Would be kinda cool to see a little Harbaugh vs Sirianni confrontation during or after the game. Both fiery, passionate guys.

Maybe something similar to the Harbaugh Jim Schwartz handshake incident 😆😆

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 no he wasn’t. That was 2021. He was runner up MVP in 2022 after we got AJ brown and smith was in his second season. 

So that wasn’t even the Lamar year lol. I’m all messed up. Hurts was pretty great that year for sure, but MVP? I think that was more a product of how bad QB play was around the league too.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Then it'd be on us to change because the league finally adapted

Seems like its gonna be banned anyway so no need to change. Just work on regular QB sneaks unless they ban that too.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There was a decent, loud portion that turned on Wentz early because they wanted to keep Foles and trade Wentz. Especially after the 2018 post season where Foles showed a little magic again.

I’ll light a candle for the non believers.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There are always factions of people who choose their QB and run the same debate points into the ground. Kolb vs Vick, Vick vs Foles, Foles vs Bradford...there were even some who wanted Mark Sanchez to start. Then Wentz vs Foles, Wentz vs Hurts, some wanted Minshew to start, some want McKee to start.

You're right. Some fans this week have trashed Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis saying they haven't done ANYTHING all year.

There are always a small group of people that just are negative and over the top when the team is losing.

That is why no matter who the QB is, he would get criticism from the fan base. On some social media platforms, there are a lot of fans that support Jalen Hurts and recognize that while he does have issues and weaknesses, his OC doesn't help him at all.

I think the issue is that there’s factions in this fan base where you have to be all in and he’s the greatest Qb if you don’t believe that you are a hater. And the other side he’s not good and we need to replace him and if you don’t see it the you are blind.

This year’s been pretty hard to watch even when they are winning. Emotionally when I watch games this year it is usually frustration and anger with the offense as they have so much talent and multitude of reasons it’s being wasted. (We can have the discussion with people about how much talent they have on offense. But if you go look around the rest of the league, the Eagles are very much more talented than the majority of the league.)

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

They should, just make the QB a runner and they’ll protect themselves better.

Been saying it for years. They are runners. Treat them like runners and they are much less likely to get hurt.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There was a decent, loud portion that turned on Wentz early because they wanted to keep Foles and trade Wentz. Especially after the 2018 post season where Foles showed a little magic again.

I still think it as the minority. It was a louder minority. I still don’t think it was the majority. Most of the fan base knew they were moving on with wentz and believed he could get back to 2017.

If reports about Hurts are true (doesn't like QB designed runs, doesn't want to throw over the middle) then what does that say about the coaches?

If you're a Head Coach that is supposed to be a leader of men and your QB tells you he doesn't want to do things - things that analytics prove are successful - then you bench him.

Now, we've heard Hurts (and other players) complain about the OC multiple times over different seasons so that's different OCs. Take the straight jacket off, don't play to not lose. The WRs in the past said they need to be let loose to do what they do, this year AJ said let your killers do their thing (paraphrase). Multiple years the O linemen have criticized the offensive philosophy and lack of run game publicly across different OCs.

Hurts isn't the reason they're not giving Tank any carries, or keeping Cooper as a returner, or the many other things people have pointed out with evidence that are coaching issues.

If Hurts is a problem, you need to also direct criticism to the coaches who aren't doing anything about it.

We've seen Hurts make great throws, have great games, take snaps under center, throw to the middle and all the things people say he refuses to do. Experts and analysts say the OC is the problem.

It's coaching. Everything comes down to the Head Coach holding his staff and players accountable and making the necessary changes.

shittyerey sups

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Seems like its gonna be banned anyway so no need to change. Just work on regular QB sneaks unless they ban that too.

I really wish they would run it less anyway. Run some normal plays. Or line up for it and don't move a muscle, see if you can get the defense a penalty and if they don't, then snap and toss to Barkley.

6 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

So that wasn’t even the Lamar year lol. I’m all messed up. Hurts was pretty great that year for sure, but MVP? I think that was more a product of how bad QB play was around the league too.

Tbh he probably would’ve won the mvp if he didn’t get hurt that year. However Mahomes was great that year. He had 5250 yards and 41-12 TD to int (add on 4 rushing tds). however hurts was the betting favorite before he got hurt in Chicago then missed the next 2 weeks.

My wife and I booked a vacation in Mexico in March - 11/22 - 11/29. Fantastic luck! I thereby missed the Cowboys, the Bears, and UM/OSU. I would have been SO miserable. Now, not so much and, frankly, I expected all three losses.

