Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

What’s the difference in probability of failure of when they did it vs doing it IF they score another TD?

The same. The difference being if you fail the first one you reduce your chances of winning to zero. So the bears then know they dont have to do anything to win. Changes how they play it out.

Must maintain the optionality for a win as long ad possible

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You guys are talking about lower probability plays and vibes. The Eagles needed a two-pointer regardless, so they had to get a "lower probability” play at some point. They shouldn’t delay it because of their feelings in case they don’t get it. If you fail on the first try, you now know how to move forward. Hence the Eagles playing for a FG and the onside kick (not that I agreed with that absurd QB draw to set up said FG).

It's not about feelings or anything like that. It's pure strategy.

It doesn't matter how much you know if you're down nine with three minutes left. The game is over.

If you "know" you're down 7 or 8, you're still playing out the game exactly the same way.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

No, that makes no sense

Did they not need to make a 2pt conversion to tie the game?

So again, what difference does it make when they try?

You guys are saying kick the XP, hope for a magic stop they struggled with all game, hope for another offensive drive they struggled with all game, and hope they make the 2pt conversion in that situation vs the earlier situation when nothing makes a difference at all besides an unquantifiable measurement of "momentum”.

Thinking it mattered makes no sense.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

"If we fail a 2PC, or an XP we are going to need 2 more possessions to win. Which isnt going to happen for us with such little time remaining. So should we try this the hard way that makes a doomed result more likely? Or should we try this the easy way that also likely affords us an opportunity to go tie the game with just ONE more possession?"

" Screw the route that makes it more likely to stay alive and potentially get a win in OT. Lets see if we can lose this game right here. Go for 2. "

@ManuManu "Makes sense! Good decision!"

Wrong again. The odds are very bad if you don’t get the initial two-point conversion, but it’s not 100 percent decided. That’s why they go for 2 so they know exactly how to play out the game.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I bet the Eagles organization is 100 percent on board with going for 2 there.

Great, they’re also on board with a head coach who can’t call plays and relies on elite play callers to have any consistency or identity on offense or defense.

A coach who has more talent than any other team in the NFL and consistently plays to opponent’s skill levels and makes bonehead situational decisions over and over. Many times he’s lucky enough the team wins in spite of him- but what’s he doing the day of to influence a win?

He’s soft, the team is soft, tush push is solved, his OC choices suck, his DC choices suck, his personnel decisions suck, his cuts suck, his ideology stinks, he plays not to lose, and he’s just a bad NFL coach.

He got a championship due to an insane defensive effort and a top 3 OC landing in our lap. Hes the king of crumbles and the master of mistakes.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

It's not about feelings or anything like that. It's pure strategy.

It doesn't matter how much you know if you're down nine with three minutes left. The game is over.

If you "know" you're down 7 or 8, you're still playing out the game exactly the same way.

The game is over at any point you fail the 2pt conversion

Passing offense isn’t the only thing impacted by scheme. We saw a team scheme the hell out of a running game tonight. A ton of counters and misdirections. Eagles defense was totally schooled all game. Meanwhile the Eagles offense is running up the middle with the same blocking schemes every week and wasting one of the best RBs in NFL history. Lurie is going to look back at this season as such a wasted opportunity in a totally wide open NFL if they don’t find a way to fix it. And if they don’t change anything and this team collapses I hope this stings for a while. Because their coaching search in the offseason was a total joke. And during the season they just sat on their ass and allowed this garbage to happen all season. If they end up missing the playoffs I don’t know how the hell they move forward without major changes. This would be so much worse than 2023.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The logic is they needed a 2pt conversion at some point in time. You are stuck on the reality of them not getting it when they tried. It’s a hell of a lot harder to win the game if you fail the conversion with no time left.

Youre not getting that while failing either option made it a 2 possession game, failing the 2PC had a higher probability of happening. Kicking the XP makes it MORE LIKELY that theyd have a chance to go try to tie the game and possibly get a win in OT, while taking the added risk of missing the 2PC basically meant they immediately lost.

Trying to get 2 more possessions in regulation had next to no shot of happening.

Only needing 1 more possession in regulation, and then going to OT was a lot more doable.

The eagles chosen route that you are in support of gave the a lesser chance of winning that game. There is no explaining around that fact.

You guys are really committed to this whole 2-point conversion debate, huh? Well, here’s two points I’d like to convert, if you know what I mean.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Honestly, this is so exhausting. Why do human beings all ignore data?

There are defensive coaching regimes that keep their OCs for up to THREE YEARS. Where people know that EVERY facet of the ENTIRE offense is done by the OC, which can be taken and turned into a head coach. Why do Philadelphia fans alone for some godforsaken reason act like the only possible situation is have Nick either be Kyle Shanahan, where OCs literally don't matter, or face poaching that even DCs don't, and then also put that on Nick?

It honestly doesn't make any sense.

I said this earlier as well. Andy is the only guy who calls plays and has won more than Nick. There’s McVay who is rare & Shanahan who still didn’t win. After that there’s a bunch of mostly failed head coach hot shot OCs. It’s not the great answer people are selling it as. The Eagles lost OCs when they went to the SB. Most teams don’t have that ‘problem’

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh, I don’t disagree with what he said. I think he’s 100% accurate. I’ve said this for a couple years the Eagles are one of the only teams I ever see having elite wide receivers and have issues just throwing them the ball.nits one thing if you are rushing for a historical record. That Dallas game might have gone differently if in the second and third quarter you didn’t give AJ Brown one target. I could not imagine what some of the better offensive minds in this league could be doing with the talent. Literally pissing it away

10000%

This offense is about as stagnant 1970s football as I’ve ever seen. Too many weapons to be one of the worst scoring teams in the NFL. Too many teams have less at every position than we do, and find ways to do some things better. The OC can’t coordinate. It’s that simple. If the HC is too afraid to stamp his name on playcalling, fire him or don’t hire ANYONE under his lineage.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Wrong again. The odds are very bad if you don’t get the initial two-point conversion, but it’s not 100 percent decided. That’s why they go for 2 so they know exactly how to play out the game.

