55 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

He has earned that right

I'm going to disagree. Nobody in the NFL has earned anything past Mahomes. The defense won that SB in February even though Hurts played well. He isn't an elite QB he's a few steps above Trent Dilfer where in the right situations he can make a few throws but he isn't a passing QB. With a bad OL and OC we need a real QB and McKee is that guy not Hurts. Do I want him to get hurt? No, but if it happens or he is benched I think the team will be a lot better because of it. He thinks quickly and makes fast accurate throws. That isn't Hurts.

So no he hasn't earned the right to stay their QB. Everyone in sports needs to keep earning the right.

Nick taking Doug’s route and going down with the ship will be interesting considering he was reported to have a new contract recently. Thankfully it doesn’t impact the cap lol

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If he wants to sacrifice this season, go for it dude. It's ultimately going to cost him his job. I hope he realizes that.

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

He's a stubborn moron. I'm a little bit surprised Lurie and Howie haven't stepped in and demanded a change. They have to see what everyone else does.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Nick taking Doug’s route and going down with the ship will be interesting considering he was reported to have a new contract recently. Thankfully it doesn’t impact the cap lol

Tbh the new contract i could see him saying im going to do it my way. Cause if they fire him he’s getting paid either way.

9 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

He's a stubborn moron. I'm a little bit surprised Lurie and Howie haven't stepped in and demanded a change. They have to see what everyone else does.

People keep killing Nick, but also acknowledge the owner and GM aren't forcing his hand as of now. One could possibly figure out it goes beyond "Patullo sucks", but for some reason are unable to grasp this concept

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh the new contract i could see him saying im going to do it my way. Cause if they fire him he’s getting paid either way.

We’re going to be one of those teams paying a coach who isn’t on the team lol

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I was just going by the Over the Cap site, and said after 2026 not this season, following on the other poster saying after 2026 there's no more guaranteed money.

I don't understand the cap the way you do and know that you know what you're talking about. I was just going on changing the filters on that site from cut pre-June 1st ($84m) to trade pre-June 1st ($32m). That site doesn't include the additional details that you provided, which makes it tough for us regular folks to figure out the cap stuff.

OTC really sucks when it comes to rolling guarantees -- Spotrac is better. The number you highlighted is if he is traded BEFORE the 2026 season, but it is still wrong. From signing through the end of 2025, the Eagles will have paid Jalen $106.3mm and only taken cap charges of $41.5mm, leading to a dead money charge of ~$65mm. I honestly have no clue what OTC is doing, but you shouldn't trust them. I model it myself in Excel.

From Spotrac:

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm going to disagree. Nobody in the NFL has earned anything past Mahomes. The defense won that SB in February even though Hurts played well. He isn't an elite QB he's a few steps above Trent Dilfer where in the right situations he can make a few throws but he isn't a passing QB. With a bad OL and OC we need a real QB and McKee is that guy not Hurts. Do I want him to get hurt? No, but if it happens or he is benched I think the team will be a lot better because of it. He thinks quickly and makes fast accurate throws. That isn't Hurts.

So no he hasn't earned the right to stay their QB. Everyone in sports needs to keep earning the right.

I'll bite. You assume that a guy is basically a rookie is going to play well behind a "bad offensive line and OC." I dont think that the offense will get solved in this scenario with McKee. I'm sure he will flash and make some plays, but he certainly would have his growing pains early on. No running game still would exist and that always helps a 1st year QB. I like McKee, but to assume he solves everything is probably naive.

Hurts played amazing in 2 Superbowls and he deserves full credit for that. One with a bad defense and one with a good one. Mahomes won 2 Superbowls with 2 Chamionship defenses and he got all the accolades. But Hurts wins and it's the rest of the team carried him. He's earned some leeway here for me. And not to mention he has a different offensive coordinator every year. Maybe why there's all this constant turmoil with getting this thing smoothed out.

I've said for years, don't get bent out of shape about what they say in the media. Pay attention to their actions. It's basic corporate public relations, you shouldn't say anything to give away strategy, admit mistakes, create liability, or anything that.

Doug once said no changes were coming to the coaching staff, then what, 2 days later? They fired the offensive coaches. They stood by Desai until they swapped Desai and Patricia's roles and framed it as Desai getting a different perspective and Matt helping out or however they said that. Really it was a demotion. I don't know if they do that with Patullo, but there are a couple more recent examples of that type of thing.

It doesn't have to be disrespectful to his staff either, just like benching a player or trying out new plays you're trying to fix things. Maybe move KP to the booth as Foles suggested. Maybe have Nick more involved in calling plays, or some assistant helping with logistics to get plays called in faster, something. But you can't just not make changes.

