2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Actually, I looked at the Elliott miss as a Hurts/Elliott miss in the same way lots of folks debate the AJ Brown/Hurts INT.

The Eagles got a HUGE break on the Adoree Jackson INT and another break with the personal foul penalty, setting them up at the Chargers 30-yard line with 10 seconds to play in the half. Hurts just glancing downfield and throwing the ball into the stands with 5 seconds left really pissed me off, especially when Elliott subsequently missed the 48-yard FG.

Should Elliott have made the FG? Of course, but Hurts and the offense didn't do him any favors by running a terrible play before he got sent out there.

Should have tried a draw to steal another 5 yards or so to make the FG easier. Would have been easy since Chargers were protecting the end zone.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

It's an inflatable bunny in the locker room to improve the vibes bad. Chiefs never were so out of answers they turned to that kind of stupidity. It's spiraling downward at this moment so yeah the season is over. People can hope and pray and wish up the Super Bowl star but Nick, KP, and Hurts are that damn bad together. It's going to take one or two of them being removed to possibly spark things.

The frustration is REAL!! I still say they have too much talent to look this bad and that we will see progress. May be gradual and not overnite. But hopefully get there. Defense is looking stout, so there's hope there. Solidified backend with Epps and Adoree is playing funademantally sound and reading the play well back there as of late. Tackling has improved. Not getting beat big is the key.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Actually, I looked at the Elliott miss as a Hurts/Elliott miss in the same way lots of folks debate the AJ Brown/Hurts INT.

The Eagles got a HUGE break on the Adoree Jackson INT and another break with the personal foul penalty, setting them up at the Chargers 30-yard line with 10 seconds to play in the half. Hurts just glancing downfield and throwing the ball into the stands with 5 seconds left really pissed me off, especially when Elliott subsequently missed the 48-yard FG.

Should Elliott have made the FG? Of course, but Hurts and the offense didn't do him any favors by running a terrible play before he got sent out there.

Tbh i thought they should’ve just ran it to try and see if you could gain 2-5 more yards and make it easier. Had the timeouts to do it. Can say just kick the FG but 10 seconds left. If you miss, the half likely has 3 seconds. Near the 40 and Herbert using the arm strength he does this at least have a shot at the end zone. With the eagles being the eagles potentially doing something dumb like PI and getting them into FG range.

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Should have tried a draw to steal another 5 yards or so to make the FG easier. Would have been easy since Chargers were protecting the end zone.

This is why even with the issues hurts has, the coaching staff has bigger issues. They continue to just call games without any feel and a lot of the times nothing builds on each other. It’s like randomness hoping that it’ll work out. Like not running there or after the big goedert play to get them in the red zone, I’d have run on 1st. Either going to 2 min warning or burning chargers timeouts.

Off with their heads.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

The frustration is real. I still say they have too much talent to look this bad and that we will see progress. May be gradual and not overnite. But hopefully get there. Defense is looking stout so there's hope there. Solidified backend with Epps and Adoree is playing funademantally sound and reading the play well back there as of late.

Agree, which is why it's so frustrating. I've said this earlier today, but Vic took crap and turned it into something while Hurts, Nick, and KP are wasting talent. Yeah, the OL is banged up, but they keep putting out injured players, so some of that is on them. Heck, the Chiefs made the SB with a bad OL last year. Things can be done, but they are being stupid/stubborn there as well. Tank has a good run and we don't see him again. Running to the outside is working? Run up the middle the rest of the game. Under center gets the offense moving? Back to shotgun.

People (not you) make excuses about the OL so poor poor Hurts and the offense can't play well. BS. The three of them still have two good WRs (even if Brown had drops last night), a good TE, great RB, good RB2, and a decent WR3 and they can't do crap. They still aren't getting the damn calls in fast enough to let them adjust. So many damn things are going wrong on a very basic level that would take the offense to average, which is all they freaking need. Instead the three of them are taking us all down with them. What makes things even worse is the league is wide open this year. It's a f'ing waste that doesn't have to be.

58 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Was that the play where the rules guy said it was basically a weak flag and Troy and Buck kept harping on it or am I thinking of another penalty?

The holding call on Mailata that negated the AJ TD?

5 minutes ago, just relax said:

Off with their heads.

They probably wouldn’t execute that right either…

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Agree, which is why it's so frustrating. I've said this earlier today, but Vic took crap and turned it into something while Hurts, Nick, and KP are wasting talent. Yeah, the OL is banged up, but they keep putting out injured players, so some of that is on them. Heck, the Chiefs made the SB with a bad OL last year. Things can be done, but they are being stupid/stubborn there as well. Tank has a good run and we don't see him again. Running to the outside is working? Run up the middle the rest of the game. Under center gets the offense moving? Back to shotgun.

