2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

This is why I think they just took there foot off the pedal. Maybe because of the weather but I’m not sure. They can’t be dumb enough to do this in a playoff game right?

The Bills didn't score until there was like 5 minutes left in the 4th. Normally we would be saying that was garbage time points. But since the O basically played not to lose for a half those late Josh points mattered more. Bills have been a 2nd half team all year. Look it was clear they went way conservative on O in the 2nd half with how well the D was playing. I also believe the weather played a factor in the way the game was called. Yes the Bills D did well. I'm not excusing it but it was clear the game plan shifted at half to let's just get out here healthy with a win. It's just hard for me to be upset when they just won in Buffalo who has only lost one game at Highmark in the last 2 seasons.

A win is a win…. but.

Glad we won in a very tough environment against a contender. The defense played lights out until they got gassed at the end. Still came through and held onto the win.

This offense is just not very good, regardless of all the firepower we have.

It’s starts at the top and includes Patullo.

The O-line has been consistently bad at run blocking. They just don’t move guys up front and it’s been an issue all year. It was a big strength last year that has turned into a glaring weakness. They’ve done fine pass blocking, but the run game starts the engine and it’s been sputtering all year.

Hurts has had his moments, but his inconsistency is not ideal when you’re constantly in 3rd and long. He thrives when the offense is in a rhythm, which has only happened in spurts throughout an entire game.

The defense has played lights out and I was very impressed with the way they held Buffalo’s running attack in check. Stopping the run will be huge in the playoffs.

I think resting as many players as possible next week outweighs the possibility of getting the 2nd seed. Our backups should still be able to be win a game against a terrible Washington team with their backup Qb. Resting guys who are dinged up can definitely help during the playoffs. You’re also avoiding further injuries to guys you will be dependent on.

5 hours ago, manz2821 said:

I think they have a chance after thier debacle against Min. Campbell seems like a guy who will get his team to go there and compete.

Well I hope Campbell can get the Lions to beat the Bears but I dont think it will happen. Skins will be trying to ruin Eagles season, might try to get a few players injured especially with the bad blood brewing after last game...

Not to say that nothing should be taken from today's game, but I feel like I'm in bizarro world. Checked out Bills fanbase and they seem significantly less upset about losing than the Eagles fanbase does about winning but not how they want.

I think we've gotten to a point as a fanbase where some people are so spoiled that unless the trajectory is championship, they're going to be mad. I don't think anyone can handle that kind of pressure as a coach, not in the modern era. This isn't the era of Jimmy Johnson or Bill Walsh anymore. People are actively saying that we should be nailing every hire after OCs are hired away every year, saying it's all Sirianni's fault it's happening (it's not), and that the organization should be able to deal with this level of turnover that practically no other organization deals with smoothly.

And this spikes after ugly wins, demanding heads, while the Bills group....don't?

I'll be honest. I think our fanbase has become kinda weak. I didn't think I'd live during an era where it feels like not enough people remember how hard it was to get our first championship, if we got a first while I was alive, but here we are with people acting like that's the expectation, and anything less is a disappointment. And not just that, acting that way one year after.

I at one point thought our fanbase was tough. We are not. We are illogical, annoying, overly emotional, overly whiny, and worst of all, mentally and emotionally weak. I think wanting better from our team is fine, but people really have gone from 'tough on the team' to 'acting like psychos'. I think this board has less of it since thank goodness a lot of people here skew older, but the younger you go on average, the worse I think it is. Not because of age, but because of being further and further removed from pain of terrible teams.

Frankly, this should be the happiest era of Eagles football we've ever had in the Super Bowl era, and half the time people are enraged because they think it should be even better.

Okay looks like we are playing for number 2

12 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Not to say that nothing should be taken from today's game, but I feel like I'm in bizarro world. Checked out Bills fanbase and they seem significantly less upset about losing than the Eagles fanbase does about winning but not how they want.

