Has Jake Elliott's fall coincided with Hughlett going down? Because he started off the season very strong. He needs to get better but I'm not ready to bail on him yet because he sucked last year but was money in the playoffs. Some teams have rotating kickers that are so bad, it can get worse.

But Dicker is really good, he's probably the second best kicker in the NFL. Eagles might have let that one get away, but no fault of their own, Elliott wasn't struggling at the time.

Goedert needs to walk. Would they be worse without him this year? Yep. But that offense needs draft picks, not cap $$$. The defenses needs cap $$$ and less draft picks.

Draft OL (preferably 2 with the first 2 picks) and then draft a TE. Accept the downgrade. But don’t spend one dime on the offense this offseason unless it’s Becton for a minimal deal.

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

so, if history shows us anything, the eagles will be in the SB next season.

The last time this happened they nailed two picks and rookies came in and played beyond what anyone could have expected along with ZB and MB. I could see MB coming back to help the OL and Howie making another move or two there. Goes without saying they need a real OC. The defense should mostly be back. Will Lane? What are they doing at TE? They should have a good year, but that doesn't erase the damn fact this is a wasted year that didn't have to be. Howie made some mistakes but they still have all they need in a wide open league. Idiots.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Truth

YYYEEESSSSSS!!!!!

I said last night Eagles actually outgained the Chargers and we’re moving the ball. That’s been a rarity for them this year. Their bigger issue last night was more of the fact they had as many turnovers as they did. Granted that’s been a theme in the last three weeks.

That said I do not trust the play calling. There’s still too many times where they’re still misusing personnel, which is why they have negative plays.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

The fact that they look good in spurts tells us it's there somewhere. But just very inconsistent. I'm still hopeful that they at least become a mediocre offense that can score at times in a game. Because the defense is playing really well. If they blowout the Raiders and start gaining confidence with a victory and a good performance, the light can go on. Guys are underachieving everywhere. Only 2 guys playing up to par here. Devante and Goedert. Down years for everyone else. I still respect that they are defending Superbowl Champs and have it in them somewhere.

You have a chef who can't cook running the kitchen and the manager is clueless because he can't cook either. They aren't winning crap with those two. I don't have an analogy for Hurts but he needs to be in the right situation with an OC holding his hand and he sure as hell won't get that. You can't turn things around until the two clueless people stop running things. How many months have they been trying? It's not suddenly going to click with a few weeks to go.

I keep saying it but they are so stupid they can't see that they need to get the calls in faster, run Tank more, get under center more. Stubborn and stupid are a bad mix. They fix a few things and then the QB looks like crap because he isn't a good passing QB.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You have a chef who can't cook running the kitchen and the manager is clueless because he can't cook either. They aren't winning crap with those two. I don't have an analogy for Hurts but he needs to be in the right situation with an OC holding his hand and he sure as hell won't get that. You can't turn things around until the two clueless people stop running things. How many months have they been trying? It's not suddenly going to click with a few weeks to go.

They are stubborn, but these losses hopefully affect change. That's the hope. They did try some new wrinkles yesterday. Gotta just keep chipping at it. Think they can be mediocre at least, like the Texans. Low bar. I know. 😁

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Goedert needs to walk. Would they be worse without him this year? Yep. But that offense needs draft picks, not cap $$$. The defenses needs cap $$$ and less draft picks.

Draft OL (preferably 2 with the first 2 picks) and then draft a TE. Accept the downgrade. But don’t spend one dime on the offense this offseason unless it’s Becton for a minimal deal.

I'd rather we just move away from 12 personnel

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd rather we just move away from 12 personnel

Frankly i wish they’d just cut Calcaterra simply so they can’t continue to keep running him out there to block.

I did a quick 10-cent viewing of some of the draft-eligible OT for 2026. For my woefully untrained eye, this is what I see:

Spencer Fano (RT) -- good push and power, equally good in run/pass pro, athletic and gets to the 2nd level. Intriguing prospect

Francis Mauigoa (RT) -- more of a mauler, doesn't move as well, looks slower and plodding, rather grabby

Kadyn Proctor (LT) -- huge at 6'7 and 366, good power, better run blocker than pass pro, gets bull-rushed, decent prospect

Gennings Dunker (RT) -- Athletic, technically sound, moves people well, good in pass and run, really solid in all facets but not elite

Isaiah World (LT) -- 6'8 and 320, he's more big than strong, looks a bit raw as well

Caleb Lomu (LT) -- technically solid, smart, always in position, mean, good in both pass pro and run blocking. I liked him a good bit

For me, part of it depends if there's any inclination to move Mailata to RT or not. If not, the evaluation would be whether these prospects can switch or not. I'd rank them Fano, Dunker, Lomu, Proctor, Mauigoa, World.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said last night Eagles actually outgained the Chargers and we’re moving the ball. That’s been a rarity for them this year. Their bigger issue last night was more of the fact they had as many turnovers as they did. Granted that’s been a theme in the last three weeks.

That said I do not trust the play calling. There’s still too many times where they’re still misusing personnel, which is why they have negative plays.

This is kind of how I felt -- there was improvement in the scheme and play design, but the play calling was still pretty bad. But there were guys open and Hurts just had arguably the worst game of his career. You hope it was a one off, but he's been bad since the bye. The 3 games outdoors you wanted to point to weather, but no excuses in Dallas or LA. He's just been really bad. It's the worst we have ever seen him play.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

This is kind of how I felt -- there was improvement in the scheme and play design, but the play calling was still pretty bad. But there were guys open and Hurts just had arguably the worst game of his career. You hope it was a one off, but he's been bad since the bye. The 3 games outdoors you wanted to point to weather, but no excuses in Dallas or LA. He's just been really bad. It's the worst we have ever seen him play.

