4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If Allen were the Eagles QB many of you would criticize these numbers, note that they won because of rushing (team 249 yards, Cook 144 yards) and defense and that the Steelers had to bring in their backup QB.

I like Allen and would be happy if he were the Eagles QB. Just pointing out that his number aren't always great either and if he were here, these same miserable people that hate our QBs would be harsh on him too.

Cook, Cooks, HE, Forum poster #37

Saquon, AJ, Smitty, Goedert

Tough call 🤔

More points than we've scored in the majority of our games, too.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Hurts contract and no trade clause means he's not going anywhere this offseason. They will hopefully get a new OC and hopefully that coach will get more input to run what works and push back on Nick. This roster can repeat as SB champions and can be a dynasty if they do it right.

If Hurts continues to struggle and isn't getting it done, then when the time comes that it's feasible contract wise - and he approves it because of the clause - they can try to trade him. But that's not happening anytime soon so the real fix is the OC.

I don’t think Jalen hurts is getting trade this offseason. Unless he goes to Jeffrey Lurie and says I don’t wanna work with sirianni and I want out of here unless Nick is gone. Even then i think lurie probably sides with hurts as I tend to believe that Nick Sirianni was closer to being fired at the end of 2023 then we know. I’m very curious to hear what comes out at the end of the nick Sirianni era. Cause I am guessing there’s gonna be some gossip. Because they’re always is with the Eagles.

That said, on no trade clause I think it’s easier to get around than the money issue. I say that because if the organization went to him and said, we think it’s best if you go elsewhere and they can try to maximize your talent. And it’s better for us to move in another direction. He can say no I don’t wanna be traded. However, the Eagles can also just sit him on the bench and use his ultimate replacement. Not saying is happening or would go down like that. I think hurts would rather play than go down that road nor want to stay somewhere where he does not feel wanted. That said I also don’t think you could just send him to Cleveland and he’d be accepting of it. I think that’s where the NTC comes in. You’d have to work with him in finding that new organization.

All that said, he’s not getting trade this off-season. We all know what’s gonna happen. Lurie and roseman are going to force sirianni to get a new OC. If he doesn’t want to do it then I think he goes the way of Doug. If he does accept that, then they’re gonna go and pick the next OC for him. If we get to the end of 2026 and this offense is still dysfunctional then I think Nick Sirianni is gone. Imo i believe that’s when the eagles begin setting themselves up for potentially moving on from hurts (similarly what they kind of did in 2021 when they went with Hurts but also set themselves up to maneuver in different directions if he didn’t work out)

16 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If reports about Hurts are true (doesn't like QB designed runs, doesn't want to throw over the middle) then what does that say about the coaches?

If you're a Head Coach that is supposed to be a leader of men and your QB tells you he doesn't want to do things - things that analytics prove are successful - then you bench him.

Now, we've heard Hurts (and other players) complain about the OC multiple times over different seasons so that's different OCs. Take the straight jacket off, don't play to not lose. The WRs in the past said they need to be let loose to do what they do, this year AJ said let your killers do their thing (paraphrase). Multiple years the O linemen have criticized the offensive philosophy and lack of run game publicly across different OCs.

Hurts isn't the reason they're not giving Tank any carries, or keeping Cooper as a returner, or the many other things people have pointed out with evidence that are coaching issues.

If Hurts is a problem, you need to also direct criticism to the coaches who aren't doing anything about it.

We've seen Hurts make great throws, have great games, take snaps under center, throw to the middle and all the things people say he refuses to do. Experts and analysts say the OC is the problem.

It's coaching. Everything comes down to the Head Coach holding his staff and players accountable and making the necessary changes.

Bad hitters can hit 450' home runs every now and then. It doesn't mean they have to stay in the middle of the lineup, or in the lineup at all. The fact that Hurts has made great throws and had great games isnt proof that the OC is the problem and he isn't.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Cook, Cooks, HE, Forum poster #37

Saquon, AJ, Smitty, Goedert

Tough call 🤔

More points than we've scored in the majority of our games, too.

I get it.

Does Hurts get credit for his best games?

No, people still downplay it. Some people just hate Hurts no matter what.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Cook, Cooks, HE, Forum poster #37

Saquon, AJ, Smitty, Goedert

Tough call 🤔

More points than we've scored in the majority of our games, too.

I know that after that epic AFCCG between the Bills and Chiefs years ago when all of the Josh Allen mania starter, I stick to my guns saying he is overrated based on that game. He had always been a streaky player, who makes a bunch of real low IQ boneheaded plays, especially in clutch time. He had that 1 great game in prime time and suddenly everyone thought he was a special unicorn.

I debated. I showed stats. And was basically just laughed at for being right as usual.

In the next few drafts, I complained about the stupid QB evaluations because teams just wanted a big arm over anything else, despite lacking any and all other QB skills and boosted guys stock many rounds higher than it should have been, due to the Josh Allen hysteria from that game.

