15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Jeff McLane on his podcast brought up something that I haven't really thought about and he said the Eagles having so many different OCs over the years has affected the offense because they have no core philosophy it's just a mish mash of like 4 different OCs that have each borrowed from one another to try to keep things consistent for Hurts, but also trying to tailor an offense to fit his skill set.

He also said he thinks the #1 reason the run offense is struggling is Jalen Hurts. He said teams simply don't respect him as a passer, it's why they use 5 man fronts against the Eagles so often, every team knows how to play the Eagles, they know exactly what's coming. He said he's not absolving Barkley or the OL either, but he said the rumblings coming out of Novacare from various reporters about them being unhappy with Hurts and the offense, he believes it's centered around this. And said he thought it was interesting that Dickerson chose last night to speak out about the 5 man fronts when Dickerson usually isn't a guy who speaks up about stuff.

We’ve had one of the best run offenses in the league every other year with Hurts and he was often credited as a reason. But now all of a sudden we’re to believe he’s the reason they’re struggling with the run this year?

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I partially agree. The OL deterioration was the spark that got this fire going. But it’s deeper than that. An OL that can pass protect and not run block is not supposed to be the absolute death of an offense. We have an OC/HC that have completely failed to adjust and acknowledge that circumstances have changed. We have a qb who can excel with opportunistic low volume passing but who consistently cracks and looks like a fish out of water when you ask him to run a traditional volume passing offense to move off the stagnant running game.

So the OL has fallen off badly, but that had been drastically amplified due to the inadequacies of other areas.

When it comes to the OL, I have been preaching since the offseason that the long season ending in the SB has had an impact on the OL health. Players need a standard recovery time that can not be accelerated...the OL was very banged up by the end of last season and I think there is enough evidence to suggest that they started this season not fully healthy. That being said, the blueprint for controlling the Eagles O was laid out by KC last season and it has been exacerbated with the absolutely horrible play calling. The opposing defenses are crashing gaps when the OL pulls with zero hesitation, because they are not fearing any misdirection or traps. There are absolutely no attempt at running counters to slow the D down...Barkley is getting consistently met in the backfield play after play....it is absolute coaching incompetence.

I wanted to see how much less hurts has run this year compared to previous years. It felt like Jalen hurts wasn’t running as much. I think some of that is because he’s gotten banged up at the end of years and he’s trying to make it through all 17 games as fresh as possible for the postseason. I went and looked at the last four years previous to this.

2022: 165 rushing attempts (15 games)

2023: 157 (17 games)

2024: 150 (15 games)

2025: 80 so far. He’s on pace for 123 over 17 games

This would be the lowest rushing attempts he’s had in his entire career. Even in 2024 he was on pace for 170 if he played all 17. As much as you don’t want him taking the punishment and hits, i think we need to incorporate him running more particularly when we get to the playoffs

I think Hurts can turn it on in the playoffs but the OL still needs to be better and the play calling can’t suck

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Hurts can turn it on in the playoffs but the OL still needs to be better and the play calling can’t suck

Well, I think the oline has its issues with run blocking and isn’t doing Barkley any favors. I do think there is some validity to what whitworth is saying about Saquon looking for the big home run (he also said the OL issues and banged up)0 whereas bigsby is just taking what’s there and that’s why he’s getting positive yardage every carry.

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Jason Kelce is 100% correct and very little of us are acknowledging it.

The O-line is really struggling and not being able to run the ball is what is hurting the offense the most. Not Patullo, not Sirianni, not Hurts, not AJ. It's the O-line. Not being able to have any resemblance of a run game is killing everything. Just makes them much easier to defend. I find it hard to believe that a back as amazing as Saquon is struggling this much after rushing for 2K just last year. He didn't fall off like that in 1 season. It's the O-line.

If they can figure something out and get the run game going, it will open up everything for the offense. If not then they won't repeat. Simple as that.

