3 hours ago, Vlad67 said:

Well that is a BS...there is lot of teams with if not great then at least good running game with statue in the pocket...it's not fair towards Hurts...He has his flaws but noone can use this against him...

That’s true, but a lot of posters in here heaped credit on Hurts and his ability to open up the running game for the RBs. Went so far as to say Hurts was the primary reason for the team’s running success and it would suffer with a different QB.

I would argue there doesn’t need to be any designed runs in the playbook for Hurts to take off running; he did an abundance of that in his first 2-3 seasons. I’m more inclined to agree with McLane’s speculation that it’s something he doesn’t wish to do as much. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that by definition — it just needs to be recognized by the coaching staff and, as you said, development of a suitable running attack with that factor in mind.

The Eagles still have everything in front of them. Every season has it's ups and downs but it's how your finish. With or without Herbert the Chargers game and every game in these last 5 will be a battle. Washington nor Raiders will just lay down. Bills will be fighting for their playoff lives.

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And I get that and completely respect that. They can get it together and they have the talent. But do I think they are going to? Personally no I don’t. They look like a tired beaten up team and I just think this is going to spiral like 2023.

Well, at this point? Maybe not, but I think the fact that there’s no real dominant team this year helps their chances.

Just now, DaBirds said:

Well, at this point? Maybe not, but I think the fact that there’s no real dominant team this year helps their chances.

It does if they can even become competent I agree. I’m just not sure they can even to that. Like in 2023 they have winnable games but I’m not sure they have what it takes to win them.

13 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane said one player source told him the Eagles run way too much shotgun.

And another player source told him the entire offense had a thousand yard stare on the sidelines in that game and they knew the offense had no chance in that game.

We definitely run shotgun way too much. Though that's probably just what Hurts is most comfortable with

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Does this mean you don't think Olive Garden is overrated?

Hear ye, hear ye y'all. @eagle45 likes Olive Garden better than Vetri Cucina. Let's all point and laugh.

I'm just messin'... everybody thinks that... deep down.

Olive Garden is gross. Don't know how any self respecting Southeastern PA bred person would ever go there let alone consider it to be Italian food.

This is essentially gross incompetence by a coaching staff

13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It does if they can even become competent I agree. I’m just not sure they can even to that. Like in 2023 they have winnable games but I’m not sure they have what it takes to win them.

Fair. I still think this defense has a chance to prevent a 2023. The offense wasn’t great that year obviously but the defense was also horrendous.

Hopefully this mini bye gives the defense time to regroup. There’s danger the defense will collapse under the weight this year but I think it’s just as likely that the unit hasn’t reached its full potential yet.

Edit: I meant to say read option

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

This is essentially gross incompetence by a coaching staff

Yeah Goedert as a single pusher did pretty much nothing. OL got movement. What I see most from that is just hand the ball off to Latu. He blew people up.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

This is essentially gross incompetence by a coaching staff

I’d add if I’m running this I’m bringing out extra OLineman. I’m not using Calcaterra and granson who are both awful blockers

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup. Because he's not a fan of the team, he's a businessman. So, he's going to squeeze it for all its worth and then sell when he thinks he can get the best price. The new arena will be the golden ticket to get him out of town. He may not be the worst owner in franchise history... but he's very very close, IMO. As bad as Harold Katz was, and he was bad... he didn't turn the franchise into a laughingstock and punchline. That was Harris and "the Process".

Katz did turn it into a laughing stock- traded Moses Malone in division for nothing and in the same offseason traded the #1 overall pick to Cleveland for Roy Hinson, alienated Charles Barkley, and made them draft Shawn Bradley in '93 as the great white hope. After the '82 championship that team was systematically torn apart by Katz.

4 hours ago, Vlad67 said:

Well that is a BS...there is lot of teams with if not great then at least good running game with statue in the pocket...it's not fair towards Hurts...He has his flaws but noone can use this against him...

Nonsense

As we can clearly see this season he is a mediocre player without that threat. He is paid to

Do everything he can to win games, no?

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d add if I’m running this I’m bringing out extra OLineman. I’m not using Calcaterra and granson who are both awful blockers

The eternal Hurts debate aside, it's obvious to the entire planet that our offensive coaching staff is subpar (kindesat word I could think of)

45 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That’s true, but a lot of posters in here heaped credit on Hurts and his ability to open up the running game for the RBs. Went so far as to say Hurts was the primary reason for the team’s running success and it would suffer with a different QB.

Hurts was doing that at the time though. The team was running more RPOs which was keeping the LBs on their heels for an extra millisecond. It was when the media said "How do you defense this offense? You just can’t”

The team went away from that though. Cause, you know, it worked and stuff.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

As we can clearly see this season he is a mediocre player without that threat. He is paid to

Do everything he can to win games, no?

