3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Not end of story. The offense sucked….again…and that wont be good enough to beat the Lions

Somehow, some way, they will find the route to another win against Detroit. Winning is part of the DNA of this team.

There's a lot to digest but you can also really waste time arguing your personal philosophy vs that of someone else.

One example. Hurts had a really good run for a first down and was in traffic at the sticks. He did not classic QB slide (I'm not sure if they would have pushed him back behind the line if he did a proper slide)

When he did go quickly to the ground, he was held up by a Packer blocking him from the turf. He had to extend and go over that Packer to end the play.

While he did that another Packer had a perfect peanut punch.

You either understand that bad things happen in football or you raise high the flaming sword of your personalized truth that Hurts is bad.

The DeVonta and Saquon drops to lose a game each in 2024 were far worse and we quickly moved on.

Either way, talking about it for a week would be pointless.

48 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's not that simple. Blankenship wants to get paid more than just a solid player. It's why he ditched his agent. He wants to get PAID. The truth of the matter is he's not worth a contract more than what a solid player would get. He's put together a vey solid 4-year career for an UDFA. He's this era's Quinten Mikel. He played much better last year. He hasn't made any glaring mistakes this year, but he also isn't making many big plays. The argument can be made that not giving up big plays is all you can ask for, because we know what the outcome is from a lesser player. I have no problems with Blankenship and it'd be great to keep him here...if the price is right.

It's all part of the puzzle of who fits the Eagles plans and budget. Overpaying for Blankenship just to be solid might take dollars away from brining back another important piece.

That's a separate financial point. My point was simply that people who criticize Blankenship and think he's not that good and they should let him walk in free agency, will miss him when he's gone and complain about the scrub they sign to replace him.

However, I do think that he also wants to be here. Like Smitty, Baun and others who could have got more money elsewhere. If Howie wants to retain him, he'll give him a deal that takes care of the player and is still good for the team. No one spreads out cap impact as well as Howie.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Somehow, some way, they will find the route to another win against Detroit. Winning is part of the DNA of this team.

I think people have to accept the fact that it’s not always going to be pretty, especially on offense, but this team excels in high leverage situations as the season progresses. And the defense will always keep them in games, which will only continue to get better in my opinion.

No other team scares me, but I would be deeply concerned if they run into the Rams again in the playoffs.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That's a separate financial point. My point was simply that people who criticize Blankenship and think he's not that good and they should let him walk in free agency, will miss him when he's gone and complain about the scrub they sign to replace him.

However, I do think that he also wants to be here. Like Smitty, Baun and others who could have got more money elsewhere. If Howie wants to retain him, he'll give him a deal that takes care of the player and is still good for the team. No one spreads out cap impact as well as Howie.

Although Dean seems to be the better player, there is a clear replacement with Campbell - which makes him more likely to walk. I hope the CB2 experience will have informed Howie on the risk of letting Reed go. Maybe DeJean will agree to take less money later to help keep the Amazings together.

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Of course these are his takes. More engagement bait.

There’s the death knell for the pro-Hbomb argument.

Conspiracy theory take: the refs are now purposely not calling false starts on the tush push to add to the narrative that it's too hard to officiate, add fuel to the hatred for it, and the desire to ban it.

29 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

TBH for football "purists" and "defensive guys" last night's win was much more of a "defensive showdown" in cold weather, windy conditions than an "ugly win" imo.

The offense shot itself in the foot as much as the Packers made plays. The last drive was pitiful. The 4th down call was boneheaded, after two bad play calls on 2nd and 3rd down.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Conspiracy theory take: the refs are now purposely not calling false starts on the tush push to add to the narrative that it's too hard to officiate, add fuel to the hatred for it, and the desire to ban it.

You mean the part of the play that has nothing to do with pushing?

7 hours ago, Vileborg said:

I don't hate the call. I hate that we didn't execute it. First down there ends the game. Kicking it, you might get 15 more yards. The Eagles defense makes you methodically work down the field so it was going to be near impossible for them to drive into legit field goal range in time and that's how the game played out. So, I don't hate trying to take a shot at ending it there.

