22 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What's the betting line that Hurts is benched at any point in the season?

You should bet everything you own that Hurts gets benched this year

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

I know. I was generally saying that this roster is not favorable for him to succeed, as is last year's version. AJ still won't be open. Barkley still won't be running any better with this Oline and his dancing and he just may get sacked a bunch more than Hurts. They are seeing him in the light that this offense is not dysfunctional and disabled.

It might take a quarter or 2 for teams to be caught off guard by all of the new passing concepts that we are suddenly capable of running successfully till their defenses all have to back off and try to adjust to cover McKee slicing and dicing their secondary. AJ will suddenly appear open all the time (because he is), and Barkley will start seeing plenty of room by the 2nd half.

A QB change will change absolutely everything and this team will instantly become unstoppable.

48 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

By the way @vikas83 as much as you can try to reason with the cap implications, one think you really need to consider is that for all the mistakes Howie has made over the years, hes not been one to just sit on his mistakes. He owns them and turns things over very quickly.

If they all realize Hurts is not it anymore, then Howie is going to either find a way out of it with lesser pain than you are able to figure on your spreadsheets, or hes just going to shock you and eat the bullet.

One thing we can be sure of is Howie is not just going to say oops, oh well we are stuck and sit on hia hands for the next 3 seasons till its more affordable to get a new QB. Spreadsheets be damned...

You're great at the numbers but youre forgetting the behavioral side of things.

No chance Howie will sit on this if they decide to make a change. His biggest contract by far so solves a lot of other problems if it is off the books.

Guys hear me out. Sounds crazy but the colts brought Rivers out of retirement at 44 after not throwing an NFL pass since 2020…. Time to bring out the secret weapon… BIG DICK NICK FOLES!!!!

3 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

I just don’t understand the malpractice.

Also, when the hell is the last time we ran a running back screen? Facing all of these stacked boxes and pressures, we can’t let them through and get blockers down the field? All these backs and can’t even do a simply slip screen?

Yup patullo nicks answer to the blitz was to toss a quick out a yard behind the LOS to Smitty...☹️

Stupid stuff

The offensive design and scheme just sucks so bad.

During the game I remarked on here after a failed 3rd and 4 from an empty set that from the tv broadcast I couldnt see all the routes run but I bet it was 4 hitches, so I went and looked back at it, and sure enough 4 hitches routes with AJ running some weird rub slant from the boundary behind on of the slot hitches, every single route was covered as defenses know the hitches are coming 55 times a gane especially on 3rd and medium

This offense is so vanilla and predictable and just idiotically bad

3 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I would think contracts can be redone if both parties agree to it. Whether both parties could get together would be the question.

I don't think that takes away the dead cap hit to the Eagles though.

Everyone is trying to do mental gymnastics to create a scenario for trading Hurts before it's even feasible. He has a no trade clause so would have to agree to which team he would go. Plus the dead money issue. Howie is a genius, but let's be realistic.

Just now, Miami said:

No chance Howie will sit on this if they decide to make a change. His biggest contract by far so solves a lot of other problems if it is off the books.

No, thats the complicating factor. As vikas has explained, this contract doesnt just come off the books. This doesnt work like the NBA.

Still, the eagles arent just gonna say oops we are stuck guess we are throwing away the next 2 or 3 seasons with Hurts till we can move him.

If they cant trade him, they just have to make him a very highly paid backup.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I don't think that takes away the dead cap hit to the Eagles though.

Everyone is trying to do mental gymnastics to create a scenario for trading Hurts before it's even feasible. He has a no trade clause so would have to agree to which team he would go. Plus the dead money issue. Howie is a genius, but let's be realistic.

The no trade clause is easier to get around. I think if they went to him and said we want to trade you and give you a chance to start somewhere else as we are moving on then he’d do it. the NTC is more in place as he can decline going to a place he doesn’t want to go to like Cleveland. Basically have to deal him to a place he’d feel comfortable going too

36 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I honestly would have expected them to increase the time to allow more ads. I'm surprised they're shortening it

That's the thing. They CAN allow more ads. They can still keep the same time slot and put more ads in to fill the time saved.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The no trade clause is easier to get around. I think if they went to him and said we want to trade you and give you a chance to start somewhere else as we are moving on then he’d do it. I’m the NTC is more he can decline going to a place he doesn’t want to go to like Cleveland. Basically have to deal him to a place he’d feel comfortable going too

I truly believe the NTC is basically a non-factor. Hurts/Sirianni have for years reportedly had a rocky relationship. According to fans, Siri cant design, or call a proper offense to maximize Hurts' skills. Hurts best friend no longer appears to get along with him here. Fans and media are turning on Hurts at this point. Hurts has been paid a TON of money. Im not sure what people think would make Hurts refuse to be traded out of here. I think he would welcome the challenge, or rather see it as an attractive opportunity to move on with a different HC/OC and city.

I agree there may be a select few teams maybe he would decline. But Im sure there will be teams who think they can design an offense around him.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It might take a quarter or 2 for teams to be caught off guard by all of the new passing concepts that we are suddenly capable of running successfully till their defenses all have to back off and try to adjust to cover McKee slicing and dicing their secondary. AJ will suddenly appear open all the time (because he is), and Barkley will start seeing plenty of room by the 2nd half.

