37 minutes ago, Procus said:

Who should I trust ..... Obama or Roseanne?

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Again, I love the they never take accountability while we ignore the left doesn't either.

the left controlled disney just fired kimmel. under pressure or not, they canned him. i'm sure if i googled the subject there would be other examples.

btw, why does kilmeade still have a job?

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What I just read is a bunch of finger pointing without any accountability for your side while trying to say the right doesn't take any accountability.

The right doesn't take any accountability.

The left has actually called out its own from the top down. Obama strongly condemned the violence seen in the wake of the Floyd murder, and likewise condemned Kirk's assassination. And he is not alone.

The most you see are some of the more agitative members of the Democratic party - Crockett, etc. - pushing back on the right's excuse making that comparing Trump's authoritarian streak to fascist regimes like Hitler's in the early 30s somehow "led" to this.

Meanwhile your side has a president and standard-bearer for the last 10 years out there advocating for violence. We've seen pipe bombs sent to high profile democrats by a Trump acolyte, we saw a member of MAGA assassinate elected Democratic politicians, and when that happens what does the right say? "oh that's a mental health issue, can't do anything about lone wolfs!"

It's far easier to draw a direct line to Trump's rhetoric - and the rhetoric of people like Fuentes and, yes, Kirk - to the violence coming from the right than the left.

Leadership of the left has made clear efforts to keep the rhetoric down and to turn down the temperature. There has never been any such effort from Trump.

9 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

the left controlled disney just fired kimmel. under pressure or not, they canned him. i'm sure if i googled the subject there would be other examples.

btw, why does kilmeade still have a job?

Wait. Is he suspended or fired?

52 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Who should I trust ..... Obama or Roseanne?

In all fairness Roseanne has drone striked very few people lately.

40 minutes ago, paco said:

Wait. Is he suspended or fired?

I think technically just suspended but this seems kinda hard to come back from. Especially if they follow through on airing a Kirk memorial during his time slot.

43 minutes ago, paco said:

Wait. Is he suspended or fired?

i believe phrase used was, taken off the air indefinitely.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I think technically just suspended but this seems kinda hard to come back from. Especially if they follow through on airing a Kirk memorial during his time slot.

wait, what?

53 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

the left controlled disney just fired kimmel. under pressure or not, they canned him. i'm sure if i googled the subject there would be other examples.

btw, why does kilmeade still have a job?

Wasn't talking about Jimmy.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I think technically just suspended but this seems kinda hard to come back from. Especially if they follow through on airing a Kirk memorial during his time slot.

That was the Sinclair group suggesting that, not ABC/Disney. Sinclair owns many (most?) of the local network affiliates.

51 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

The right doesn't take any accountability.

The left has actually called out its own from the top down. Obama strongly condemned the violence seen in the wake of the Floyd murder, and likewise condemned Kirk's assassination. And he is not alone.

The most you see are some of the more agitative members of the Democratic party - Crockett, etc. - pushing back on the right's excuse making that comparing Trump's authoritarian streak to fascist regimes like Hitler's in the early 30s somehow "led" to this.

Meanwhile your side has a president and standard-bearer for the last 10 years out there advocating for violence. We've seen pipe bombs sent to high profile democrats by a Trump acolyte, we saw a member of MAGA assassinate elected Democratic politicians, and when that happens what does the right say? "oh that's a mental health issue, can't do anything about lone wolfs!"

It's far easier to draw a direct line to Trump's rhetoric - and the rhetoric of people like Fuentes and, yes, Kirk - to the violence coming from the right than the left.

Leadership of the left has made clear efforts to keep the rhetoric down and to turn down the temperature. There has never been any such effort from Trump.

You have some major blinders on with the left. We'll agree Trump needs to watch what he says but he never will.

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

wait, what?

