13 hours ago13 hr 12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:He fits here betterAfter this season I don't think that is a given. We may have just gotten his best season and duplicating that feels Iike wishful thinking. I'd like it to be true. But last season won't be repeated for some time. Everyone played well with relative good health especially when it mattered most.
12 hours ago12 hr 3 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:Oh hey, you're telling me Sirianni isn't a big dumb *****? Go figure...
12 hours ago12 hr 2 hours ago, jojodancer said:Listened to most of this.Foles analysis:1. Fundamentals is there number one problem.Because they can't run the ball, the passing concepts are too simplistic and easy to figure out.Hurts is a structure QB much like Russel Wilson. Team not giving Hurts plays that he's comfortable in doing. Doing too much thinking out there. They need to pick out his best plays and start from the fundamemtals and work on his foot work.Like many have said they are just running a medley of plays and there's no progression to them.WRs are half azzin on the blocking and if it isn't their route they aren't playimg to win the route. Didn't say his name. But AJ was who he was referring to.Said Lane Johnson is the most important player (structurally) on the line and offense from a structural basis as well. And when they get him back they will run better as well. Miss him dearly.I got the idea a lot of this is fixable. But definitely notall of it, especially regarding scheme. Said this is Frank Reich's scheme and knows it inside out. I think Foles should be a consultant after listening to this podcast. Still not done listening but that's the gist of it.The most important thing that fans really need to listen to, but won't, before they call Patullo the worst hire in the history of humanity is Foles stressing just how hard it is to change base schematic flaws in the same season. This is why Year 2 is so important, and why just tossing guys out every year is not a smart thing to do. If you make a schematic mistake year 1, you end up jammed and in a position where it's incredibly hard to recover.
11 hours ago11 hr 30 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:The most important thing that fans really need to listen to, but won't, before they call Patullo the worst hire in the history of humanity is Foles stressing just how hard it is to change base schematic flaws in the same season. This is why Year 2 is so important, and why just tossing guys out every year is not a smart thing to do. If you make a schematic mistake year 1, you end up jammed and in a position where it's incredibly hard to recover.Yes but there are some simple things within the basic scheme that can certainly be done. Like running more from under center, NOT having Calcaterra as the key blocker in a running play, etc. I'm not in the "fire Patullo and everything is solved" crowd but there is a middle ground. Also, if you wanted to try to shake things up thru some big move then firing Patullo is really the only option. Not what I'd recommend.There really isn't a magic bullet. I'd love to say just run the hell out of the ball and mix in a heavy dose of Tank along with called Hurts runs. However, the OL just can't run block with all the injuries. The other option is to open Hurts up as we saw against the Chargers and accept poor decisions and interceptions as a result. Beyond that, all we can do is just try to win low scoring 17-13 type games as the D balls out.Going forward there are two choices. One is to throw the kitchen sink at the OL and hope to restore it to greatness allowing Hurts to remain effective and do his thing. The other option is to start the process to move on from Hurts.
7 hours ago7 hr 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said:Yes but there are some simple things within the basic scheme that can certainly be done. Like running more from under center, NOT having Calcaterra as the key blocker in a running play, etc. I'm not in the "fire Patullo and everything is solved" crowd but there is a middle ground. Also, if you wanted to try to shake things up thru some big move then firing Patullo is really the only option. Not what I'd recommend.There really isn't a magic bullet. I'd love to say just run the hell out of the ball and mix in a heavy dose of Tank along with called Hurts runs. However, the OL just can't run block with all the injuries. The other option is to open Hurts up as we saw against the Chargers and accept poor decisions and interceptions as a result. Beyond that, all we can do is just try to win low scoring 17-13 type games as the D balls out.Going forward there are two choices. One is to throw the kitchen sink at the OL and hope to restore it to greatness allowing Hurts to remain effective and do his thing. The other option is to start the process to move on from Hurts.What i dont get, and maybe im looking at it in a simplistic way, is WHY is the offensive scheme so much different than last year? Patullo was here last season, and the scheme worked great. Same offensive roster, for the most part, and our game plans and play designed worked perfectly with the people we had. Why not just build on that, why does everything look so different?
