Nick is closer to Doug than he is Harbaugh or Tomlin. I can easily see a 2020 disaster happening under Nick instead of him stringing together 10 straight years of 9-10+ win seasons and some playoff appearances. Especially as the talent on the roster begins to wane over the next several years.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Nick is closer to Doug than he is Harbaugh or Tomlin. I can easily see a 2020 disaster happening under Nick instead of him stringing together 10 straight years of 9-10+ win seasons and some playoff appearances. Especially as the talent on the roster begins to wane over the next several years.

Been saying for a couple weeks he is a more conservative Doug who has a more talented roster that will prevent a completely crater like 2020 unless injuries happen. Doug had his faults (similar to sirianni) but his roster also severely deteriorated by 2020 and wentz fell Off a cliff

Imo sirianni is going to have the same fate as doug in his next stop. I don’t think he’ll remotely have this type of roster for 4-5 years to win at the clip he has. I fall in the category that Sirianni’s success is more of a reflection on howie’s roster construction, lurie/howie hiring guys like fangio and moore and his good OCs making a vanilla playbook appear competent

14 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

This is where the analytics robots lose me because they don’t take the flow of the game, momentum, and the fact the defense gave up almost 300 yards on the ground into consideration and the likelihood of them getting two stops is not in their favor.

Going for 2 after the first TD and missing it all but ends the game. The goal there is to extend the game by any means and then worry about converting a 2 point conversion if you score again. That’s a scenario you want to be in. The defense for going for 2 after the first TD is that "you at least know what you have to do moving forward” which comes down to relying on an onsides kick which is pretty much impossible. Technically 4.7% if you’re going by the end of October numbers. Do you want to rely on those odds?

Taking the XP and making it an 8 point game gives you momentum back, it brings the energy back into the crowd, it gives the defense juice, and it allows you to kick the ball deep and play from there.

1. The stadium was empty. They showed masses exiting after the Bears were up 24-9 with 6 minutes left. There was no bringing the crowd back. I also highly doubt there was giving the defense juice given how many snaps they played on Sunday and also being on the field the majority of today.

2. It’s not even analytics. They needed to score a 2pt conversion at some point. It’s math.

3. The focus continues to be on because they failed. If they failed in any scenario they likely lose. If they fail how they did, they likely lose. If they fail how you want, they definitely lose.

Did anyone score any good black friday deals?

I got some new pots and pans, and a battery caddy.

Also have someone coming out tomorrow for an estimate on installing Govee permanent outdoor lights. So might buy those on sale too if we decide to go through with the install.

Yesterday I used our amazon link to buy a storage bench for my house, and 2 heated vests as christmas gifts for my parents.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Did anyone score any good black friday deals?

I got some new pots and pans, and a battery caddy.

Also have someone coming out tomorrow for an estimate on installing Govee permanent outdoor lights. So might buy those on sale too if we decide to go through with the install.

Yesterday I used our amazon link to buy a storage bench for my house, and 2 heated vests as christmas gifts for my parents.

I found something I liked that I actually need but I waited in hopes of a better deal coming along the way by happenstance

Jihaad Campbell has been phased out completely huh

34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Siri's comments about not changing the play caller because its never just 1 person leave me hoping its just coach speak because the game literally just ended and he is not ready to announce any changes like that yet.

Just because it is a lot of things doest mean you dont go about fixing what you can. I think thats obvious and he knows that.

He is either going to do it ,or he is suffering from paralysis by analysis and needs the bosses to step in and do what should be obvious.

He really doesn’t have to announce it, nor should he. Just take it over, and the media will figure it out during the Chargers game.

Nick should be able to do a much better job play calling than he did in 2021. He and Hurts should be on the same page with what Hurts prefers to do.

I’m currently trying to wrap my head around why a team so heavily invested in analytics gives 15 carries to a player with a 3.7 yard per carry while the player with 9.2 yards per carry never touches the ball all game. If I were Bigsby I’d have stood up in the locker room just before Nick’s postgame speech and yelled "What time does the game start, coach?”

They’re stuck in 2024 and trying to ride the same guys again.

