make them perform better, win by a greater margin. Refs calls, dropped passes, route issues, overthrown/missed throws, bad play calls, missed tackles, almost interceptions, Carter's ejection, Dillon running into Dickerson and Mailata and exacerbating injury, Dickerson coming back too soon, Pryor initially replacing Lane instead of Fred Johnson. A lot of things could have gone even better in their favor and the wins could have been more convincing.

Most people tend to view things negatively and think about how much worse things could have been, instead of thinking positively.

A few different ball bounces and they could be 0-0-6.

I leave the country for a week and everything falls apart.

What has been the general consensus here on the offense?

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He is a QB you can win with if everything he needs is around him starting with a good OC. What he isn't is a guy who can carry the offense without a run game, without a real threat of him running, with a bad OC, etc. Throw in the fact that the middle of the field is almost unavailable because of his height on top of those other things and it's problematic.

I may get roasted for saying this but if the organization has good reason to believe that their 255 mil QB needs solid coaching and talent behind him, then why promote from within coming off a very impressive SB run where you had an experienced OC? Especially when you just went through that issue back in 2023 and thankfully Vic and Moore were here to help turn it around quickly and get us back on top. Howie and Nick deserve just as much blame as Hurts does.

Yes we need to be better in the trenches, but why make things that much harder by experimenting with a team that is built to win now with premier talent? Just doesn't make sense.

25 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I recognized the TD pass to Zuccini in Tampa two years ago. That’s how I guessed it.

12 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And if they win in '22, he's the SB MVP by a mile so it's a distinction without a difference in a debate about whether the OC is doomed when he's "handcuffed" to Hurts.

Like I said, I didn't want to dip into the full conversation, just pointing out the SB MVP thing doesn't add much weight. And they didn't win in '22, partly because of his unforced error. He was better than Mahomes in that game, but he wasn't good enough. It was a one possession game and he made the only turnover in that game and it turned directly into 7 points. People say that he outplayed Mahomes that night, I don't see it that way. He put up more passing yards, but that alone doesn't mean he outplayed him. Brady outgained Foles in SB LII, but I wouldn't say he outplayed him. Mahomes only had about 180 yards passing, but 3 TDs and no turnovers. Hurts had over 300 yards passing, but only 1 TD and the big turnover that could be seen as the difference in the game. If the Eagles had won that game, sure, he's the MVP. But, that's not really a major feather anymore. QBs of the winning team get the MVP by default, unless some other player does something super human. Last 20 years, 14 QBs have won. Its not as high as NFL. MVP, but its trending that way quickly.

The OC doomed statement is just ludicrous. I agree with that. Good OCs have had success with Hurts. Bad OCs have flopped. What Hurts is, is a guy that is dependent on his OC. He doesn't scuttle good ones, and he doesn't elevate bad ones. We see what Steichen is doing in Indy with Daniel Jones. He's a really good coach. Moore is in a tough spot in New Orleans, but has a long enough track record as an OC elsewhere, that I see him as a very good OC as well. Johnson might belong in NCAA if he wants to be an OC. Patullo is likely best served as a guy on a staff as an assistant but definitely not as the play caller. Maybe its too early in the process for him to pull the plug, but at the same time, they can't wait too long to make some sort of major adjustment. He seems grossly overmatched.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Like I said, I didn't want to dip into the full conversation, just pointing out the SB MVP thing doesn't add much weight. And they didn't win in '22, partly because of his unforced error. He was better than Mahomes in that game, but he wasn't good enough. It was a one possession game and he made the only turnover in that game and it turned directly into 7 points. People say that he outplayed Mahomes that night, I don't see it that way. He put up more passing yards, but that alone doesn't mean he outplayed him. Brady outgained Foles in SB LII, but I wouldn't say he outplayed him. Mahomes only had about 180 yards passing, but 3 TDs and no turnovers. Hurts had over 300 yards passing, but only 1 TD and the big turnover that could be seen as the difference in the game. If the Eagles had won that game, sure, he's the MVP. But, that's not really a major feather anymore. QBs of the winning team get the MVP by default, unless some other player does something super human. Last 20 years, 14 QBs have won. Its not as high as NFL. MVP, but its trending that way quickly.