So, NOTW will once again rewrite history and imply that I would never say a bad thing about Josh Allen. Just like his theories on Hurts being a good QB, he couldn't be further from the truth.

Isn't everyone tired of the yearly cycle of getting a top OC to save Sirianni's ass? I mean seriously.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think Jalen hurts is getting trade this offseason. Unless he goes to Jeffrey Lurie and says I don’t wanna work with sirianni and I want out of here unless Nick is gone. Even then i think lurie probably sides with hurts as I tend to believe that Nick Sirianni was closer to being fired at the end of 2023 then we know. I’m very curious to hear what comes out at the end of the nick Sirianni era. Cause I am guessing there’s gonna be some gossip. Because they’re always is with the Eagles.

That said, on no trade clause I think it’s easier to get around than the money issue. I say that because if the organization went to him and said, we think it’s best if you go elsewhere and they can try to maximize your talent. And it’s better for us to move in another direction. He can say no I don’t wanna be traded. However, the Eagles can also just sit him on the bench and use his ultimate replacement. Not saying is happening or would go down like that. I think hurts would rather play than go down that road nor want to stay somewhere where he does not feel wanted. That said I also don’t think you could just send him to Cleveland and he’d be accepting of it. I think that’s where the NTC comes in. You’d have to work with him in finding that new organization.

All that said, he’s not getting trade this off-season. We all know what’s gonna happen. Lurie and roseman are going to force sirianni to get a new OC. If he doesn’t want to do it then I think he goes the way of Doug. If he does accept that, then they’re gonna go and pick the next OC for him. If we get to the end of 2026 and this offense is still dysfunctional then I think Nick Sirianni is gone. Imo i believe that’s when the eagles begin setting themselves up for potentially moving on from hurts (similarly what they kind of did in 2021 when they went with Hurts but also set themselves up to maneuver in different directions if he didn’t work out)

The die is cast and the course is set. 2026 will be Hurts with a new OC. An OC that will have minimal accountability to Siri. If things don't look a lot different (and my obvious prediction is that they won't), then Howie/Lurie will be all out on Hurts at that point.

This whole thing kind of renders Siri as a lame duck.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Bad hitters can hit 450' home runs every now and then. It doesn't mean they have to stay in the middle of the lineup, or in the lineup at all. The fact that Hurts has made great throws and had great games isnt proof that the OC is the problem and he isn't.

Ok...and the rest of my post? What about the responsibility of the head coach?

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Isn't everyone tired of the yearly cycle of getting a top OC to save Sirianni's ass? I mean seriously.

Yes. Thats why Hurts needs to be gone. So we can stop scapegoating OCs and blaming Siri for "Siri's offense".

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The die is cast and the course is set. 2026 will be Hurts with a new OC. An OC that will have minimal accountability to Siri. If things don't look a lot different (and my obvious prediction is that they won't), then Howie/Lurie will be all out on Hurts at that point.

This whole thing kind of renders Siri as a lame duck.

nah. By then AJ Brown will be gone. Hurts will be lacking his elite weapon, and in yet another year with a new OC. He will need time to settle in to the new offense. The Hurtscuses never, ever, ever end.

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If Allen were the Eagles QB many of you would criticize these numbers, note that they won because of rushing (team 249 yards, Cook 144 yards) and defense and that the Steelers had to bring in their backup QB.

I like Allen and would be happy if he were the Eagles QB. Just pointing out that his number aren't always great either and if he were here, these same miserable people that hate our QBs would be harsh on him too.

Tbh I’m not those that would’ve criticized Allen in this game. Because I said before his wide receivers stink, but he was also without his starting left tackle, starting right tackle, starting tight end. (Those guys are also good. Not just serviceable)

Tbh if the eagles were without mailata, lane, goedert and we were running out Dotson and cooper at WR, I’d be thrilled we won a game. Essentially be the eagles winning a game with Fred Johnson at LT. Pryor at RT. And Calcaterra starting at TE.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Ok...and the rest of my post? What about the responsibility of the head coach?

I don't really disagree with the rest. Only that a lot of it is unknowable.

Does Siri have Hurts in a straightjacket because it would be really bad if he took the training wheels off? Does Siri have Hurts in a straightjacket because he (Siri) is the problem and so incredibly risk averse and untrusting?

Are the coaches wringing their hands because Hurts isn't running the offense the way they want and is refusing to do some of these things? If it's this, then I'm not sure I agree with your leader of men rationale to blame the coaches. $1/4 billion franchise QBs are going to run things with their signature. Tricky for a coach to override that.

It's probably a little bit of all 3, but we can't really know it until we see either Hurts with a new OC or these guys with a new QB. And we will never see these guys with a new QB unless Hurts gets injured. So 2026 will be the reveal.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Isn't everyone tired of the yearly cycle of getting a top OC to save Sirianni's ass? I mean seriously.