If it was 4th and 2 or 3 I can somewhat see going for it. I believe it was 4th and 8. Should have punted, pinned them with no timeouts.

It worked out but if GB had tied the game then won in OT, Sirianni would be the major headline today.

8 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

There's a lot to digest but you can also really waste time arguing your personal philosophy vs that of someone else.

One example. Hurts had a really good run for a first down and was in traffic at the sticks. He did not classic QB slide (I'm not sure if they would have pushed him back behind the line if he did a proper slide)

When he did go quickly to the ground, he was held up by a Packer blocking him from the turf. He had to extend and go over that Packer to end the play.

While he did that another Packer had a perfect peanut punch.

You either understand that bad things happen in football or you raise high the flaming sword of your personalized truth that Hurts is bad.

The DeVonta and Saquon drops to lose a game each in 2024 were far worse and we quickly moved on.

Either way, talking about it for a week would be pointless.

There are times to push for the line, but I'd also prefer he slide most of the time just to protect himself. Hard to hate the aggressiveness though.

Siri was 100% Kotite yesterday.

Siri + Patullo = Kotite for most of the season.

You can't be afraid of 3rd and long and never throw it up to AJ or DeVonta and then go for it on 4th down at the end there (not the play call, the no punt choice)

It is 100% proof that you are a moron. Its not a philosophy of approaching risk. Its just being a coward all game then turning into a fool at the end.

If they hit 2 of the 4 or 5 passes instead of cowards draws, its a totally different game. If they get a chunk on 1st and 25 instead of a 5 yard cowards run, maybe they convert the whole 25.

The tendencies are obvious. The teams can stack the box and know that 80% of the time Saquon is going to run right at the teeth of their defense.

This is stupid playcalling that constantly hurts your players and makes the defense comfortable. Its like working for the other team.

Saquon averages 3.9 a rush into the stacked boxes and 6.5 a touch in the passing game. Throw it to him more as a 3rd option if they cover AJ and DeVonta.

I predicted Saquon was going to have 1000 1000 because I KNEW the boxes would be stacked all year. I'm not a gifted OC, I just saw something obvious.

Why can't Patullo and Siri see this? Hmm, Saquon vs a few players or Saquon vs 8 players... nah!

Great players can overcome bad coaching. You can;t be great without the greatness of others and not only are Siri-Patullo not great, they are 30-32 range worst OC in the NFL.

This is Nathaniel Hackett level fraud,

1 hour ago, Joe Ball said:

Agree, the first two calls that were missed, one against GB, and then the one against PHI were obvious without slo-mo but were just ignored. Officiating in general has regressed, where with the inclusion of newer technology combined with human officiating it should improve year over year, or at a minimum become more consistent.

But, let's not forget... the GB one wasn't a 'Tush Push' it was just a regular QB sneak. So, the argument that it should be banned because its hard to officiate (focusing on false starts) is just ridiculous. It's no harder to officiate a false start on a Tush Push than it is any other play.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The offense shot itself in the foot as much as the Packers made plays. The last drive was pitiful. The 4th down call was boneheaded, after two bad play calls on 2nd and 3rd down.

My post after the first half.

13 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Execution on offense has been horrific.

1st Drive - Hurts fumble

2nd Drive - Mailata slips, Barkley slips

3rd Drive - Goedert goes backwards, Hurts' throw late to Goedert

4th Drive - False start, holding, holding

It's on the players.

Milton Williams in 10 games: 27 tackles, 7 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 8 QB hits. Snap count: 392 (65.44%)

Moro Ojomo in 9 games: 20 tackles, 4 TFL, 4 sacks, 8 QB hits. Snap count: 384 (64.97%)

The Toth hold was really bad for 2 reasons.

First, You have to let go there. Don't be stupid.

Second, The Packers did the same thing probably 15 times without a call.

As ugly as Siri and Patullo were yesterday, it still should have been a 13 point win without the refs point shaving.

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

My post after the first half.

