November 14Nov 14 13 minutes ago, SkippyX said:I wonder if I am the first human on the planet to say this:Hey, maybe Stafford really has it easy this year. Look at the scores of those WRs.The rule is that you are only allowed to talk about their good teammates when its Hurts.I don't know that this chart reflects the skill of the receiver as much as the skill of the play caller. Separation agains zone coverage would likely mean the route is designed to go to a hole in the coverage.
November 14Nov 14 Regarding coaches in general, I like some of the new crop of coaches that are having success. I like Campbell and Vrabel. I like Ben Johnson, we'll see how his career develops, sometimes it's going to the right organization.
November 14Nov 14 Id expect Hurts, a starting QB in the NFL to have confidence in his abilities and want to do more. But, see this part of your post below...23 minutes ago, NOTW said: Nick wants to limit turnovers and play safe, conservative and lean on the run.Do you realize why that is???
November 14Nov 14 Watching the full Hurts press conference from a couple days ago, and he says essentially what AJ Brown says about the offense, but in a more polished way. He talks about always looking for ways to improve, even in wins, that offenses have to score and not rely on defense winning for them, and that even in wins and good offensive performances he's always looking at what can improve. He said even in what was called "the perfect game" (his perfect passer rating), he said there's always things to look at to improve.Smitty, Mailata, Lane, Hurts all say similar things about the offense is capable of more. Those are coaching issues and the players have been frustrated with the offensive coaching for several seasons now. Players all have their limitations and weaknesses, and coaches have to coach to their strengths.
November 14Nov 14 5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Id expect Hurts, a starting QB in the NFL to have confidence in his abilities and want to do more. But, see this part of your post below...Do you realize why that is???Because winning smart turnover free football wins games at a high rate as well as Championships.Love how miserable it makes you.
November 14Nov 14 21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Notice who wasn't there... Jaelen Phillips. He doesn't care about our veterans.
November 14Nov 14 12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Do you realize why that is???They run draws on third and long because the coaching staff thinks that it will produce the best possible outcome... avoiding sacks, turnovers or injury. That is quite the indictment.
November 14Nov 14 If we had an offense moving the ball at will, and a QB throwing 3 or 4 TDs every week it becomes survivable to have an INT every so often. Especially with a defense like ours. Hiding behind the turnover free wins a lot of games (yes its true) is just a bit disingenuous. Its yet another Hurtscuse.
November 14Nov 14 4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Id expect Hurts, a starting QB in the NFL to have confidence in his abilities and want to do more. But, see this part of your post below...Do you realize why that is???I don't normally reply to you anymore because your sole agenda here is to troll and blame Hurts for literally everything, defend Siri and Patullo and say the only reason the offense struggles is Hurts. We all know your schtick and bias so what's the point? But it's Friday, why not.To answer your question Nick is conservative because in 2023 they had so many turnovers and the team collapsed (mostly because of defense). Hurts was slinging it - and most of his passing stats were actually better than in 2022, a season in which he was considered the runner up MVP even by people who don't like him. He was actually passing better in 2023 than 2022, except for the interceptions. Siri WAAAAAY overcorrected to play scared. Hurts proved in 2022 that he could have a strong passing game and limit interceptions. That's not Hurts, that's coaching. Hurts isn't calling a cowards draw on 3rd and long, he's not calling run plays up the middle where Barkley gets 0-1 yards and tackled immediately. Hurts isn't calling runs up the middle instead of the outside. There are successful TD plays where afterward they tell us Hurts and his receiver work it out in the huddle and Hurts calls an audible. Siri trusts Hurts to throw deep balls - he's one of the best in the league at that - including the dagger in the Super Bowl. As I said in the prior post, there are times when the coaches realize they need points and they let the offense fly. Hurts has certain series where they let him pass more, he completes to Smitty, Brown and Goedert and moves the ball downfield. He slings deep passes for TDs. That's not Siri not trusting his QB. Siri said himself this week that the conservative approach has worked the last 2 seasons. He is gun shy because of the 2023 collapse. He knows he has a strong defense, and a run game capable of being great. They finally opened up the run game by adding the 6th O lineman.As I said, Hurts has been critical of the coaches being too conservative, and there are games that his passing performance is strong and he balls out. Last year he said the coaches "took the straight jacket off" after