What I now contemplate is the firing of Siri at season’s end. I’d have thought that impossible but now? Not so much. They’re worse than their record and the coaching, Fangio aside, has been execrable. It’s the same thing over and over.

As far as Michigan goes, I expected that result. OSU is more seasoned and experienced while Michigan started 6 freshmen on offense. The future is bright.

The chargers are going to steamroll this team

40 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Hurts was runner up MVP in 2022 and still some hated him and called him trash.

Eagles fans are harsh on literally every QB. There's a reason for the old quote "the most popular player in Philadelphia is the backup QB."

I dont think thats accurate. It probably took a while for some of us to come around on him during that season but by the end I was considering getting a jersey.

Next thing you know, Im glad I didnt get a jersey.

Same thing happened after he won the super bowl. Got the painting of him with the trophy. Considered getting a jersey. Soon as week 1 rolls around he shows me why I cant stand watching him again. Now Im very glad I didnt waste money on one of his jerseys.

Every time he puts a few weeks together and you think he is coming around as a QB, he proves again that he sucks.

However, if you go back in time, youd find a few periods where everyone was feeling much more positively about him.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the issue is that there’s factions in this fan base where you have to be all in and he’s the greatest Qb if you don’t believe that you are a hater. And the other side he’s not good and we need to replace him and if you don’t see it the you are blind.

This year’s been pretty hard to watch even when they are winning. Emotionally when I watch games this year it is usually frustration and anger with the offense as they have so much talent and multitude of reasons it’s being wasted. (We can have the discussion with people about how much talent they have on offense. But if you go look around the rest of the league, the Eagles are very much more talented than the majority of the league.)

Hurts contract and no trade clause means he's not going anywhere this offseason. They will hopefully get a new OC and hopefully that coach will get more input to run what works and push back on Nick. This roster can repeat as SB champions and can be a dynasty if they do it right.

If Hurts continues to struggle and isn't getting it done, then when the time comes that it's feasible contract wise - and he approves it because of the clause - they can try to trade him. But that's not happening anytime soon so the real fix is the OC.

1 minute ago, GoEagles5921 said:

The chargers are going to steamroll this team

As could the little sisters of the poor.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh he probably would’ve won the mvp if he didn’t get hurt that year. However Mahomes was great that year. He had 5250 yards and 41-12 TD to int (add on 4 rushing tds). however hurts was the betting favorite before he got hurt in Chicago then missed the next 2 weeks.

That was near the height of Mahomes fatigue though too. Hurts was very good that year don’t get me wrong but I laughed at the mvp talk all year.

If Allen were the Eagles QB many of you would criticize these numbers, note that they won because of rushing (team 249 yards, Cook 144 yards) and defense and that the Steelers had to bring in their backup QB.

I like Allen and would be happy if he were the Eagles QB. Just pointing out that his number aren't always great either and if he were here, these same miserable people that hate our QBs would be harsh on him too.

49 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Of course there are better QBs than Hurts. Consider how things played out though. Let's say they never drafted Hurts (which was a surprise to us at the time after signing Wentz to that contract). The 2020 season goes the same and they fire Doug and get rid of Wentz. Then they need a new QB. And new Head Coach Nick Sirianni can give his input to the QB he will work with.

The QBs taken in the 2021 draft:

They originally had the #8 pick. Would Howie have traded up for either Lawrence (meh), Wilson (bust) or Lance (bust)? They went #1-#3, and Howie would have had to trade up more capital to get them, leaving less assets for what they did the next year (trade for AJ Brown, draft Davis, trade back to get future pick to draft Carter). Would he have stayed put and taken Fields (bust) or Mac Jones (bust)?

Any one of those guys would get roasted by fans more than Hurts. And they wouldn't have DeVonta Smith who they took in that draft.

The Eagles also signed Joe Flacco that year, then traded him. Perhaps he could have been a stop gap. But would they have won games? Flacco didn't do ish for 4 years, until this year all of a sudden a resurgence.

If they did that and waited until 2022 to draft a QB, the options were:

Again, each of them would be criticized just as much or more than Hurts.

Hurts isn't a great passer and we will see how things go, when the time comes that they move on from him who they replace him with. Whoever that guy is will get run out of town by the fans too. Fans criticized McNabb, Vick, Wentz, every QB. Eagles fans are never happy with the QB.

Supposedly Howie liked Wilson so despite people here whining I’m pretty happy with 2 Super Bowls and one championship in that time.

the ravens lead the north

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

That was near the height of Mahomes fatigue though too. Hurts was very good that year don’t get me wrong but I laughed at the mvp talk all year.