Yup. Only thing that comes real close to this game was his jets game in 2023. Frankly i don’t think he trusts the play calls or coaching which is an issue. I’ve felt this way since 2023. It worked last year cause we had a historic run game and a defensive unit that was one of the best we’ve since in the last decade. Those stories and smoke from 2023 with hurts/sirianni got covered up last year due to winning and winning a SB. I still think they exist

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This is kind of how I felt -- there was improvement in the scheme and play design, but the play calling was still pretty bad. But there were guys open and Hurts just had arguably the worst game of his career. You hope it was a one off, but he's been bad since the bye. The 3 games outdoors you wanted to point to weather, but no excuses in Dallas or LA. He's just been really bad. It's the worst we have ever seen him play.

And the plays were still coming in late. It's time to fire KP and try the QB coach. Nick can keep working on the scheme.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. Only thing that comes real close to this game was his jets game in 2023. Frankly i don’t think he trusts the play calls or coaching which is an issue. I’ve felt this way since 2023. It worked last year cause we had a historic run game and a defensive unit that was one of the best we’ve since in the last decade. Those stories and smoke from 2023 with hurts/sirianni got covered up last year due to winning and winning a SB. I still think they exist

I think it's a combination of a few factors:

First, Hurts was playing hero ball to a degree last night, especially on that last pick. That ball needs to be handed off 100 out of 100 times. Hurts is pressing to try and make something happen, and that's when he gets in trouble.

Second, while the play design/concepts improved, the play calling and sequencing was still awful and getting us into too many 2nd and 3rd and longs. Nohting builds on prior plays -- KP just seems to pick a pass or run play out of a hat.

Third, Hurts is just making bad reads time and again. The first and last picks were 100% on him making a terrible read a high school QB should have figured out.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I think it's a combination of a few factors:

First, Hurts was playing hero ball to a degree last night, especially on that last pick. That ball needs to be handed off 100 out of 100 times. Hurts is pressing to try and make something happen, and that's when he gets in trouble.

Second, while the play design/concepts improved, the play calling and sequencing was still awful and getting us into too many 2nd and 3rd and longs. Nohting builds on prior plays -- KP just seems to pick a pass or run play out of a hat.

Third, Hurts is just making bad reads time and again. The first and last picks were 100% on him making a terrible read a high school QB should have figured out.

To your second point been saying that all year. Seth Joyner nails it here

Agree on third point. I thought he had 3 picks on bad reads and 1 he was fortunate got overturned.

Lurie finally got Russ!!!

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To your second point been saying that all year. Seth Joyner nails it here

Agree on third point. I thought he had 3 picks on bad reads and 1 he was fortunate got overturned.

Steichen and Moore were great at just going back to the well over and over again, but building variations to keep the defense honest. I mean, we run hook routes to the sticks non-stop -- maybe run a double move off it one damn time??

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I think it's a combination of a few factors:

First, Hurts was playing hero ball to a degree last night, especially on that last pick. That ball needs to be handed off 100 out of 100 times. Hurts is pressing to try and make something happen, and that's when he gets in trouble.

Second, while the play design/concepts improved, the play calling and sequencing was still awful and getting us into too many 2nd and 3rd and longs. Nohting builds on prior plays -- KP just seems to pick a pass or run play out of a hat.

Third, Hurts is just making bad reads time and again. The first and last picks were 100% on him making a terrible read a high school QB should have figured out.

Not seeing the field well. Barkley is also leaving plays out there. Feels like they are pressing to me and in a funk. Happens in all sports. This is not who they are or who they have become. Eagles can only hope they snap out of it. Would like to see more Tank and different tweaks that play to Hurts strengths. Still waiting on that. They still can't get on the same page. On the other hand, the defense is seeing progressa ND playing great as a unit now. Too many snaps is a big worry. But a lot of guys haven't played a full season that are in there right now. So there's that. Need to rotate heavily in the coming weeks to save peeps. Baun, Mitchell and Coop will hopefully get that last week off if can clinch by then. 🤞

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Hoping they let JD and DG walk. I wouldn't be upset if they let Reed walk. Hope they bring Phillips back. Also Becton

Sure, let's let our best DL this season walk. Another "genius" idea from you.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Steichen and Moore were great at just going back to the well over and over again, but building variations to keep the defense honest. I mean, we run hook routes to the sticks non-stop -- maybe run a double move off it one damn time??

Yeah they don’t build off anything. They just run the same routes and concepts hoping it’ll work. The tush push surprise was about it. (Frankly if you watch that on replay Barkley is lined differently behind hurts than he usually is). We are in week 15 and we continue to just look like an offense picking plays out of a hat and hoping they’d work.

Furthermore, we continue to misuse our personnel. This was crap i was irritated with Doug about. Like in 2019, analytics showed wentz outside the pocket was elite and just average inside the pocket. So instead of finding ways to get wentz rolling out and having him do things outside the pocket, we’d do it 1-2 times with success then never use it again. Last night eye popping numbers difference under center vs. shotgun. Yet we had 51 plays in shotgun to 15 plays under center. Don’t even want to go into devonta chipping on 3rd and 12 or calceterra’s egregious usage