People (not you) make excuses about the OL so poor poor Hurts and the offense can't play well. BS. The three of them still have two good WRs (even if Brown had drops last night), a good TE, great RB, good RB2, and a decent WR3 and they can't do crap. They still aren't getting the damn calls in fast enough to let them adjust. So many damn things are going wrong on a very basic level that would take the offense to average, which is all they freaking need. Instead the three of them are taking us all down with them. What makes things even worse is the league is wide open this year. It's a f'ing waste that doesn't have to be.

For sure. Rather have these problems, that should be fixable, right now than in 4 weeks. They made small steps of progression yesterday. They are too caught up in this identity crisis or whatever. Just take what's there. There are missed opportunites all over the place. The concern from yesterday is the turnovers. Think it's a one off on that front. Chargers do have a great pass defense and were always in the right spot. That last pick was crazy. No excuses. But really they beat themselves. So will see if they can stop shooting themselves in the foot and execute the plays given. And tweak this offense as we approach the playoffs. Need to use the entire repertoire as time is awasting.

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Make no mistake that played into the calculus of not firing Patullo. He’s the offseasons sacrificial lamb. If you fire him mid season, then it all falls on Siri.

I don't think Lurie is the type to not do what needs to be done and try to sell BS to the fans. Lurie wants to win. And if he believes firing Sirianni is the best move, he'll do it. He may not feel that way, but if he does he'll do it.

There is no chance in hell Lurie can believe himself or expect the fans to believe that blaming an offensive coordinator was the cure for all their ails when the passing game has sucked since after 2022 and the offense as a whole has sucked since after 2022 except the running game last season(the offense last season wasn't good, but the running game was amazing, so it made the offense look way better than it was).

Just now, NCiggles said:

The holding call on Mailata that negated the AJ TD?

Tbh that was a weak call. But in my mind the Mitchell PI is weak if on 3rd and 4 in OT when chargers sent the house and the defender is basically grabbing brown’s hand and arm the entire way down the field and not calling that.

felt like with a 1 on 1 with brown that the play should’ve been a throw down the sideline and hopefully brown doesn’t F it up.

lol. Their misusage of personnel and understanding strengths/weaknesses of their personnel is mind blowing in week 14

7 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

For sure. Rather have these problems, that should be fixable, right now than in 4 weeks. They made small steps of progression yesterday. They are too caught up in this identity crisis or whatever. Just take what's there. There are missed opportunites all over the place. The concern from yesterday is the turnovers. Think it's a one off on that front. Chargers do have a great pass defense and were always in the right spot. That last pick was crazy. No excuses. But really they beat themselves. So will see if they can stop shooting themselves in the foot and execute the plays given. And tweak this offense as we approach the playoffs. Need to use the entire repertoire as time is awasting.

I'm not trying to be negative but I just don't see it happening. Those three are too broken. If you fire KP maybe at least the calls come in quicker. If you bench Hurts maybe McKee sees the field better and makes faster decisions. Keeping them all together only leads to heartache for us. You see it spiraling downward leading to pressing and throwing that many INTs. They know it and feel it as well or they wouldn't be using an inflatable bunny.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh that was a weak call. But in my mind the Mitchell PI is weak if on 3rd and 4 in OT when chargers sent the house and the defender is basically grabbing brown’s hand and arm the entire way down the field and not calling that.

Yeah, that was pretty egregious but I think, once he didnt catch it, Brown has to sell the PI a little better like the arm flailing or motion for a flag that we see from other WRs. That should have been game either way

Just now, Cliftoma said:

Yeah, that was pretty egregious but I think, once he didnt catch it, Brown has to sell the PI a little better like the arm flailing or motion for a flag that we see from other WRs. That should have been game either way

The one he dropped i think defender actually did a good job last second to pull his arms down. Still should’ve caught it but we’d have been praising Mitchell or coop if they did that. The 3rd and 4 was play just before the offsides/encroachment to continue the drive. Watching that on replay on nfl network, it’s pretty egregious and it’s a touchdown if the defender doesn’t do it and aj makes the catch. Imo that was more of a catchable ball than QJ’s

Truth

Just a thought on those long AJ drops. Why are we relying on those as our get out of jail free card? They aren't high percentage throws, so while its great when they convert, its waaay too boom and bust n an O that can't move the ball consistently.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least someone else paid for the tickets and the car service -- all I paid for was 2 beers and a bottle of water. What a completely horrible experience and soul crushing loss -- make no doubt about it, this team is irreparably damaged and the season is over. Here are my thoughts - I haven't watched the replay and certainly don't plan on it (seeing it live in person was torture enough). Oddly enough, we SHOULD have scored 30 points last night...