7 hours ago7 hr 25 minutes ago, Boogyman said:What i dont get, and maybe im looking at it in a simplistic way, is WHY is the offensive scheme so much different than last year? Patullo was here last season, and the scheme worked great. Same offensive roster, for the most part, and our game plans and play designed worked perfectly with the people we had. Why not just build on that, why does everything look so different?The biggest reason is the health of the OL. Plus the SB provided a nice blue print for teams to use to stop Barkley. The combination of those plus Hurts being a step slower (and not even getting called for designed QB runs) has been deadly and the coaches haven't been successful adjusting to something else that proves to work consistently. In summary, we just aren't able to reproduce what we had for the last three years and our weaknesses have been exposed. That's how I see it.
7 hours ago7 hr 34 minutes ago, Boogyman said:What i dont get, and maybe im looking at it in a simplistic way, is WHY is the offensive scheme so much different than last year? Patullo was here last season, and the scheme worked great. Same offensive roster, for the most part, and our game plans and play designed worked perfectly with the people we had. Why not just build on that, why does everything look so different?It looks different because we had a historic running game last year, I remember the film breakdowns showing the same uninspired passing plays and our passing performance was still scattershot until late in the season
7 hours ago7 hr 8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:The biggest reason is the health of the OL. Plus the SB provided a nice blue print for teams to use to stop Barkley. The combination of those plus Hurts being a step slower (and not even getting called for designed QB runs) has been deadly and the coaches haven't been successful adjusting to something else that proves to work consistently. In summary, we just aren't able to reproduce what we had for the last three years and our weaknesses have been exposed. That's how I see it.I dunno. Im noticing entire concepts that seem to have vanished from the play book, its not making sense to me. And the lack of designed QB runs is just part of it. The routes all look so basic, the running game doesnt compliment the passing game, and vice versa. I can tell from my couch when we are running on first down and when we are passing, and often which direction the run play is going. Thats actually our biggest issue IMO, 1st down plays. We were second and 11 for almost the entire game vs the Chargers lol.
7 hours ago7 hr I think they banked on the running game being excellent again and tried to oversimplify the offense to benefit Hurts.But now the run game sucks and defenses know it, so they can easily sniff out the pass concepts.As a result, now both the running game and Hurts suck.I've been saying for weeks, the way out of this is to fix the running game. That's how they know how to coach and call plays. They don't know what to do being pass-heavy.
7 hours ago7 hr 17 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:A QB change will change absolutely everything and this team will instantly become unstoppable.If you desired to put the whole roster on notice that no one is above being benched, Hurts could hypothetically be the patsy for it after MNF. It would make every player sit up straight when the franchise QB is made accountable.But post SB win, the absolute nuclear option that could come with unintended circumstances. I actually suspect bringing Lane back in will help to course correct some stuff, if the Cosell video holds out again this week.
6 hours ago6 hr 11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:I've been saying for weeks, the way out of this is to fix the running game.This has been the problem since the first game. The only shot was to totally rest the OL in the very beginning and they didn't do that. Now it's too late though to be fair they have been improving a bit.
6 hours ago6 hr @mattwill Going all in this week. Everything turns up roses for Eagles.Eagles 33 Raiders 10. 200+ total yards rushing for Eagles and extra bonus, Vikings beat Cowboys in Jerry world. All is right in the world.