At that point (failed 2PC) you needed 2 more possessions in regulation with what? 3 minutes left?

If you had the XP, you needed 1 more possession in regulation. Much more doable to earn the opportunity to go win the game in OT.

How dont you get that?

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

I know everyone wants get rid of KP and iright there but this game he is way down the list of problems today

The Bears doubled time of possession, they ran for Over 250 yards on like 6 yards a carry.

I get theyre tired but they got steam rolled

A few plays looked like guys ran wrong routes or dropped the ball, guys still cant block, hurts 2 TOs, refs screwed the O on a few plays, Barkley actually looked good but the O never had the ball. It was all ugly.

most of thats not on KP, im not saying he was good or is but today wasnt in him.

At this point, we are in week 14, it’s not changing. They are who they are. There was a point in the season where you were hoping they could still turn it around. You hoped going into the bye that was it. They came out of the bye and have looked even worse than they’ve looked prior. At this point, it not sure it matters if you fire patullo or take away play calling. They’re still gonna commit stupid penalties. The offensive line is one of the worst in the league in terms of run blocking.

I think we gotta get to the point of acceptance of what this team is and what they aren’t like 2023. They might get themselves into the playoffs and frankly they probably still should with their schedule. But their offense is what it is. That’s not changing til the offseason

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The game is over at any point you fail the 2pt conversion

Well, we will never know if they would have failed the 2PC at the end of the game because they never gave themselves the opportunity to get there. Because of the wrong decision.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did they not need to make a 2pt conversion to tie the game?

So again, what difference does it make when they try?

You guys are saying kick the XP, hope for a magic stop they struggled with all game, hope for another offensive drive they struggled with all game, and hope they make the 2pt conversion in that situation vs the earlier situation when nothing makes a difference at all besides an unquantifiable measurement of "momentum”.

Thinking it mattered makes no sense.

Matters very must because of time. If you miss now there is no viable Route to a win. If you even GET to try it later you have suceeded and are now at the final stage and if you miss there is

No time ledt to overcome it anyway

Very on theme for us to hand the game

To them today even in the end with dumb decisions

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youre not getting that while failing either option made it a 2 possession game, failing the 2PC had a higher probability of happening. Kicking the XP makes it MORE LIKELY that theyd have a chance to go try to tie the game and possibly get a win in OT, while taking the added risk of missing the 2PC basically meant they immediately lost.

Trying to get 2 more possessions in regulation had next to no shot of happening.

Only needing 1 more possession in regulation, and then going to OT was a lot more doable.

The eagles chosen route that you are in support of gave the a lesser chance of winning that game. There is no explaining around that fact.

I get it plenty.

If they fail on the second unlikely TD, the games over. If they fail on the first, it’s next to no chance they win.

So.... who's going to be the next OC in our carousel of OCs?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, we will never know if they would have failed the 2PC at the end of the game because they never gave themselves the opportunity to get there. Because of the wrong decision.

Yes, because you’re believing in hope and the unknown.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The game is over at any point you fail the 2pt conversion

Correct, and I think that's the entire point. I'm just stringing the game out as long as possible before making that 2pt conversion happen.

1 minute ago, GoEagles614 said:

10000%

This offense is about as stagnant 1970s football as I’ve ever seen. Too many weapons to be one of the worst scoring teams in the NFL. Too many teams have less at every position than we do, and find ways to do some things better. The OC can’t coordinate. It’s that simple. If the HC is too afraid to stamp his name on playcalling, fire him or don’t hire ANYONE under his lineage.

Patullo stinks. Nick Sirianni’s offense only seems to only work when he has really good offensive coordinators. His offense is also very predictable. I said this during the game. When you watch them, you can tell when they’re gonna run and where they’re gonna run. It was very easy to pick up today. They also don’t use personnel well and is way way way too reliant on their talent. It’s a stale, non-creative and predictable offense.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did they not need to make a 2pt conversion to tie the game?

So again, what difference does it make when they try?

You guys are saying kick the XP, hope for a magic stop they struggled with all game, hope for another offensive drive they struggled with all game, and hope they make the 2pt conversion in that situation vs the earlier situation when nothing makes a difference at all besides an unquantifiable measurement of "momentum”.

Thinking it mattered makes no sense.

Good chance if they kicked the XP, It would be missed. That's the kind of game they were having

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Correct, and I think that's the entire point. I'm just stringing the game out as long as possible before making that 2pt conversion happen.

Fair enough, I just see that as delaying the inevitable while also boxing yourself into a corner if you miss it on the second TD.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I get it plenty.

If they fail on the second unlikely TD, the games over. If they fail on the first, it’s next to no chance they win.

I cant believe it wont compute for you how much more unlikely the failed 2PC there made winning.... I have nothing left to say.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Fair enough, I just see that as delaying the inevitable while also boxing yourself into a corner if you miss it on the second TD.

Another small benefit of going for 2 first (and getting it) is potentially getting a penalty on a game-tying XP and all of a sudden having a chance to win it from the 1 yard line. I’m not saying that should play any role in your decision making, but it’s a nonzero benefit.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes, because you’re believing in hope and the unknown.

Yes. Thats exactly what you want rather than certain defeat.