In the second half, there was also a play where the throw to Goedert in the flat is wide open, but Hurts rushes the throw and doesn't give Goedert time to clear and turn his head around. Would have been a very easy conversion for a first down, but Hurts seemed to panic and the offense went 3 and out.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In the second half, there was also a play where the throw to Goedert in the flat is wide open, but Hurts rushes the throw and doesn't give Goedert time to clear and turn his head around. Would have been a very easy conversion for a first down, but Hurts seemed to panic and the offense went 3 and out.

I'm pretty sure a pass rusher was closing in on Hurts so the ball had to get out. It was 0.25 seconds early.

I'll rewatch the play later.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But, let's not forget... the GB one wasn't a 'Tush Push' it was just a regular QB sneak. So, the argument that it should be banned because its hard to officiate (focusing on false starts) is just ridiculous. It's no harder to officiate a false start on a Tush Push than it is any other play.

Well, just let me say that I am not against the push. I wasn't speaking about sneak specific plays, the two plays I am referring two weren't push/sneaks. The only way I would be for any change (and I am not saying I am for this) would be to go back to the original spirit of the rule where the ball carrier cannot be assisted. The way I look at it, is if you can't design and execute a play that is within the current rules as effectively as other teams do, that is on the coaching staff (design) and/or players (execution).

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Milton Williams in 10 games: 27 tackles, 7 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 8 QB hits. Snap count: 392 (65.44%)

Moro Ojomo in 9 games: 20 tackles, 4 TFL, 4 sacks, 8 QB hits. Snap count: 384 (64.97%)

It feels like him and Jalyx are putting it together. All of the sudden I’m much more optimistic about the rotation with the Phillips and BG additions. They have enough there to wreck games with Nolan, Carter and JD.

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

After having some time to sleep on it, in hindsight, I’m encouraged by last night’s win…

Given the type of defensive battle it was, when looking at games like this, one way to analyze the offensive performance is to compare how each offense performed and when you do that, the Eagles offense out performed Green Bay’s offense in just about every category.

When you think about how good both defenses were playing, it’s somewhat refreshing to know that we’re more than capable of winning and grinding out tough games like last night - away game, against one of the top teams in the NFL, tough crowd in very cold, windy and difficult conditions.

• Not Hurts’ best game but as usual was clutch enough to grind it out, with some decent plays mixed in.

• Saquon was one of the offensive MVP’s. The stat line this morning may not show it but he made some clutch first down runs and a huge run after the catch.

• Offensive line was solid run blocking and did just enough pass blocking against a d-line that included Parsons.

• Goedert was solid

• Smitty, another offensive MVP with his incredible over the top catch - he’s so good he almost made it look easy.

So overall, given the defensive battle it was, conditions and the way both defenses were playing - not a bad win after all.

And yes - the defense were the overall MVP’s of this game - too many good plays and stops to mention them all. Kudos to them.

There were two Saquon plays that showed both how incredibly good he is (the 41 yard swing pass with the spin move) and how unlucky a lot of his runs have been (the 4th Quarter minus 2 yard run where the O-Line opened a spectacular hole on the right side, but Evan Williams from his deep Safety position correctly diagnosed the play and got to that gaping hole just before Saquon did and wrapped him up for the TFL. It was a superb play by the O-Line. They couldn’t have done it any better. But Williams met their brilliance with some brilliance of his own. Otherwise Saquon would have run 72 yards for a TD.)

Another TFL of Saquon clearly showed how opposing Defenses have come up with tactics to counter the Stoutland running scheme. The Packers D-Lineman timed his rush so that he could shoot the gap that Dickerson created when he was pulling on a play designed to have Saquon run to the right. Stoutland has to adjust the design of those pulling lineman plays so that an opposing D-Lineman doesn’t have an unblocked lane to the ball carrier.

In other news...Nico Harrsion has finally been fired! After regular chants at home games of "Fire Nico!", ownership has caved.

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Conspiracy theory take: the refs are now purposely not calling false starts on the tush push to add to the narrative that it's too hard to officiate, add fuel to the hatred for it, and the desire to ban it.

I think its just that when they are all down in the bunch its harder to see then a guy standing up and moving early.

You also need to only look at short yardage run plays for comparison. Players on 1st and 10 don't have the same urgency to get off the line and players in pass plays don't lurch forward at all.