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/jimmy-kimmel-live-replaced-charlie-kirk-tribute-sinclair-apology-1236522789/

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Wasn't talking about Jimmy.

but that is an example of something you said doesn't exist.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

You have some major blinders on with the left. We'll agree Trump needs to watch what he says but he never will.

he's the potus and his words carry more weight than all of the talking heads, you shouldn't throw your hands up.

why is that so many trumpers demand the left tone down their rhetoric to the point of becoming a cancel culture, but accept it from trump?

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That was the Sinclair group suggesting that, not ABC/Disney. Sinclair owns many (most?) of the local network affiliates.

YUP. Which is part of the reason why the whole "brainwashed liberal media" angle is so moronic. This is a fun (depressing) watch.

^all Sinclair owned stations.

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Public mistrust in vaccines is a manufactured wedge issue.

We all should have known that COVID vaccines were developed on a speed-run and as such did come with some higher risks. Risks that when compared against those presented by the COVID virus itself in 2021 were acceptable.

Now vaccine skeptics and COVID deniers are using that issue to try and roll back all vaccine development, vaccines that have undeniably saved millions of life here at home and worldwide.

Did COVID vaccines potentially increase risk of myocarditis? It seems that it may well have. By the numbers did it still save more lives than it risked? That's the real question, and there's nothing out there that suggests the exceedingly rare but non-zero cases of myocarditis presented a larger public health threat than the Delta variant that was most prevalent and dangerous around the time vaccines first became available.

The mistrust about the MRNA vaccines was because they were ineffective as the virus mutated. Therefore, they did not stop, or even slow the spread as promised. Meanwhile, the government mandated them in in certain sectors. They pushed hard for them in healthy adults and children, who were at very little risk from the disease. You were not allowed to enter (or re-enter) the country and certain states if you didn't show proof of vaccination. Myocarditis was a rare byproduct, yes, but it was largely ignored as the government and vaccine company's pushed at breakneck pace for more people to get vaccinated, and boosted, despite the fact that the vaccine was not having the desired effect.

Whether you agree with the skepticism or not, it was not manufactured. Any idiot could see that the MRNA vaccines did not preform as promised. This left us all with an experimental vaccine that we'd injected into ourselves (and in many cases our children) that had questionable, (if any) benefit.

Thankfully, however, guys like you were quick to move the goal posts for us...from "it will stop the spread" to "it will only reduce the severity of illness". In my experience, neither of those things were true.

If you ask me, now is a perfect time to review our approach to vaccines.

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

the left controlled disney just fired kimmel. under pressure or not, they canned him. i'm sure if i googled the subject there would be other examples.

btw, why does kilmeade still have a job?

Kimmel got fired because he wasn't funny and his ratings were in the toilet. Whatever he said or didn't say about the Kirk assassination was just an excuse to do what they would have done anyway.

19 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

but that is an example of something you said doesn't exist.

What

2 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

The mistrust about the MRNA vaccines was because they were ineffective as the virus mutated.

Deep Breath

THAT'S THE WHOLE FING REASON WHY MRNA VACCINES WERE DEVELOPED YOU ABSOLUTE DUMBBELL. THEY ARE EASILY ABLE TO BE ADJUSTED AS VIRUSES MUTATE MAKING OUR RESPONSE TO NEW STRAINS MUCH FASTER AND MORE EFFECTIVE.

17 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

he's the potus and his words carry more weight than all of the talking heads, you shouldn't throw your hands up.

why is that so many trumpers demand the left tone down their rhetoric to the point of becoming a cancel culture, but accept it from trump?

Trump won because of the left. They created him with their divisiveness and policies and they sustain him with it.

Kimmel got fired because he makes fun of Trump.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Deep Breath

THAT'S THE WHOLE FING REASON WHY MRNA VACCINES WERE DEVELOPED YOU ABSOLUTE DUMBBELL. THEY ARE EASILY ABLE TO BE ADJUSTED AS VIRUSES MUTATE MAKING OUR RESPONSE TO NEW STRAINS MUCH FASTER AND MORE EFFECTIVE.

Unbelievable. Still you libs act like everything went to plan. Never mind the fact that they didn't work 😂