I think we've gotten to a point as a fanbase where some people are so spoiled that unless the trajectory is championship, they're going to be mad. I don't think anyone can handle that kind of pressure as a coach, not in the modern era. This isn't the era of Jimmy Johnson or Bill Walsh anymore. People are actively saying that we should be nailing every hire after OCs are hired away every year, saying it's all Sirianni's fault it's happening (it's not), and that the organization should be able to deal with this level of turnover that practically no other organization deals with smoothly.

And this spikes after ugly wins, demanding heads, while the Bills group....don't?

I'll be honest. I think our fanbase has become kinda weak. I didn't think I'd live during an era where it feels like not enough people remember how hard it was to get our first championship, if we got a first while I was alive, but here we are with people acting like that's the expectation, and anything less is a disappointment. And not just that, acting that way one year after.

I at one point thought our fanbase was tough. We are not. We are illogical, annoying, overly emotional, overly whiny, and worst of all, mentally and emotionally weak. I think wanting better from our team is fine, but people really have gone from 'tough on the team' to 'acting like psychos'. I think this board has less of it since thank goodness a lot of people here skew older, but the younger you go on average, the worse I think it is. Not because of age, but because of being further and further removed from pain of terrible teams.

Frankly, this should be the happiest era of Eagles football we've ever had in the Super Bowl era, and half the time people are enraged because they think it should be even better.

Yes, we want championships. If the Bills fans can't see weaknesses on their team that's their problem. We see them, does that make us worse fans than them. I would say the opposite is true.

We/I don't want to be a fan base like the cowterds that revel in accomplishments from 30 years ago. It's great that we won the superbowl twice now. That gave me the desire to win more. Our defense has that potential the offense not so much. We see that, can't help it.

I think a lot of folks here have gone through the horrors of falling short in all the years before winning that first SB. We’re happy to finally get over the hump and extremely grateful for last year’s SB victory.

This is a special era of Eagles football, just like the early 2000s but with two SBs to show for it.

If you take the somewhat extreme views of pro and anti Hurts out of the equation, I think it’s not overly dramatic in calling out the deficiencies this team, mainly on offense, has. I’m sure we are all enjoying the wins at the end, but it’s difficult to get totally excited with the way this offense has performed the entire year. Yeah, we want more winning and it’s not too much to ask with a team of this caliber IMO.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Yes, we want championships. If the Bills fans can't see weaknesses on their team that's their problem. We see them, does that make us worse fans than them. I would say the opposite is true.

We/I don't want to be a fan base like the cowterds that revel in accomplishments from 30 years ago. It's great that we won the superbowl twice now. That gave me the desire to win more. Our defense has that potential the offense not so much. We see that, can't help it.

It's not realistic for that to be the expectation, we'll end up begging to fire our coaches every single year. That's not reasonable behavior or healthy for anyone no matter how you slice it. Our fanbase used to be able to acknowledge that only 1 team in 32 can win the Super Bowl, and every other team is paid to beat you. Acknowledge reality, the Eagles will not win rings every year, and we have to deal with that as a fanbase. Otherwise, football will never make you happy.

Being miserable because of trash expectations and making the entire Eagles sports scene miserable because of personal flaws does, yes, make the fanbase insufferable.

1 minute ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I think a lot of folks here have gone through the horrors of falling short in all the years before winning that first SB. We’re happy to finally get over the hump and extremely grateful for last year’s SB victory.

This is a special era of Eagles football, just like the early 2000s but with two SBs to show for it.

If you take the somewhat extreme views of pro and anti Hurts out of the equation, I think it’s not overly dramatic in calling out the deficiencies this team, mainly on offense, has. I’m sure we are all enjoying the wins at the end, but it’s difficult to get totally excited with the way this offense has performed the entire year. Yeah, we want more winning and it’s not too much to ask with a team of this caliber IMO.

We're one year shy of having double digit wins for half a decade, been in half the Super Bowls those last 4 years, won one of them, and we're still begging to fire a not insignificant part of our coaching staff, and possibly our head coach. In an era of our team that is only bested before the Super Bowl was ever conceived.