I've been blaming Nick Sirianni since like week 3. He's #1 on my list in terms of people to blame and Patullo isn't even in my top 3. But there's nothing else to change this season unless they bench Hurts which isn't happening.

The real change that needs to happen is for this offense to evolve, the combo of Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts needs to be broken up. Or it'll continue to look the way it does. It's just a matter of which one of those two you get rid of if this thing collapses. For me, it's clearly the head coach. If they fired Nick Sirianni after a collapse I'm highly highly confident that he will not go on to build some dynasty elsewhere and we won't be looking back at it in 10 years going "OH MY GOD, WE ROYALLY SCREWED UP!!!"

I'm also not sure that if the Eagles got rid of Jalen Hurts that he'd go elsewhere and dominate and we'd be lamenting that either. But I do think he's still good and good QBs are hard to find. I'm much more confident in them finding a head coach that's an upgrade than a QB that's an upgrade in the short term. And also I want to see Hurts with a different scheme and see how he does.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

People keep killing Nick, but also acknowledge the owner and GM aren't forcing his hand as of now. One could possibly figure out it goes beyond "Patullo sucks", but for some reason are unable to grasp this concept

Imo i actually think if lurie and howie are not getting involved might be allowing him to see if he can fix it himself after the collapse of 2023. May want to see if he learned his lesson from 2023 and he didn’t that might be when they say it’s time

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Guys, even is he is considering changing play callers, he wouldn't announce that. First, if he decides not to do it, all he has done is weaken Patullo even further. Second, if he is going to do it, you know it will be behind the scenes and will only come out when leaked (like it did with Patricia). I don't think he will make a change, but there's no way he'd confirm anything at the Monday press conference.

If the OC remains to call plays, Nick's future with the team is over, unless the offense suddenly turns up and wins out. He is playing the odd dangerously.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

OTC really sucks when it comes to rolling guarantees -- Spotrac is better. The number you highlighted is if he is traded BEFORE the 2026 season, but it is still wrong. From signing through the end of 2025, the Eagles will have paid Jalen $106.3mm and only taken cap charges of $41.5mm, leading to a dead money charge of ~$65mm. I honestly have no clue what OTC is doing, but you shouldn't trust them. I model it myself in Excel.

From Spotrac:

Thanks, I'll look into that site more. Or just ask you lol.

So OTC also had Wentz dead cap at the time of his trade as $33m. Was that also wrong? What was that number? Just wanted to compare the dead cap that Howie took on at that time. Thanks.

@NOTW

If this helps, it's a messy spreadsheet, but hopefully makes it clearer - just add up what's paid through 2025 ($106.3mm) less cap charges through 2025 (41.5mm), and you get the cap charge of ~65mm. If you cut him, you owe the extra $51mm for 2026 that is fully guaranteed. His 2027 comp partially guarantees on the 3rd day of the 2026 league year ($22mm). Those are the dates next to the amounts -- they day the gtee kicks in.

Just now, Swoop said:

People keep killing Nick, but also acknowledge the owner and GM aren't forcing his hand as of now. One could possibly figure out it goes beyond "Patullo sucks", but for some reason are unable to grasp this concept

Not sure what you are talking about. This has been discussed over and over again. If someone is dying and has a few bad wounds you treat what you can first and go from there. You don't simply do nothing. Most people have made it clear that there are several issues right now. Patullo may or may not be the biggest but it appears that way and he is certainly the easiest fix that can be made. This isn't something new over the last few weeks. The offense has struggled all season and it's getting worse instead of better and there is no defense for doing nothing and just hoping it magically gets better.

Also I'm not sure what your main point is but the most obvious thing that I have seen mentioned but not enough is that Sirianni is a major problem. The two seasons he was coach where he had the least amount of influence on the offense the team went to the SB. The two seasons that he promoted from within the staff and was the guy running the offense and coming up with the offensive schemes the offense has looked horrible. Sirianni would probably be a decent offensive coach at the HS level and maybe even at the D3 level of college but not in the NFL. I thought it was pretty clear after 2023 that the only way he was sticking around was as a true CEO coach and then after winning the SB he leveraged that to hire his buddy/clone who is doing nothing more than being bad at calling plays from Sirianni's offense which has never been successful since he has been the coach here.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Thanks, I'll look into that site more. Or just ask you lol.

So OTC also had Wentz dead cap at the time of his trade as $33m. Was that also wrong? What was that number? Just wanted to compare the dead cap that Howie took on at that time. Thanks.