This season might prove his point though. Hurts doesn’t run anymore and they don’t use his running ability as a threat. He’s not here to be Peyton Manning he’s here to be a dual threat.

It’s like saying "Oh yeah? Let’s see this Burrow guy be successful without that arm of his!”

15 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Fair. I still think this defense has a chance to prevent a 2023. The offense wasn’t great that year obviously but the defense was also horrendous.

Hopefully this mini bye gives the defense time to regroup. There’s danger the defense will collapse under the weight this year but I think it’s just as likely that the unit hasn’t reached its full potential yet.

Yeah I mean that is the hope right? Though this offense is so incompetent they put the defense in a position where eventually they break (the last 2 games anyway).

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The eternal Hurts debate aside, it's obvious to the entire planet that our offensive coaching staff is subpar (kindesat word I could think of)

Yup. The hurts stuff I’m not gonna go into. he has his own flaws and his own issues that need to be talked about and figured out. But it is obvious to me that this playbook relies far too much on our talent is better than your talent and that’s how we’re gonna beat you. At some point in time we’re gonna overwhelm you due to our personnel.

This coaching staff has their on list of issues too and doesn’t maximize and misuses their personnel. They do things like Calcaterra is gonna block on 10 of the 12 plays he is out there for. AJ Brown’s gonna go an entire half with seeing one target. plays the last two weeks you can predict whether or not it’s going to be a run or it’s gonna be a pass. It’s telegraphed (Shannon and Ocho basically have discussed this in depth the past couple weeks). you can predict when AJ Brown’s routes based on why side of the field he’s on. These are coaching things. This isn’t hurts with those problems. You can have two problems at one time. Your car engine can be a problem at the same time your transmission is a problem.

33 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah Goedert as a single pusher did pretty much nothing. OL got movement. What I see most from that is just hand the ball off to Latu. He blew people up.

They should move away from it entirely as a play. Like everthing else about this offense, it is predictable and not being executed well at this point.

25 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nonsense

As we can clearly see this season he is a mediocre player without that threat. He is paid to

Do everything he can to win games, no?

I look at it this way, he is never going to be Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady in the pocket. What made Jalen hurts the dynamic Qb he was is being a dual threat. If this is going to be minimized and continue to be more minimized over the years then the internal discussions of is he good enough with this version of himself to win a SB and is it time to go in another direction.

I respect hurts for saying I don’t wanna run as much because I’m getting hurt/injured and missing time every year. I can understand that. But this would be essentially like asking Josh Allen to minimize his legs. As great as Josh Allen is, if you minimize and begin removing that from his game then you are changing who he is. As great as Allen is, if you take that away from him i don’t think he’d be as success as he is now. Would he still be successful? Highly likely but i don’t think id say he’d accomplish what he has. That is part of his total package.

KP still has a job today??

Has a team been this stacked on paper and the coaches just suck?

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I look at it this way, he is never going to be Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady in the pocket. What made Jalen hurts the dynamic Qb he was is being a dual threat. If this is going to be minimized and continue to be more minimized over the years then the internal discussions of is he good enough with this version of himself to win a SB and is it time to go in another direction.

I respect hurts for saying I don’t wanna run as much because I’m getting hurt/injured and missing time every year. I can understand that. But this would be essentially like asking Josh Allen to minimize his legs. As great as Josh Allen is, if you minimize and begin removing that from his game then you are changing who he is. As great as Allen is, if you take that away from him i don’t think he’d be as success as he is now. Would he still be successful? Highly likely but i don’t think id say he’d accomplish what he has. That is part of his total package.

Well it sounds like the only person taking away hurts running, is hurts. Which honestly is infuriating to me because that's pretty much the only reason he got a mega contract. This far into his career he isnt turning into a $250 mil pocket passer

1 minute ago, devpool said:

Well it sounds like the only person taking away hurts running, is hurts. Which honestly is infuriating to me because that's pretty much the only reason he got a mega contract. This far into his career he isnt turning into a $250 mil pocket passer

Again, it’s why I said I respect hurts for saying he doesn’t want to run as much to be more durable and be able to play every week. The issue is you’re being paid the money you are to be a dual threat. Like I pointed out if you’re gonna take that away from Josh Allen, then Josh Allen’s not gonna be the same player either. Now he has more of an ability to take that away and still play at a better level. But the fact of the matter is you can’t just say I don’t wanna do that anymore and not expect a drop off in performance or the offense. Thats what made Jalen hurts who he is

The called draws are fine, and he's done a good job avoiding hits on those.

It's reasonable for him to ask for no read options. Good defenses will purposely hit the QB on those plays every single time. If we cant run the ball without the read option, that's an OL or scheme problem and not a Hurts problem.

They could also help Hurts by moving the pocket or rolling him out and telling him to just run and slide if nothing is there. Of course that would require some strategic coaching so it's a waste of time even thinking about it