Coaching

• Maybe is is controversial, but there were some parts of the play design and offense that seemed improved. We managed to outgain the Chargers by 90 yards. They moved the pocket at times. The fake brotherly shove was a great call. But there were 3 in game decisions that were just awful, and they fall on Nick:

  • First and goal at the 2, and we don't just run the brotherly shove 4 damn times??? I know it's been less successful this year, but come on. Yeah, the holding call on Mailata was weak, but it's insanity we didn't score a TD there. Just brutal -- left 4 points on the field.

  • End of the half -- OK, you want to make sure the FG ends the half, but still - maybe hand it to Barkley and hope he finds a seam. Just airmailing it out of bounds was dumb. Jake misses and we cost ourselves 3 points (maybe getting closer helps).

  • Last drive of regulation. AJ drops the TD on one of Jalen's few good throws. So on 3rd and long we...run a screen to Smitty that he doesn't catch, and the incompletion stops the clock. If you're playing for the FG (and they really couldn't have thought the screen pass would convert on 3rd and 11), run the ball and make LA use their last timeout. Just stupid.

• I hated the decision to kick in OT -- the defense just was on the field for 11 plays. Let them rest.

Offense

• Jalen was terrible, there's no other way around it. He's been subpar since the bye, but he completely crashed out last night. Let's just go through the picks for fun:

  • On the 1st one, he thinks it is cover 0 and gets it wrong, throws it right to the LA player - meanwhile, Dotson is open for a TD on a post. Let's put aside setting NFL history with 2 turnovers on the same play, it was just an inexcusable mistake.

  • The second one, it was unclear in the stadium if Smitty was knocked down or slipped, but again -- why are you throwing that?

  • Number 3 -- yes, AJ got his hands on it and should have caught it. But that was a hospital ball and AJ was about to get rocked in his ribs if he came down with it. Blame on both parties. Oh...and it was 1st and 10 FFS.

  • Game ender -- yes, the safety made a nice play peeling off DG. But Jalen messed the play up from the start - the edge stayed home, so he should have given it to SB. Instead, he keeps, has pressure in his face and throws late off his back foot (pass looked like it would have been behind Dotson).

• Do I think Tanner might give them more? Yes. Is there really any point to it? I don't think so. I'm a contractual realist when it comes to Jalen -- he's unmovable (can't be cut given the cap hit, and can't be traded because of his NTC and who would give up assets for him). I'm not sure we have any better choice than playing him, but it's hard to watch. There were guys open last night, and he missed them (and his few good throws were dropped). Plus, it's not like this team is winning the Super Bowl anyway.

• Barkley had some juice early, broke the TD, and then...back to running into the middle with no hope.

• AJ...yeah, he's quit on this team. The first drop was bad - would have been a nice catch, but one he has to make. The INT - yes, he's going to get lit up, but you still gotta come down with it. But the drop in the end zone was brutal. You HAVE to bring that in.

• The line seemed a little better, but low bar. I don't think Lane coming back fixes everything, but might help a little.

Defense

• Yes, the Chargers O-Line is a mess, but the defensive line, without it's most talented player, was unreal last night. 7 sacks, forcing Herbert into a very poor passing night, OK against the RBs (28 carries for 103, so less than 4 YPC). The Herbert scrambles were annoying (Dean, learn to tackle), but you really can't put any blame on them. Jordan Davis and Byron Young (yes, Byron Young) played out of their minds. Hunt got the sacks, but Phillips was a monster too.

• Dean is a fantastic blitzer, but someone teach him to wrap up please. Baun and Campbell were solid.

• The secondary was fantastic against a good QB and quality weapons. Of course the pass rush helped, but the Chargers scored their only TD off a big play on the 1st drive followed by an egregious pick play. Holding them to 5 FGs from there, despite the offense turning it over 4 times (technically 5, but count Jalen's double as one TO) was heroic.

• They wouldn't show the PI on Q in the stadium, so I'm guessing it was total BS.

• I didn't notice Epps, which is likely a good thing.

• Coop might be a top 10 CB in the NFL.

All in all, the defense can't carry this offense any more than they did last night. And I fear the defense will be gassed for the last 4 games, and who can blame them. My silver lining from last night -- Davis and Hunt are coming into their own, and Q and Coop are the best 1-2 punch at CB in the NFL. But the offense, where we put all our money, is trash.

Im certainthat a lot of people are underestimating the impact simicompetent QB play could have when we already know our offense doesnt need to be spectacular, just OK to win considering how good our defense is.

Being a realist, I think the best thing that can happen now is we just roll with Hurts and miss the playoffs.

However, though it wont happen, Id be about 85% confident we win the super bowl if they play McKee. They can start that any week before its too late and Id be thrilled.

so, if history shows us anything, the eagles will be in the SB next season.

More truth

Love Jake but really for the money he’s making should easily be better. Hes cost us big at times and frankly the misses are usually deflating