Agreed that the "Barkley lost a step" narrative seems to have taken on a life of its own as of late. Like you said, the OL hasn't just regressed a bit from their own lofty standards they set last year, they've regressed into being one of the worst run blocking units in the league.

32 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Agreed that the "Barkley lost a step" narrative seems to have taken on a life of its own as of late. Like you said, the OL hasn't just regressed a bit from their own lofty standards they set last year, they've regressed into being one of the worst run blocking units in the league.

I would say it’s a tie with the raiders for the worst

45 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Agreed that the "Barkley lost a step" narrative seems to have taken on a life of its own as of late. Like you said, the OL hasn't just regressed a bit from their own lofty standards they set last year, they've regressed into being one of the worst run blocking units in the league.

No doubt and its been brought up a million times already that Dickerson, Jurgens and obviously Lane are dealing with some kind of injuries that are affecting their play.

If they cant run the ball, I dont see them going far in the playoffs. Maybe to the 2nd round at most.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

We’ve had one of the best run offenses in the league every other year with Hurts and he was often credited as a reason. But now all of a sudden we’re to believe he’s the reason they’re struggling with the run this year?

Ya. BS... OL has been trash and Saquon is missing his lanes when there are some trying to hit the big ones. Jurgens and Dickerson haven't been healthy all year and it shows. They need to sit Jurgens and let him heal up. Get Tank some more touches.

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just hope it's not something related to his ACL tear from last year. It's weird the NFL just let them put him on IR and never disclose the injury.

I wonder if its something more serious and private - and this is doing him a favour which doesn't bode too well for him being the replacement to Makuba

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Jeff McLane on his podcast brought up something that I haven't really thought about and he said the Eagles having so many different OCs over the years has affected the offense because they have no core philosophy it's just a mish mash of like 4 different OCs that have each borrowed from one another to try to keep things consistent for Hurts, but also trying to tailor an offense to fit his skill set.

He also said he thinks the #1 reason the run offense is struggling is Jalen Hurts. He said teams simply don't respect him as a passer, it's why they use 5 man fronts against the Eagles so often, every team knows how to play the Eagles, they know exactly what's coming. He said he's not absolving Barkley or the OL either, but he said the rumblings coming out of Novacare from various reporters about them being unhappy with Hurts and the offense, he believes it's centered around this. And said he thought it was interesting that Dickerson chose last night to speak out about the 5 man fronts when Dickerson usually isn't a guy who speaks up about stuff.

There’s probably some truth to that, but it’s an oversimplification to be sure. You do want to make Hurts beat you with his arm and take away his run lanes as best you can, but he’s still a 67.2% passer with 17 TD to 1 INT, and 11 yards per completion. If defenses are stacking the LOS, you simply have to let Hurts air it out to take them out of that alignment. Take what the defense is giving you instead of trying to jam the run game through a congested line.

Hurts is not a rhythm passer, but the Eagles do have quick pass routes that are designed to get the ball out. I like that short pass to Goedert they’ve incorporated, and Brown is still an ideal guy for the short slant. Smith can be used for quick routes as well.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wanted to see how much less hurts has run this year compared to previous years. It felt like Jalen hurts wasn’t running as much. I think some of that is because he’s gotten banged up at the end of years and he’s trying to make it through all 17 games as fresh as possible for the postseason. I went and looked at the last four years previous to this.

2022: 165 rushing attempts (15 games)

2023: 157 (17 games)

2024: 150 (15 games)

2025: 80 so far. He’s on pace for 123 over 17 games

This would be the lowest rushing attempts he’s had in his entire career. Even in 2024 he was on pace for 170 if he played all 17. As much as you don’t want him taking the punishment and hits, i think we need to incorporate him running more particularly when we get to the playoffs

In the beginning of the year, I thought Hurts looked quick(er), than last year. In the dallass game he looked a bit slow to me.