Get him

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Guys, I may wish to be cremated. With that known, Id prefer to do that at the end of my life. I know its going to need to be done anyway. But Id rather not do it right now. Id prefer to actually live to the the end of my life first. We dont know when my life will end, but we dont have to make the decision to burn me up now so that at least we know Im dead. I know some of you think its common sense to incinerate me right now since it will need to be done anyway. But youd be wrong.

But, if we burn you up right now and it turns out to be the wrong decision ….. you’ll get a sincere apology from me. That might turn out to be the best thing all around.

Just kidding. I think kicking the XP was the right call there.

10 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Jihaad Campbell has been phased out completely huh

Who?

I don’t even understand the momentum argument. They drove 80 yards in 3 minutes and scored a TD. Is that not momentum? You want to rely on the defense to get a stop they struggled with all day, the offense to go another 70ish+ yard TD drive they struggled with all day, for what? Super sized momentum?

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

He really doesn’t have to announce it, nor should he. Just take it over, and the media will figure it out during the Chargers game.

Nick should be able to do a much better job play calling than he did in 2021. He and Hurts should be on the same page with what Hurts prefers to do.

I’m currently trying to wrap my head around why a team so heavily invested in analytics gives 15 carries to a player with a 3.7 yard per carry while the player with 9.2 yards per carry never touches the ball all game. If I were Bigsby I’d have stood up in the locker room just before Nick’s postgame speech and yelled "What time does the game start, coach?”

They’re stuck in 2024 and trying to ride the same guys again.

The greatest thing about 2024 is that we won a Super Bowl. And that is the ultimate goal. But the only bad thing to come about from 2024 is that they think that is a sustainable blueprint in today’s nfl. IMO said that at the end of last year it wasn’t sustainable because you can have an offense with a below average passing game but survive off no. 1 defense and create a historic running game every year. Too hard to replicate a historic running game and always have your defense be top notch. Especially the defense in a salary cap era. The Eagles having the 30th ranked pass offense and winning a Super Bowl is not the norm.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

But, if we burn you up right now and it turns out to be the wrong decision ….. you’ll get a sincere apology from me. That might turn out to be the best thing all around.

Just kidding. I think kicking the XP was the right call there.

Thats right.

Christmas meal is going to have to be cooked. So I just turned my oven on now. Once my house is burned down I can explain that it was a brilliant decision to turn the oven on already because at least now I know for sure the oven pre-heated. Great to have that information early!

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What’s gonna make this whole season feel worse in the end, is that the Eagles have 10 out of 11 starters out there on offense and 10 out of 11 starters out there on defense going into week 14. They’ve been pretty fortunate with injury luck this season and yet on the verge of an implosion.

Two things I've been thinking about.

1. Given the stakes, the quality of the roster and all that and coming off an embarrassing loss and you're at home on a short week for a huge game for seeding... that is one of the most embarrassing losses in a while. I honestly think it tops any loss of 2023. It was their worst game of the season in their biggest game of the season. They came out totally lifeless. Something very un Eagle like lately. That was very concerning how they looked like they completely quit. Once you get those vibes, it's time to sound the alarms in any season.

2. This Eagles offense is the single most disappointing unit in Philly sports history. Can you think of an offense, defense, or special teams that has played so below expectations that this has? This is why I really want to see how Lurie responds here. If something is bad that's one thing. When it gets into unique territory of suckage like worst in the NFL or most disappointing in franchise history, that's a whole other level.

This is the worst Eagles offense since 2005.

That would be the Mike McMahon led Eagles.

Yikes.

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

1. The stadium was empty. They showed masses exiting after the Bears were up 24-9 with 6 minutes left. There was no bringing the crowd back. I also highly doubt there was giving the defense juice given how many snaps they played on Sunday and also being on the field the majority of today.

2. It’s not even analytics. They needed to score a 2pt conversion at some point. It’s math.

3. The focus continues to be on because they failed. If they failed in any scenario they likely lose. If they fail how they did, they likely lose. If they fail how you want, they definitely lose.