his best offensive performance. This year he said he doesn't want to play scared to lose (paraphrase, I forget how he said that). In the playoffs - games that matter much more than regular season - Hurts has had more passing stats. The NFCCG was among his top passing performances. In the Super Bowl last year when they shut down Barkley, Hurts delivered in the pass game. Last year Hurts highest passing yards regular season game was without AJ Brown; Goedert and Smith balled out and he even threw to Parris Campbell.Players all have their limitations and weaknesses, and coaches have to coach to their strengths. The problem is not Hurts. Hurts is never going to be a top passer in the league, he's not going to rack up passing stats. But the coaching is the problem with the offense because coaches have to call the plays that suit their players best. Hurts doesn't design the WR routes that everyone criticizes. Hurts doesn't design the run plays. Hurts doesn't decide to put in Pryor at RT which was a disaster. Most people recognize the issues in the play calling: respected former players like Ike Reese and Seth Joyner, analysts that break down the film, etc. Yeah, Hurts has his limitations too (like every QB). Most of the QBs in the leagues make way worse mistakes every week and don't win like Hurts does. The players want to do more, it's the coaches calling the offense too conservative.Hurts is currently on pace to have very similar numbers to 2022 - the year he was runner up MVP to Mahomes. Hurts isn't the problem.
November 14Nov 14 3 minutes ago, NOTW said:I don't normally reply to you anymore because your sole agenda here is to troll and blame Hurts for literally everything, defend Siri and Patullo and say the only reason the offense struggles is Hurts. We all know your schtick and bias so what's the point? But it's Friday, why not.To answer your question Nick is conservative because in 2023 they had so many turnovers and the team collapsed (mostly because of defense). Hurts was slinging it - and most of his passing stats were actually better than in 2022, a season in which he was considered the runner up MVP even by people who don't like him. He was actually passing better in 2023 than 2022, except for the interceptions. Siri WAAAAAY overcorrected to play scared. Hurts proved in 2022 that he could have a strong passing game and limit interceptions. That's not Hurts, that's coaching. Hurts isn't calling a cowards draw on 3rd and long, he's not calling run plays up the middle where Barkley gets 0-1 yards and tackled immediately. Hurts isn't calling runs up the middle instead of the outside. There are successful TD plays where afterward they tell us Hurts and his receiver work it out in the huddle and Hurts calls an audible. Siri trusts Hurts to throw deep balls - he's one of the best in the league at that - including the dagger in the Super Bowl. As I said in the prior post, there are times when the coaches realize they need points and they let the offense fly. Hurts has certain series where they let him pass more, he completes to Smitty, Brown and Goedert and moves the ball downfield. He slings deep passes for TDs. That's not Siri not trusting his QB. Siri said himself this week that the conservative approach has worked the last 2 seasons. He is gun shy because of the 2023 collapse. He knows he has a strong defense, and a run game capable of being great. They finally opened up the run game by adding the 6th O lineman.As I said, Hurts has been critical of the coaches being too conservative, and there are games that his passing performance is strong and he balls out. Last year he said the coaches "took the straight jacket off" after his best offensive performance. This year he said he doesn't want to play scared to lose (paraphrase, I forget how he said that). In the playoffs - games that matter much more than regular season - Hurts has had more passing stats. The NFCCG was among his top passing performances. In the Super Bowl last year when they shut down Barkley, Hurts delivered in the pass game. Last year Hurts highest passing yards regular season game was without AJ Brown; Goedert and Smith balled out and he even threw to Parris Campbell.Players all have their limitations and weaknesses, and coaches have to coach to their strengths. The problem is not Hurts. Hurts is never going to be a top passer in the league, he's not going to rack up passing stats. But the coaching is the problem with the offense because coaches have to call the plays that suit their players best. Hurts doesn't design the WR routes that everyone criticizes. Hurts doesn't design the run plays. Hurts doesn't decide to put in Pryor at RT which was a disaster. Most people recognize the issues in the play calling: respected former players like Ike Reese and Seth Joyner, analysts that break down the film, etc. Yeah, Hurts has his limitations too (like every QB). Most of the QBs in the leagues make way worse mistakes every week and don't win like Hurts does. The players want to do more, it's the coaches calling the offense too conservative.Hurts is currently on pace to have very similar numbers to 2022 - the year he was runner up MVP to Mahomes. Hurts isn't the problem.You shouldnt have wasted your time... its nonsense. Its completely ignorant of many facts. And its wrong.