I have no problem with wanting to win more. That's natural. But there's a difference between wanting to win more and acting like beating everyone else is the perennial expectation, under which heads should roll if that doesn't happen.

The entire reason why the Patriots dynasty was special was because it is rare. If your bottom level expectations involve things that are special because they are rare, especially when they're not your expectations to shoulder, that's a personal problem, not a problem with the team. And that's what I mean, the way the Eagles fanbase is so emotionally and mentally weak these days is causing the fanbase to be worse than ever, in the best era of our team. It should be way more enjoyable, but it's only gotten worse.

9 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's not realistic for that to be the expectation, we'll end up begging to fire our coaches every single year. That's not reasonable behavior or healthy for anyone no matter how you slice it. Our fanbase used to be able to acknowledge that only 1 team in 32 can win the Super Bowl, and every other team is paid to beat you. Acknowledge reality, the Eagles will not win rings every year, and we have to deal with that as a fanbase. Otherwise, football will never make you happy.

Being miserable because of trash expectations and making the entire Eagles sports scene miserable because of personal flaws does, yes, make the fanbase insufferable.

It is very realistic to expect better from a team that won it all last year with basically the same players on offense to play to a higher caliber than they have been. If the offense can just play average with this defense we could repeat. Frankly it's ridiculous to just accept a much below average product on the field and just shrug your shoulders because the Bills fans are doing it.

There are problems on offense and we have the potential to go deep into the playoffs if they can just get to average.

That's the bottom line. You want to say "oh well" and move on feel free. I don't passion and knowledge is what Eagles fans have been noted for during my almost 64 years on this earth and that hasn't changed that I can see.

9 minutes ago, greend said:

It is very realistic to expect better from a team that won it all last year with basically the same players on offense to play to a higher caliber than they have been. If the offense can just play average with this defense we could repeat. Frankly it's ridiculous to just accept a much below average product on the field and just shrug your shoulders because the Bills fans are doing it.

There are problems on offense and we have the potential to go deep into the playoffs if they can just get to average.

That's the bottom line. You want to say "oh well" and move on feel free. I don't passion and knowledge is what Eagles fans have been noted for during my almost 64 years on this earth and that hasn't changed that I can see.

I hate to break this to you, but we're 11-5, so you don't really know what average is. No, wins are not the cure all to dismiss everything, but when you make a point like 'below average', you actually have to understand what you're saying. 'Below our expectations' is not below average.

Passion does not have to come with a heavy dose of ignoring reality. If you took some of that passion and analyzed the team even a little, or paid attention as much as that passion would imply you should, you would know exactly what problems are rolling around. They existed last year too, and were covered up by the best rushing attack in the history of our team. This year, however, our run blocking has been garbage and in large part because of poor OL health. The most important and well known change the first year of Sirianni being on the team was switching up playcaller, the second most important was running the ball more.

Since Jalen Hurts has been here, running the football has been the identity of our team, and the thing in which our offense is built on. If we can't run the ball, our offense does not go. It's really as simple as that. It was true last year too, except we ran the football with authority.

I'm not saying repeating isn't a possibility. There's nothing wrong with hoping for it either. But it being the expectation is arrogant and stupid. There's no wiggle room there.

11 hours ago, greend said:

True, so then Hurts should be able to find someone open in that case, no?

One would think.

F the NFL with that schedule. Can the Eagles get a single freaking break this year with the damn schedule?

The Sun 1pm games are all hot garbage. I think the only one that matters is the Texans game, which gives the Chargers and Bills the luxury that the Eagles apparently don't deserve by knowing their fate before playing at 430.

And why the hell would Seattle/San Francisco be on Saturday? The winner won't play for like 4 weeks after that. Bow down to the almighty TV networks. I look forward to downloading eight more streaming apps so I can watch the playoffs.