That's been an excuse for Hurts. Although a real issue it's still an excuse

I'm tired of the revolving door at OC just like I was at WR coach. Funny enough if we didn't have Smith and Brown then I think he'd get fired again too but he lucked out with getting Smith and Brown to work with

Doubt he misses the game though

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Doubt he misses the game though

It’s his non-throwing hand so i guess he is going to play. But better believe defenses are going to hit that hand any chance they get.

It could be worse 🤣

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

nah. By then AJ Brown will be gone. Hurts will be lacking his elite weapon, and in yet another year with a new OC. He will need time to settle in to the new offense. The Hurtscuses never, ever, ever end.

Bingo. "He's never had the same OC back to back. Fire [insert OC]!"

Herbert had a fracture in his left hand apparently. Status not sure for Eagles game. Could be a lucky break.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't really disagree with the rest. Only that a lot of it is unknowable.

Does Siri have Hurts in a straightjacket because it would be really bad if he took the training wheels off? Does Siri have Hurts in a straightjacket because he (Siri) is the problem and so incredibly risk averse and untrusting?

Are the coaches wringing their hands because Hurts isn't running the offense the way they want and is refusing to do some of these things? If it's this, then I'm not sure I agree with your leader of men rationale to blame the coaches. $1/4 billion franchise QBs are going to run things with their signature. Tricky for a coach to override that.

It's probably a little bit of all 3, but we can't really know it until we see either Hurts with a new OC or these guys with a new QB. And we will never see these guys with a new QB unless Hurts gets injured. So 2026 will be the reveal.

I always go back to the very beginning of when Nick got here. The first couple of weeks as head coach, he was very pass happy. That Monday night game against Dallas, I believe they had like 3 running attempts. Now I don’t think it was ever gonna be that overboard.

But I asked myself the question to start the 2021 season was nick’s true vision to be a pass heavy/pass oriented team or was that more of Howie/lurie going to him saying we need to figure out if hurts is good enough as a passer to move forward with him. as they had assets this offseason to get that guy if it was not hurts. We really don’t have that answer. We have the fact that he gave up play calling and over the years more conservative

If they go into the chargers game with Patullo calling plays just write off the rest of the season

This offense has scored over 21 points just FIVE TIMES this season. That is so beyond unacceptable I can't even fathom how lurie has allowed this clown show to go this far.

Other teams who have scored 21+ in 5 or fewer games this season:

Jets (also 5)

Texans (also 5)

Raiders (3)

Browns (2)

Titans (2)

Saints (2)

We are on par with the bottom dwellers of the league, you'll notice there are some basement teams who have MORE games of 21+ scoring (giants have 6). Fing embarassing

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s his non-throwing hand so i guess he is going to play. But better believe defenses are going to hit that hand any chance they get.

Didn't Rodgers have something similar to his non throwing hand? Believe he missed a game.

20 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If reports about Hurts are true (doesn't like QB designed runs, doesn't want to throw over the middle) then what does that say about the coaches?

If you're a Head Coach that is supposed to be a leader of men and your QB tells you he doesn't want to do things - things that analytics prove are successful - then you bench him.

Now, we've heard Hurts (and other players) complain about the OC multiple times over different seasons so that's different OCs. Take the straight jacket off, don't play to not lose. The WRs in the past said they need to be let loose to do what they do, this year AJ said let your killers do their thing (paraphrase). Multiple years the O linemen have criticized the offensive philosophy and lack of run game publicly across different OCs.

Hurts isn't the reason they're not giving Tank any carries, or keeping Cooper as a returner, or the many other things people have pointed out with evidence that are coaching issues.

If Hurts is a problem, you need to also direct criticism to the coaches who aren't doing anything about it.

We've seen Hurts make great throws, have great games, take snaps under center, throw to the middle and all the things people say he refuses to do. Experts and analysts say the OC is the problem.

It's coaching. Everything comes down to the Head Coach holding his staff and players accountable and making the necessary changes.

I’m not going to defend coaching. They have a large piece of the pie. Unfortunately it’s not just coaching. Coaches can turn blue in the face with all these pre-snap penalties but it’s also players at some point to take the coaching. Patullo gets dog piled and rightfully so but when he calls a play with Smith lined up against a backup LB, the ball is woefully short. They get AJ Brown one on one and he stops running. They draw up Smith for an easy completion while also having Goedert wide open up the seam as well as a third option in Brown who likely was never a real option in the play but still open enough if it turns into a scramble drill, but the throw is too far behind.

It feels like a combination of everyone just sucking. Maybe everyone is just tired or fat and happy with winning so much. Hungry dogs run and faster and no one particularly seems hungry.

Allen will have surgery for a hand and people think he can potentially play next week?

He wont even have stitches out yet. There will be high risk of infection. Dont know the type of break, but there could be external pins which would still be sticking out of his hand.

Even in the very best case scenario, which I dont think is based in reality at all, the hand will need to be very heavily wrapped up to cover the incisions, if not, in a cast. He wont be able to take snaps under center, and will have a real hard time even catching a shotgun snap. Handing the ball off will be an adventure.

Id say 100% hes not playing.