So unfortunately, I went to that dump of a stadium and watched that horror show live and in person. Got back from NYC yesterday, and I might still be hungover as I tried to have the alcohol remove any memory of that game. Here are some quick thoughts that are very delayed.

• They need to stop wearing stuff that says "Tough. Detailed. Together." and start wearing more accurate shirts that say "Soft. Sloppy. Divided." The team got manhandled by the Giants physically, and the dumb penalties and half ass route running are becoming an epidemic. This is on the head coach -- the offense seems lazy and uninterested, and the defense gives effort but is way too reckless. To be fair, the defense also looked completely gassed.

• Hurts played his worst game in a while, and 2 plays were just brutal. First, you simply can't overthrow a wide open Smitty like that. That would have changed the game. Second, on the pick, AJ was breaking wide open in the end zone. We were sitting behind the offense and I was convinced it was a TD. Hurts and the whole offense are completely boom or bust - when they get rolling, it's amazing. Or it's a 3 and out.

• Brett Toth is not an NFL player, and he and Mailata aren't anywhere close to on the same page. The offensive line is just flat out bad.

• Barkley breaks 2 nice runs to start and then...pound it into the middle of the line for nothing. And can we try a screen pass to Shipley?

• DeVonta does seem to be the one giving max effort all the time. Honestly, AJ really wasn't slacking too much either. Dotson seemed to run very lazy routes, especially on the pick.

• Once Q was out (and we realized it), I knew we were cooked. Ringo may actually be worse than Jackson.

• Baun really does go all out every play. Campbell too.

• Mukuba is young and makes mistakes, but he also makes plays.

• Our entire defensive line couldn't finish a sack. It's really infuriating.

The main takeaway from being in the stadium -- the team, and especially the offense, just seems apathetic and disinterested. Maybe they are too satisfied from the Super Bowl. Maybe they think they can turn it on later. But the talent is there -- the effort and execution are lacking. And they just don't seem to care.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Those guys had their best years before teams caught up to the RPO so well. Their being utilized to about 40% of their aiblity in the Hurts offenses that have spanned over multiple OCs now. Even in their good seasons, they were capable of doing more, in a different system, or with a different QB. Hurts minimizes the talents of his receivers. Goedert is another example of this being true. Our numerous 3rd WRs as well.

It's weird how other teams like KC can still run RPOs effectively by doing things by using different formations and not being predictable.

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yea a 10 year vet playing edge at the highest level on the team just ups and retires because he’s surprised at how bad his body feels.

That's far more likely. There is nothing to suggest there are locker room problems.

24 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

• He also seemed to be losing snaps to Azeez -- played the least he has on Thursday.

Which is kind of weird in itself as Smith was our bigger body Edge and should be better against the run

Well, I guess there's a possibility that this retirement isn't related to the dogshit vibes we've seen from this team all year, but the optics are terrible either way.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's weird how other teams like KC can still run RPOs effectively by doing things by using different formations and not being predictable.

Its not weird at all. They have QBs who can think. Teams started making hurts think about the pass. They took that easy quick read away from him. This was last year in the first 4 weeks when the offense stunk, and Hurts stunk. RPOs were not working and the team had to switch their identity and let Barkley carry them.

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So unfortunately, I went to that dump of a stadium and watched that horror show live and in person. Got back from NYC yesterday, and I might still be hungover as I tried to have the alcohol remove any memory of that game. Here are some quick thoughts that are very delayed.

• They need to stop wearing stuff that says "Tough. Detailed. Together." and start wearing more accurate shirts that say "Soft. Sloppy. Divided." The team got manhandled by the Giants physically, and the dumb penalties and half ass route running are becoming an epidemic. This is on the head coach -- the offense seems lazy and uninterested, and the defense gives effort but is way too reckless. To be fair, the defense also looked completely gassed.

• Hurts played his worst game in a while, and 2 plays were just brutal. First, you simply can't overthrow a wide open Smitty like that. That would have changed the game. Second, on the pick, AJ was breaking wide open in the end zone. We were sitting behind the offense and I was convinced it was a TD. Hurts and the whole offense are completely boom or bust - when they get rolling, it's amazing. Or it's a 3 and out.

• Brett Toth is not an NFL player, and he and Mailata aren't anywhere close to on the same page. The offensive line is just flat out bad.

• Barkley breaks 2 nice runs to start and then...pound it into the middle of the line for nothing. And can we try a screen pass to Shipley?

• DeVonta does seem to be the one giving max effort all the time. Honestly, AJ really wasn't slacking too much either. Dotson seemed to run very lazy routes, especially on the pick.

• Once Q was out (and we realized it), I knew we were cooked. Ringo may actually be worse than Jackson.

• Baun really does go all out every play. Campbell too.

• Mukuba is young and makes mistakes, but he also makes plays.

• Our entire defensive line couldn't finish a sack. It's really infuriating.

The main takeaway from being in the stadium -- the team, and especially the offense, just seems apathetic and disinterested. Maybe they are too satisfied from the Super Bowl. Maybe they think they can turn it on later. But the talent is there -- the effort and execution are lacking. And they just don't seem to care.

It was a weird game from Baun. He seemingly plays hard every game like you said so I don't want to unnecessarily bash him. But he looked uncharacteristically bad Thursday. Hopefully it's just a one off, bad game.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It was a weird game from Baun. He seemingly plays hard every game like you said so I don't want to unnecessarily bash him. But he looked uncharacteristically bad Thursday. Hopefully it's just a one off, bad game.