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F patullo and F sirianni, one of them gets fired after this game

I get the frustration, but they aren't going to fire Sirianni after this season. Playoffs consistently, two SB appearances and a win. Very high win percentage.

He has his issues and I get it, but you don't just toss out what's been largely successful this quickly either.

Now if they have another collapse like in 2023 the seat gets warmer, but it isn't happening.

5 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

It's like every braying horses ass on Twitter thinks they're somehow qualified to call out Sirianni as a coach, like he's the only coach in NFL history to have a talented roster and that's the sole reason for his success. Kellen Moore ran this same damn offense we running this year, he just ran it with a version of Saquon Barkley that wasn't coming off a 380 touch season running behind a dinged up o line.

At best he had a slightly better feel for playcalling, but playcalling gets a buttload easier when your running back threatens to break off a home run TD every other snap.

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Will say this....if the Eagles fall short of their goal to repeat....which was really difficult in the first place, made harder by Patullo.....you get rid of him and next years schedule is easy 13 wins. Every "hard" game is at home. And we actually get 9 home games vs. 8 road games which was the reverse of this year.

Totally agree with Whitworth, the blocking is not there but Saquon is exacerbating it by hesitating and looking for big runs.

Even catching the ball, he's trying to do too much. Keep it simple, take the yards, secure the ball, live for the next play.

Right now I think a 4 yard gain and 2 yard gain would be better than a 2 yard loss and 8 yard gain.

You can have a good OL and a bad OC, and be functional (not good)
You can have a bad OL and a good OC, and be functional (not good)

You can't have a bad OL and a bad OC without a top 5 QB, and be functional.

Jim Johnson used to say his target was to keep teams under 17 points. Patullo is keeping the Eagles at 19. He's so close.

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wanted to see how much less hurts has run this year compared to previous years. It felt like Jalen hurts wasn’t running as much. I think some of that is because he’s gotten banged up at the end of years and he’s trying to make it through all 17 games as fresh as possible for the postseason. I went and looked at the last four years previous to this.

2022: 165 rushing attempts (15 games)

2023: 157 (17 games)

2024: 150 (15 games)

2025: 80 so far. He’s on pace for 123 over 17 games

This would be the lowest rushing attempts he’s had in his entire career. Even in 2024 he was on pace for 170 if he played all 17. As much as you don’t want him taking the punishment and hits, i think we need to incorporate him running more particularly when we get to the playoffs

I think people tend to worry too much about injury potential. I believe by now Hurts has proven that he isn't made of glass. People rarely talk about durability and seem to believe that every dual threat QB is RG3.

With Hurts, one of the things that make him special is his ability to punish defenses with his feet. He was very good at making the correct read on read option plays and that opened things up for M. Sanders and Swift. His ability to actually keep it and run greatly contributed to our league leading rushing offenses. Now, that's a very rare play call and most of his designed runs are tush push runs. He even has more victory formation runs than read options this year.

Another aspect of this "care-for-Hurts-policy" that isn't getting discussed is that as the team leader, every time he slides before a first down marker, it sort of sends a message to the rest of the team that it's okay to quit on a play. It's a bad precedent and one that can reasonably be argued has spilled over to the rest of the team. There are at least plenty of examples that give that merit. If you look at that Dak TD run, that's the kind of effort that a leader makes that inspires teammates to fight with everything.

The leaders on this team need to step up and set the example or we will not see things change.

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Aj brown had 10 targets in that game. 1 target in 2nd and 3rd quarter. Had 6 in the 1st quarter. He caught 5 for 67 (one he didn’t was cause he didn’t get his second foot in). In the 4th quarter he had 3 targets. Caught all 3 for 43 yards and 3 1st downs. He had the one bad throw to him in the 3rd quarter. That was his only target in 2nd and 3rd quarter

Believe you are thinking of Devonta he had a couple throws that were off the mark to him. Had 11 targets and 5 incompletions.

Cool, thanks