It was pretty laughable at a QB with his passing stats winning MVP. 22 passing TDs. Less than 4000 yards... It was his rushing yards and additional rushing TDs that made it seem like a great season. And yes, its an extremely weak era for QB play. Hurts has at times been a top 5, even top 3 QB, and thats just sad for the rest of the league because hes nowhere close to the actual great QBs we have seen in our lifetimes.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If Allen were the Eagles QB many of you would criticize these numbers, note that they won because of rushing (team 249 yards, Cook 144 yards) and defense and that the Steelers had to bring in their backup QB.

I like Allen and would be happy if he were the Eagles QB. Just pointing out that his number aren't always great either and if he were here, these same miserable people that hate our QBs would be harsh on him too.

I would.

But Id never expect to see those numbers form him with our personnel. Id even say that with him playing in the same system we have now with the current HC/OC combo.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If Allen were the Eagles QB many of you would criticize these numbers, note that they won because of rushing (team 249 yards, Cook 144 yards) and defense and that the Steelers had to bring in their backup QB.

I like Allen and would be happy if he were the Eagles QB. Just pointing out that his number aren't always great either and if he were here, these same miserable people that hate our QBs would be harsh on him too.

Cook, Cooks, HE, Forum poster #37

Saquon, AJ, Smitty, Goedert

Tough call 🤔

More points than we've scored in the majority of our games, too.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Hurts contract and no trade clause means he's not going anywhere this offseason. They will hopefully get a new OC and hopefully that coach will get more input to run what works and push back on Nick. This roster can repeat as SB champions and can be a dynasty if they do it right.

If Hurts continues to struggle and isn't getting it done, then when the time comes that it's feasible contract wise - and he approves it because of the clause - they can try to trade him. But that's not happening anytime soon so the real fix is the OC.

I don’t think Jalen hurts is getting trade this offseason. Unless he goes to Jeffrey Lurie and says I don’t wanna work with sirianni and I want out of here unless Nick is gone. Even then i think lurie probably sides with hurts as I tend to believe that Nick Sirianni was closer to being fired at the end of 2023 then we know. I’m very curious to hear what comes out at the end of the nick Sirianni era. Cause I am guessing there’s gonna be some gossip. Because they’re always is with the Eagles.

That said, on no trade clause I think it’s easier to get around than the money issue. I say that because if the organization went to him and said, we think it’s best if you go elsewhere and they can try to maximize your talent. And it’s better for us to move in another direction. He can say no I don’t wanna be traded. However, the Eagles can also just sit him on the bench and use his ultimate replacement. Not saying is happening or would go down like that. I think hurts would rather play than go down that road nor want to stay somewhere where he does not feel wanted. That said I also don’t think you could just send him to Cleveland and he’d be accepting of it. I think that’s where the NTC comes in. You’d have to work with him in finding that new organization.

All that said, he’s not getting trade this off-season. We all know what’s gonna happen. Lurie and roseman are going to force sirianni to get a new OC. If he doesn’t want to do it then I think he goes the way of Doug. If he does accept that, then they’re gonna go and pick the next OC for him. If we get to the end of 2026 and this offense is still dysfunctional then I think Nick Sirianni is gone. Imo i believe that’s when the eagles begin setting themselves up for potentially moving on from hurts (similarly what they kind of did in 2021 when they went with Hurts but also set themselves up to maneuver in different directions if he didn’t work out)

16 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If reports about Hurts are true (doesn't like QB designed runs, doesn't want to throw over the middle) then what does that say about the coaches?

If you're a Head Coach that is supposed to be a leader of men and your QB tells you he doesn't want to do things - things that analytics prove are successful - then you bench him.

Now, we've heard Hurts (and other players) complain about the OC multiple times over different seasons so that's different OCs. Take the straight jacket off, don't play to not lose. The WRs in the past said they need to be let loose to do what they do, this year AJ said let your killers do their thing (paraphrase). Multiple years the O linemen have criticized the offensive philosophy and lack of run game publicly across different OCs.

Hurts isn't the reason they're not giving Tank any carries, or keeping Cooper as a returner, or the many other things people have pointed out with evidence that are coaching issues.

If Hurts is a problem, you need to also direct criticism to the coaches who aren't doing anything about it.

We've seen Hurts make great throws, have great games, take snaps under center, throw to the middle and all the things people say he refuses to do. Experts and analysts say the OC is the problem.

It's coaching. Everything comes down to the Head Coach holding his staff and players accountable and making the necessary changes.

Bad hitters can hit 450' home runs every now and then. It doesn't mean they have to stay in the middle of the lineup, or in the lineup at all. The fact that Hurts has made great throws and had great games isnt proof that the OC is the problem and he isn't.