The OC doomed statement is just ludicrous. I agree with that. Good OCs have had success with Hurts. Bad OCs have flopped. What Hurts is, is a guy that is dependent on his OC. He doesn't scuttle good ones, and he doesn't elevate bad ones. We see what Steichen is doing in Indy with Daniel Jones. He's a really good coach. Moore is in a tough spot in New Orleans, but has a long enough track record as an OC elsewhere, that I see him as a very good OC as well. Johnson might belong in NCAA if he wants to be an OC. Patullo is likely best served as a guy on a staff as an assistant but definitely not as the play caller. Maybe its too early in the process for him to pull the plug, but at the same time, they can't wait too long to make some sort of major adjustment. He seems grossly overmatched.

If you guys can't see how good OCs have to dumb down their systems because of Hurts....

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think it's true he can't overcome mediocre or worse OCs. But, nobody really can consistently. Maybe for a game, or a block of games, but football is such at team sport that one lousy component can derail it. My point has been and will continue to be this: Steichen's offense was the one he thrived in. Why don't our internal hires at OC who both worked closely with Steichen use that offense? I understand Moore, but Johnson and Patullo I don't get. OCs matter. Designing plays that fit your talent is critical.

I think it is fair to say Hurts is pretty successful at running the RPO. In the two SB seasons the Eagle were in the top of the league % of running RPOs.

This season the Eagles are currently 20th in RPO percentage. Knowing Hurts is most effective and thereby the offense as a whole being more effective, why make such a drastic change? Coach to players strengths. Patullo is obviously not doing that and we are hearing player frustration possibly due to this. The players know what works and Patullo is refusing to do it.

Honestly, I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

I suspect Hurts saying that this is the offense he wants to run is in part to protect Patullo, a guy who has likely become a close colleague. They have worked together for Hurts entire NFL career. Hurts won't publicly throw him under the bus. Also could Brown be referring to the severe drop in RPO when he quoted the Bible? Conjecture on my end for sure, but I don't think it is entirely impossible.

So Hurts has limitations and doesn't do certain things well. I don't think those are necessarily throwing to only hitch routes. Barkley catches a TD on a wheel route which they ran a fair amount last season and it doesn't come out until game 5 this season. The lack of RPOs is also problematic.

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I recognized the TD pass to Zuccini in Tampa two years ago. That’s how I guessed it.

Can't you tell just by the slow throwing motion?

9 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

So that explains why he made a bee-line for him. That's JuJu. He loves to blind side guys. In the meantime, going after him after the game is bush league by Branch. And he was obvious in going straight after JuJu. JuJu also escalated things by going right back after him. Both are wrong. Both should be fined, and likely suspended for their actions. I think Branch should get slightly more than JuJu because he did his nonsense after it was all over. JuJu was at least during a play. Not that it forgives it, but it does change is slightly.

38 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I suspect Hurts saying that this is the offense he wants to run is in part to protect Patullo

He said this before Patullo was the OC, though

Hurts is good, but the things about Hurts is he may only be good in a specific kind of system. But we don't even know that yet because they won't try him in a different system. I hope next season they do that and let him show just how good he is. If he can't handle it, then we'll have a better idea where he ranks as a QB. And if he can handle it, I think he'll be even better than he has been. Because he plays in probably the least QB friendly system in the NFL.

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you guys can't see how good OCs have to dumb down their systems because of Hurts....

It's you that is blind. One time in the past decade he's had the same play caller for 2 consecutive seasons and he's a leader in the league MVP race. He's learning a new offense every year. Consistency matters. A lack of it hurts, no pun intended.

Some rumblings that Za'Darius Smith is retiring.

51 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He is a QB you can win with if everything he needs is around him starting with a good OC. What he isn't is a guy who can carry the offense without a run game, without a real threat of him running, with a bad OC, etc. Throw in the fact that the middle of the field is almost unavailable because of his height on top of those other things and it's problematic.

Uhhh, that's pretty much just what I said. There are only about 3 QBs out there that can handle that type of situation and make a SB run. Also, not every QB can take that same great O around him and win. That's the exact point. If we reach the stage where we don't have that greatness around him then we need something else.