I’m not going to keep going on about this because if you disagree then you disagree and I respect your opinion.

But given the situation I would have accepted them kicking the XP after the first TD, getting a defensive stop, and then scoring a TD after and failing the 2PC and losing by one. I wouldn’t have been sitting there saying "they should have gone for the 2PC after the first TD, those idiots” because they extended the game as long as they could have instead of losing the game the moment they jeapordized making it an 8 point game and failed getting 2 after the first TD.

A lot of you are content with relying on recovering an onsides kick that has less than a 5% chance of happening. I would have taken my chances holding off on going for two if they had scored again and been fine with whatever the result was.

The situation all of us should have been wanting was them down 8 points, the defense gets a stop, and the offense gets the ball back with a chance to tie it. That immediately ends if you fail getting the 2PC after that first TD which is what happened. The game was immediately over after that.

2 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

This is the worst Eagles offense since 2005.

That would be the Mike McMahon led Eagles.

Yikes.

What a coincidence i went to the cardinals/eagles game that year in Tempe. Next week to the chargers/eagles game in LA

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

"If we fail a 2PC, or an XP we are going to need 2 more possessions to win. Which isnt going to happen for us with such little time remaining. So should we try this the hard way that makes a doomed result more likely? Or should we try this the easy way that also likely affords us an opportunity to go tie the game with just ONE more possession?"

" Screw the route that makes it more likely to stay alive and potentially get a win in OT. Lets see if we can lose this game right here. Go for 2. "

@ManuManu "Makes sense! Good decision!"

Yeah I tried really hard to understand the explanation of why that was the right move but I still don’t understand.

The remainder of the game wasn’t going to change down 7 or 8. Down 9 it’s over.

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I’m not going to keep going on about this because if you disagree then you disagree and I respect your opinion.

But given the situation I would have accepted them kicking the XP after the first TD, getting a defensive stop, and then scoring a TD after and failing the 2PC and losing by one. I wouldn’t have been sitting there saying "they should have gone for the 2PC after the first TD, those idiots” because they extended the game as long as they could have instead of losing the game the moment they jeapordized making it an 8 point game and failed getting 2 after the first TD.

A lot of you are content with relying on recovering an onsides kick that has less than 5% chance of happening. I would have taken my chances holding off on going for two if they had scored again and been fine with whatever the result was.

I’ll agree to disagree. I get all the points from both sides.

The major difference though is no one is content with relying on recovering an onsides kick. If everyone knew relying on a onsides kick was a given, everyone would take the XP. You have to separate process from result.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’ll agree to disagree. I get all the points from both sides.

The major difference though is no one is content with relying on recovering an onsides kick. If everyone knew relying on a onsides kick was a given, everyone would take the XP. You have to separate process from result.

You take the risk of relying on an onsides kick the moment you go for 2 after that first TD though. You have to avoid a two possession game at all costs in that moment. I know Jake missed an XP earlier but I’ll take my chances that he doesn’t miss a second one.

Again, the scenario you’re hoping for is they get the ball back with around 2:50 left, down 8, and no timeouts. That’s best case scenario assuming the defense forces a three and out. If they score again and miss the 2PC then it is what it is and ball game is over. You at least extended the game and gave yourself a 50/50 chance in the end. You save that bullet and those odds until the very end. When their defense is on tilt, your offense has all of the momentum, and they’re in a moment where I actually trust Hurts to come through because he has shown he shines in those all or nothing situations.

Kempski dropped this nugget in his awards article

he's not being helped by Hurts, who I'm told does not love having a lot of designed QB runs in the gameplan.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kempski dropped this nugget in his awards article

he's not being helped by Hurts, who I'm told does not love having a lot of designed QB runs in the gameplan.

Part of this I think comes from the fact he’s been banged up at the end of the year. Part of this is also that I think he kinda has a little bit of an ego that he wants to prove he could beat you throwing the ball. Frankly, hurts needs to start looking at the fact their offense runs better when he’s a threat as a runner. Cause right now over the last four games as a passer he hasn’t looked very good outside of a first 3 drives against Dallas and in garbage time against the Bears.