November 14Nov 14 10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:If we had an offense moving the ball at will, and a QB throwing 3 or 4 TDs every week it becomes survivable to have an INT every so often. Especially with a defense like ours. Hiding behind the turnover free wins a lot of games (yes its true) is just a bit disingenuous. Its yet another Hurtscuse.You need to turn up your rhetoric if you expect Hurts to respond.
November 14Nov 14 34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Id expect Hurts, a starting QB in the NFL to have confidence in his abilities and want to do more. But, see this part of your post below...Do you realize why that is???Because Eagles fans lose their minds over negative plays that could have but actually didn't prevent a win.
November 14Nov 14 5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:Because Eagles fans lose their minds over negative plays that could have but actually didn't prevent a win.Playing not to lose was the AR/mcnabb eagles and look how many titles they won right?
November 14Nov 14 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:Playing not to lose was the AR/mcnabb eagles and look how many titles they won right?We're not even done talking (griping) about that 4th down play where we aggressively played to win the game on offense and now all of a sudden we're "playing not to lose?"
November 14Nov 14 14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:Because winning smart turnover free football wins games at a high rate as well as Championships.Love how miserable it makes you.Top 3 QBs of the last 25 years are pretty obvious:BradyRodgers MahomesThe only rate stat that they are all top 6 all-time in? Low interception %Peyton Manning's first 5 years as a Colt: 3.5% interception rate. No playoff wins. 42-38 recordHis next 4 years: 1.9% interception rate: 7 playoff wins and a Super Bowl win. 50-14 recordNote: He had 7 picks on his weird and pathetic 2006 SB run but the opposing QBs had 7 picks and 3 fumbles.Incredible Bob Sanders yearHe won a SB because Rex Grossman turned the ball over 3 times including a pick 6.Next 5 years it goes back up about 50% to 2.5%: 2 playoff wins and a SB loss sealed with a pick 6. 49-15 recordManning has 14 TDs to 15 picks in his playoff losses. He has 26 TDs to 10 picks in his wins. Its not a surprise he was only 14-13 as a playoff starter on loaded teams.That's 23 TDs to 3 picks in 10 of his wins outside of that very weird 2006 SB run.Turnovers kill.
November 14Nov 14 3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:We're not even done talking (griping) about that 4th down play where we aggressively played to win the game on offense and now all of a sudden we're "playing not to lose?"Except that was dumb and not what the coaches called
November 14Nov 14 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:Except that was dumb and not what the coaches calledThere clearly wasn't a punt called.
November 14Nov 14 In the 8 biggest games of Eli's life he had 2 picks total (3 if Asante holds on!)In his other 4 playoff games, all losses, he had 7 picks.He is a .500 career QB in large part because he had 244 picks in 234 starts.
November 14Nov 14 5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:There clearly wasn't a punt called.Not to trigger wgb but it was clearly an effort to get an offsides for a shove and punt if a delay
November 14Nov 14 52 minutes ago, NOTW said:Watching the full Hurts press conference from a couple days ago, and he says essentially what AJ Brown says about the offense, but in a more polished way. He talks about always looking for ways to improve, even in wins, that offenses have to score and not rely on defense winning for them, and that even in wins and good offensive performances he's always looking at what can improve. He said even in what was called "the perfect game" (his perfect passer rating), he said there's always things to look at to improve.Smitty, Mailata, Lane, Hurts all say similar things about the offense is capable of more. Those are coaching issues and the players have been frustrated with the offensive coaching for several seasons now. Players all have their limitations and weaknesses, and coaches have to coach to their strengths.The difference is Hurts says there are things he can improve to improve the offense. Mailata says the same with "we are one block away" and how he needs to play better to improve the offense. Meanwhile Brown never once says anything about how he can improve or help. It's always just a pity party about not getting the ball. If he took accountability once in awhile, his message would be better received.
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