Rest the starters. I guaran--f'ing--tee they'll give the Eagles a Saturday playoff game so I want no part of yet another short week for the playoffs.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Not to say that nothing should be taken from today's game, but I feel like I'm in bizarro world. Checked out Bills fanbase and they seem significantly less upset about losing than the Eagles fanbase does about winning but not how they want.

I think we've gotten to a point as a fanbase where some people are so spoiled that unless the trajectory is championship, they're going to be mad. I don't think anyone can handle that kind of pressure as a coach, not in the modern era. This isn't the era of Jimmy Johnson or Bill Walsh anymore. People are actively saying that we should be nailing every hire after OCs are hired away every year, saying it's all Sirianni's fault it's happening (it's not), and that the organization should be able to deal with this level of turnover that practically no other organization deals with smoothly.

And this spikes after ugly wins, demanding heads, while the Bills group....don't?

I'll be honest. I think our fanbase has become kinda weak. I didn't think I'd live during an era where it feels like not enough people remember how hard it was to get our first championship, if we got a first while I was alive, but here we are with people acting like that's the expectation, and anything less is a disappointment. And not just that, acting that way one year after.

I at one point thought our fanbase was tough. We are not. We are illogical, annoying, overly emotional, overly whiny, and worst of all, mentally and emotionally weak. I think wanting better from our team is fine, but people really have gone from 'tough on the team' to 'acting like psychos'. I think this board has less of it since thank goodness a lot of people here skew older, but the younger you go on average, the worse I think it is. Not because of age, but because of being further and further removed from pain of terrible teams.

Frankly, this should be the happiest era of Eagles football we've ever had in the Super Bowl era, and half the time people are enraged because they think it should be even better.

I think this is a fair point, but I was pissed off yesterday because I view it as disrespectful to your defense to put them in a situation like that. I’m such a fan of every guy on that side of the ball and Vic and thought they deserved better than being left out to dry. They played their asses off and Nick/Patullo/Hurts just wanted to play conservative, not to lose football, even though that’s burned them twice this year against Denver and Dallas.

It was annoying.

13 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think this is a fair point, but I was pissed off yesterday because I view it as disrespectful to your defense to put them in a situation like that. I’m such a fan of every guy on that side of the ball and Vic and thought they deserved better than being left out to dry. They played their asses off and Nick/Patullo/Hurts just wanted to play conservative, not to lose football, even though that’s burned them twice this year against Denver and Dallas.

It was annoying.

I felt the same way - it was more about the offense absolutely disappearing in the 2nd half (after having a decent 1st half) and leaving the defense out to dry than anything else. The defense was playing really hard any time they were on the field while the offense seemed to be half asleep during the 2nd half. It was actually both bizarre and irritating to see.

That said, I tend to agree with some of @AmericanEagle77 's overall points that a portion of the fan base can be overly critical of the team on a weekly basis.

6 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I wouldn't necessarily mind snapping the ball with one second left every play if they were already set and ready to go. But it seems like every single play the clock gets down to three seconds and none of the players are even remotely ready. It's like there is a mad two second scramble to get everything in place.

It has improved a bit the past few weeks, though yesterday’s second half was just…it happened. The other part of this is the human brain. That rush pre snap causes issues post snap. You can see it with the OL having issues, Hurts processing the field, RB’s seeing holes, etc. The brain just doesn’t turn off it’s panic switch like that.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Not to say that nothing should be taken from today's game, but I feel like I'm in bizarro world. Checked out Bills fanbase and they seem significantly less upset about losing than the Eagles fanbase does about winning but not how they want.

I think we've gotten to a point as a fanbase where some people are so spoiled that unless the trajectory is championship, they're going to be mad. I don't think anyone can handle that kind of pressure as a coach, not in the modern era. This isn't the era of Jimmy Johnson or Bill Walsh anymore. People are actively saying that we should be nailing every hire after OCs are hired away every year, saying it's all Sirianni's fault it's happening (it's not), and that the organization should be able to deal with this level of turnover that practically no other organization deals with smoothly.