$33mm was the correct number, IIRC. OTC breaks when money guarantees after contract signing for some reason.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I've been blaming Nick Sirianni since like week 3. He's #1 on my list in terms of people to blame and Patullo isn't even in my top 3. But there's nothing else to change this season unless they bench Hurts which isn't happening.

The real change that needs to happen is for this offense to evolve, the combo of Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts needs to be broken up. Or it'll continue to look the way it does. It's just a matter of which one of those two you get rid of if this thing collapses. For me, it's clearly the head coach. If they fired Nick Sirianni after a collapse I'm highly highly confident that he will not go on to build some dynasty elsewhere and we won't be looking back at it in 10 years going "OH MY GOD, WE ROYALLY SCREWED UP!!!"

I'm also not sure that if the Eagles got rid of Jalen Hurts that he'd go elsewhere and dominate and we'd be lamenting that either. But I do think he's still good and good QBs are hard to find. I'm much more confident in them finding a head coach that's an upgrade than a QB that's an upgrade in the short term. And also I want to see Hurts with a different scheme and see how he does.

You are on fire lately. I agree with everything you said.

Since Nick is obviously concerned with not hurting his buddy's feelings, he could just have his mic sent into the ether and have someone else actually call the plays Doubt Patullo would even realize that the plays they're running aren't the ones he's calling.

Kinda like this meme

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

@NOTW

If this helps, it's a messy spreadsheet, but hopefully makes it clearer - just add up what's paid through 2025 ($106.3mm) less cap charges through 2025 (41.5mm), and you get the cap charge of ~65mm. If you cut him, you owe the extra $51mm for 2026 that is fully guaranteed. His 2027 comp partially guarantees on the 3rd day of the 2026 league year ($22mm). Those are the dates next to the amounts -- they day the gtee kicks in.

Thank you so much. That explanation made much more sense.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imo i actually think if lurie and howie are not getting involved might be allowing him to see if he can fix it himself after the collapse of 2023. May want to see if he learned his lesson from 2023 and he didn’t that might be when they say it’s time

He needs to go. I don't care if Nick just won a ring or not when two coordinators carried him and he is going to be responsible for blowing two years of their window because he is a moron promoting friends. He brings vibes, which is great, but that isn't enough.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Guys, even is he is considering changing play callers, he wouldn't announce that. First, if he decides not to do it, all he has done is weaken Patullo even further. Second, if he is going to do it, you know it will be behind the scenes and will only come out when leaked (like it did with Patricia). I don't think he will make a change, but there's no way he'd confirm anything at the Monday press conference.

And he isn't going to telegraph any other changes either. That's Nick and that's smart coach speak. Say nothing. But now they need to DO something. Don't care whether they say ish about it.

And yes, they need to evaluate everything on O. Literally. From penalties and execution to identity, scheme(s) and play design at the individual play design (micro) and how does it all fit together (macro). So, yeah, review it all, man and make some changes before the season is lost.

On D a bunch less to evaluate but a couple of big glaring things.

Specials I think Covey was the big change and coverage was decent. I think we are good there. Not thrilled with the miss but Jake has been improved over last year, right?

35 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well, he started out strong

I don't know about any of you guys, but that looks like his hat is covering a freshly shaved head.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

@NOTW

If this helps, it's a messy spreadsheet, but hopefully makes it clearer - just add up what's paid through 2025 ($106.3mm) less cap charges through 2025 (41.5mm), and you get the cap charge of ~65mm. If you cut him, you owe the extra $51mm for 2026 that is fully guaranteed. His 2027 comp partially guarantees on the 3rd day of the 2026 league year ($22mm). Those are the dates next to the amounts -- they day the gtee kicks in.

QB contracts are just crazy nowadays. Next meeting needs to do something about them. Already at 60M. They hinder teams way too much. Can't image what they'll be when the next CBA happens

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Not sure what you are talking about.

Clearly. See below

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imo i actually think if lurie and howie are not getting involved might be allowing him to see if he can fix it himself after the collapse of 2023. May want to see if he learned his lesson from 2023 and he didn’t that might be when they say it’s time

I guess this is possible, but I'm going to heavily disagree. We lost the one seed. We're currently in jeopardy to potentially lose the division. The players are obviously frustrated.

Letting Nick try to "figure it out" and be willing to tank the season in order to do is a sign of a much, much bigger issue with this franchise.

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You are on fire lately. I agree with everything you said.

Why don’t you two get a room. @Godfather will chaperone