It looked to me that much of the defense had hit a wall. I think that's backed up by the sheer number of snaps they have played over the first 6 games. They had played 70+ snaps for three straight games. Baun has played every snap on defense too.

Just think the defense was tired and injured on a short week. They thought they could mail it in with the Giants. And just snowballed with Q injury in game. Also, were trying to rest Carter with a weak opponent. Team has little depth this year. Couldn't get away with all of those circumstances. This was the Giants Superbowl. As it will be for many teams with a target on our backs. Gotta be ready every week.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

They have QBs who can think. Teams started making hurts think about the pass. This was last year in the first 4 weeks when the offense stunk, and Hurts stunk. RPOs were not working and the team had to switch their identity and let Barkley carry them.

Or hear me out, our OC and HC don't know how to use formations and motion to disguise looks.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

RPOs were not working and the team had to switch their identity and let Barkley carry them.

lolwut? We ran RPOs at a rate at or above almost every other team in the league last year.

7 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Well, I guess there's a possibility that this retirement isn't related to the dogshit vibes we've seen from this team all year, but the optics are terrible either way.

Yeah I feel like we’ve seen a few players sign here and retire shortly after lol.

I'm predicting a blockbuster trade. Everyone is looking at the wrong bad teams.

Howie is going to trade for one of Derek Stingley, Will Anderson, Jeffery Simmons or Tyree Wilson.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It was a weird game from Baun. He seemingly plays hard every game like you said so I don't want to unnecessarily bash him. But he looked uncharacteristically bad Thursday. Hopefully it's just a one off, bad game.

It was maybe the worst game he's played in an Eagles uniform. I'm struggling to remember a game where he was worse.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It was maybe the worst game he's played in an Eagles uniform. I'm struggling to remember a game where he was worse.

Falcons last year is probably the next worse

26 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Howie's in-season trades are usually bad (trades after the regular season has started and before the deadline). There was the one good trade in 2017 for RB Jay Ajayi on 10/30. Since then:

2018: WR Golden Tate (2019 3rd round pick)

2019: DE Genard Avery (2021 4th round pick). LB Duke Riley and a 2020 6th-round pick (from Atlanta in exchange for S Johnathan Cyprien and a 2020 7th-round pick.)

2021: CB Tay Gowan and a 2022 fifth-round pick (from Arizona in exchange for TE Zach Ertz). DB Kary Vincent (2022 6th-round pick).

2022: DE Robert Quinn (2024 4th round pick)

2023: S Kevin Byard (S Terrell Edmunds, a 2024 4th and 6th round picks).

2024: RB/KR Tank Bigsby (2026 fifth-round pick and a 2026 sixth-round pick)

Apart from the 3rd for TATE, he's usually sent picks in rounds 4-6 or had some pick swaps for a round, some players involved.

Think about the quality of the players he acquired with those, compared to recent draft picks in those rounds. There's always going to be busts in later rounds but they have a pretty good list of recent 4th-7th round picks (I'll exclude this year since we don't know what they are yet):

• Will Shipley

• Jeremiah Trotter Jr.

• Johnny Wilson

• Kelee Ringo

• Tanner McKee

• Moro Ojomo

• Grant Calcaterra

• Kenneth Gainwell

• Patrick Johnson

I'd take any of those draft picks over the bums they traded for that provided nothing.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Sounds like Hurts needs to develop more plays utilizing play action and call more RPO's.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It was a weird game from Baun. He seemingly plays hard every game like you said so I don't want to unnecessarily bash him. But he looked uncharacteristically bad Thursday. Hopefully it's just a one off, bad game.

If the DL continues to suck, Baun will probably get a growing amount of unfair criticism. LBs cant really look good with DL performances like we got the past 2 games. We will start to hear that Campbell is looking like a bust too.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm predicting a blockbuster trade. Everyone is looking at the wrong bad teams.

Howie is going to trade for one of Derek Stingley, Will Anderson, Jeffery Simmons or Tyree Wilson.

Another CB outside Q is needed badly unless they are moving Dejean to outside.

Opposing teams will just pick on Ringo and Adoree all game if they're in.

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Or hear me out, our OC and HC don't know how to use formations and motion to disguise looks.

Moore started out with that, among other things. Then it went away. Because, as has had to be repeated millions of times now, its not the OCs, its the QB.

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

lolwut? We ran RPOs at a rate at or above almost every other team in the league last year.

yes. After the run game got going, those got working better again. I know you Hurts people have memories of a bird, or just choose to forget.

Absolutely no one said we didnt run them. What was said is that it didnt work well because defenses made Hurts think about throwing what is supposed to be a 1 read play and his head spun. There you go with those strawmen again.

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Another CB outside Q is needed badly unless they are moving Dejean to outside.

Opposing teams will just pick on Ringo and Adoree all game if they're in.

yeah they can’t go on and survive with either of the guys they have opposite Q! Neither can cover and they are giving up easy soft quick yards on pretty much every play.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

yeah they can’t go on and survive with either of the guys they have opposite Q! Neither can cover and they are giving up easy soft quick yards on pretty much every play.

Don't worry!! Jakorian "Handsy" Bennett will be off injured reserved soon enough!

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

yes. After the run game got going, those got working better again. I know you Hurts people have memories of a bird, or just choose to forget.

Ah, I see, so the type of play they ran at a higher clip than any other team in the league "stopped working" at some undefined point in the season, then "got working better again" at some other undefined point in the season. That's what I like about you HE, your unique insight and highly detailed technical analysis is second to none around here.