And this spikes after ugly wins, demanding heads, while the Bills group....don't?

I'll be honest. I think our fanbase has become kinda weak. I didn't think I'd live during an era where it feels like not enough people remember how hard it was to get our first championship, if we got a first while I was alive, but here we are with people acting like that's the expectation, and anything less is a disappointment. And not just that, acting that way one year after.

I at one point thought our fanbase was tough. We are not. We are illogical, annoying, overly emotional, overly whiny, and worst of all, mentally and emotionally weak. I think wanting better from our team is fine, but people really have gone from 'tough on the team' to 'acting like psychos'. I think this board has less of it since thank goodness a lot of people here skew older, but the younger you go on average, the worse I think it is. Not because of age, but because of being further and further removed from pain of terrible teams.

Frankly, this should be the happiest era of Eagles football we've ever had in the Super Bowl era, and half the time people are enraged because they think it should be even better.

They have a team capable of winning being held back by incompetent coaches.

Anyone who isn't SB or bust with that talent should go root for the Browns with their loser mentality. We are smart fans and don't accept BS. KP and Nick are costing them a year of a window that shouldn't be happening.

10 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Great is debatable. Great they won, the defense played great until they got gassed, but the offense was anything but the second half. One of the worst coached offenses with that much talent I've seen.

You can see the glass as half full or half empty on this on. Let's consider the glass half full argument. You went in to Buffalo which is one of the hardest places to win these days and beat an 11-4 team with the reigning MVP in a total slop cold rain. The D was amazing all game long and if not for a bad call on a penalty and some crazy ass pass receptions we would have avoided the close ending. You also did a solid job of moving the ball in the first half and even had a decent showing running the ball. Finally, you came out healthy and should be at full strength with all the starters heading into the playoffs given that you rest them vs. Wash.

42 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I hate to break this to you, but we're 11-5, so you don't really know what average is. No, wins are not the cure all to dismiss everything, but when you make a point like 'below average', you actually have to understand what you're saying. 'Below our expectations' is not below average.

Passion does not have to come with a heavy dose of ignoring reality. If you took some of that passion and analyzed the team even a little, or paid attention as much as that passion would imply you should, you would know exactly what problems are rolling around. They existed last year too, and were covered up by the best rushing attack in the history of our team. This year, however, our run blocking has been garbage and in large part because of poor OL health. The most important and well known change the first year of Sirianni being on the team was switching up playcaller, the second most important was running the ball more.

Since Jalen Hurts has been here, running the football has been the identity of our team, and the thing in which our offense is built on. If we can't run the ball, our offense does not go. It's really as simple as that. It was true last year too, except we ran the football with authority.

I'm not saying repeating isn't a possibility. There's nothing wrong with hoping for it either. But it being the expectation is arrogant and stupid. There's no wiggle room there.

BS. It's not arrogance it's knowing what we have and what they are doing to waste it. Take this crap elsewhere. The highest paid offense in the league got 15 yards in the second half and couldn't do crap yet again after halftime. Nobody should settle for that and not be pissed today.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

You can see the glass as half full or half empty on this on. Let's consider the glass half full argument. You went in to Buffalo which is one of the hardest places to win these days and beat an 11-4 team with the reigning MVP in a total slop cold rain. The D was amazing all game long and if not for a bad call on a penalty and some crazy ass pass receptions we would have avoided the close ending. You also did a solid job of moving the ball in the first half and even had a decent showing running the ball. Finally, you came out healthy and should be at full strength with all the starters heading into the playoffs given that you rest them vs. Wash.

My biggest issue is KP showed he hasn't changed. We saw the offense do well in a few games this season in the first half, the defense adjusts, KP can't do anything after. Now it's about to be do or die time and they are right back to wasting a generational defense by running them into the ground while the highest paid offense gets 15 yards in a half. You are a smart fan and get that. I want to be glass half full but it's BS just how much talent they are wasting.