6 hours ago6 hr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:The biggest reason is the health of the OL. Plus the SB provided a nice blue print for teams to use to stop Barkley. The combination of those plus Hurts being a step slower (and not even getting called for designed QB runs) has been deadly and the coaches haven't been successful adjusting to something else that proves to work consistently. In summary, we just aren't able to reproduce what we had for the last three years and our weaknesses have been exposed. That's how I see it.We more or less have been playing the same brand of football for years. If the QB is going to become the center of the offense as a passer, it might take more than one abbreviated offseason to make that transition. Under center, the associated footwork that syncs up with the timing/depth of routes, managing motion and understanding the clues that it uncovers about the defense, making progressions across the entire field rather than just half-field reads, making adjustments at the LoS so called plays aren’t DOA presnap, etc. These are all learned skills and they need to be practiced into muscle memory and reflexive processing.I think the team understandably entered the season with a lot of inertia. If I remember correctly Siri said after 2022 that they weren’t changing anything just continuing to perfect the blueprint - so why would that attitude change so much after the team convincingly won the SB? So, we shouldn’t be surprised that the team is struggling when essentially their offensive identity has been taken away.In any case, there are solutions to our problems… the issue is time. What can be done in-season with limited practice time to improve the offense given that the core of the scheme is unworkable. What can be done in the offseason with limited team activities to make an evolutionary improvement to the QB’s skillset -OR- what can be done around the QB to reestablish the conditions he was playing under in 2024 so that the learning curve isn’t so demanding? I don’t think there any easy fixes here.
6 hours ago6 hr 13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:We more or less have been playing the same brand of football for years. If the QB is going to become the center of the offense as a passer, it might take more than one abbreviated offseason to make that transition. Under center, the associated footwork that syncs up with the timing/depth of routes, managing motion and understanding the clues that it uncovers about the defense, making progressions across the entire field rather than just half-field reads, making adjustments at the LoS so called plays aren’t DOA presnap, etc. These are all learned skills and they need to be practiced into muscle memory and reflexive processing.I think the team understandably entered the season with a lot of inertia. If I remember correctly Siri said after 2022 that they weren’t changing anything just continuing to perfect the blueprint - so why would that attitude change so much after the team convincingly won the SB? So, we shouldn’t be surprised that the team is struggling when essentially their offensive identity has been taken away.In any case, there are solutions to our problems… the issue is time. What can be done in-season with limited practice time to improve the offense given that the core of the scheme is unworkable. What can be done in the offseason with limited team activities to make an evolutionary improvement to the QB’s skillset -OR- what can be done around the QB to reestablish the conditions he was playing under in 2024 so that the learning curve isn’t so demanding? I don’t think there any easy fixes here.100% agree with this. There are some smaller things that can be done now like using our existing under center packages more often but the bigger changes would take at least an entire offseason to even get things going.
6 hours ago6 hr @mattwill Eagles 24 Raiders 16Not super pretty but we grind it out.bonus: Eagles get four or more sacks
6 hours ago6 hr 5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:Yes but there are some simple things within the basic scheme that can certainly be done. Like running more from under center, NOT having Calcaterra as the key blocker in a running play, etc. I'm not in the "fire Patullo and everything is solved" crowd but there is a middle ground. Also, if you wanted to try to shake things up thru some big move then firing Patullo is really the only option. Not what I'd recommend.There really isn't a magic bullet. I'd love to say just run the hell out of the ball and mix in a heavy dose of Tank along with called Hurts runs. However, the OL just can't run block with all the injuries. The other option is to open Hurts up as we saw against the Chargers and accept poor decisions and interceptions as a result. Beyond that, all we can do is just try to win low scoring 17-13 type games as the D balls out.Going forward there are two choices. One is to throw the kitchen sink at the OL and hope to restore it to greatness allowing Hurts to remain effective and do his thing. The other option is to start the process to move on from Hurts.I'd hope they'd make Oline priority #1 to get right either way
6 hours ago6 hr 4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:I'm hoping he's just saying that because if the owner agreed then we probably do fall of a cliffBut I hope that privately he sees it and is worried
6 hours ago6 hr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:100% agree with this. There are some smaller things that can be done now like using our existing under center packages more often but the bigger changes would take at least an entire offseason to even get things going.You can also see from our history at OC, that the job leads to either HC jobs or to the junk pile. There’s a ton of pressure for short-term success and finding what works now, which can be at odds with developing the QB. Why work on building the skills necessary for a middle aged QB, when you optimize the scheme/PT for what will win today (but might be of dubious value later).
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