A QB change will change absolutely everything and this team will instantly become unstoppable.

Hurts isn't right at this point and not playing well. But still not abandoning season after winning a Superbowl, for essentially a rookie. There will be growing pains as there usually is with 1st time starters. Not time to start experimenting unless he's hurt. Hurts played well with no running game, just last year in the Superbowl. Dickerson and Jurgens were disabled in that game for sure. So the coaching is different from that day and the talent level is just not the same on the O- Line and AJ/Barkley slipping some. Everyone needs to play better. Not just Hurts.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hurts has been benched before and took it like a champ. I believe he will do it again in Philly and move on graciously when the eagles can finally do it affordably.

I dont think he is the kind of player to make it a debacle, so it wont be one.

Maybe the NFL will award Oklahoma the next expansion franchise.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I truly believe the NTC is basically a non-factor. Hurts/Sirianni have for years reportedly had a rocky relationship. According to fans, Siri cant design, or call a proper offense to maximize Hurts' skills. Hurts best friend no longer appears to get along with him here. Fans and media are turning on Hurts at this point. Hurts has been paid a TON of money. Im not sure what people think would make Hurts refuse to be traded out of here. I think he would welcome the challenge, or rather see it as an attractive opportunity to move on with a different HC/OC and city.

I agree there may be a select few teams maybe he would decline. But Im sure there will be teams who think they can design an offense around him.

I guarantee there would be a market where teams believe they can build an offense around him. We’ve seen QBs accomplish less or massively declined to a point and still get a job. Don’t know the value it would be coming back but I’m guessing a market. Plus it could be some team like the cardinals that views him as SB mvp so it’s not just on the field but marketing as well.

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

Funny to hear that Hurts sucks and he outplayed a hall of famer in 2 Superbowls. Must have been sheer luck. You guys have lost your minds! There are so many issues right now and he is one of them. But it's gotten extreme here. It's a team game bros. They aren't helping him much this year with play calling, key player drops, bad penalties and Saquon missing clear holes regularly. Lot of crap happening on the offense to step on their own toes. And the kicker blows as well. In spite of his terrible performance last week, he still made enough plays last week to win. Only 2 guys are playing well in Devanta and Goedert. The rest are playing subpar.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm constantly seeing this even on facebook. What would Hurts have looked like if he faced Eagles defense in SB 59?

People are always taking 2 separate scenarios and acting like they're comparable

Better yet, what would he have done facing the Eagles defense, behind the Chiefs offensive line, with the Chiefs 21st ranked running game and Worthy and the ghost of Hopkins as his top two WR's.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I guarantee there would be a market where teams believe they can build an offense around him.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I guarantee there would be a market where teams believe they can build an offense around him. We’ve seen QBs accomplish less or massively declined to a point and still get a job. Don’t know the value it would be coming back but I’m guessing a market. Plus it could be some team like the cardinals that views him as SB mvp so it’s not just on the field but marketing as well.

The thing I am concerned about is if Hurts got Wentzed with this concussion that I insist has affected him all year. At this point he is looking very broken rather than a little broken like he was for the first few weeks. Will he ever return to form?

Its gonna be like the embiid tightrope walk. If you wait too long, there wont be value. Slowly everyone will notice the degradation of his ability and at some point its going to be glaringly obvious and sad.

Right now, Im not sure how much there is but Im sure its still pretty high for a bunch of teams. Im sure his most devoted supporters wont be impressed by the return, but Id guess theyll still get a 1st plus more for him.

2 minutes ago, Lambo said:

They also make a lot of sense if Carroll is still there. They will also sell the crap out of the sb mvp to make sales and as an added bonus besides on the field.

2 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Better yet, what would he have done facing the Eagles defense, behind the Chiefs offensive line, with the Chiefs 21st ranked running game and Worthy and the ghost of Hopkins as his top two WR's.

The Chiefs were only there because of defense. The revisionist history with Hurts is silly. He performed elite on the biggest stage against one of the best defensive coordinators in post season history and he did it twice. He did soemthing Josh Allen and Lamar couldn’t do and he did it twice.

Right now Hurts looks like hot garbage. Both things can be true.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

The thing I am concerned about is if Hurts got Wentzed with this concussion that I insist has affected him all year. At this point he is looking very broken rather than a little broken like he was for the first few weeks. Will he ever return to form?

Its gonna be like the embiid tightrope walk. If you wait too long, there wont be value. Slowly everyone will notice the degradation of his ability and at some point its going to be glaringly obvious and sad.

Right now, Im not sure how much there is but Im sure its still pretty high for a bunch of teams. Im sure his most devoted supporters wont be impressed by the return, but Id guess theyll still get a 1st plus more for him.

I think the return now would probably be relatively high as he won a SB last year and played his best in the two biggest games. I’d assume around the league at least some teams would use better coaching could get him fixed and back and he’s still relatively young at 27. Issue is when they can move him. Like vikas said it’s a hard task to do it next year. I think there’s a 1% chance cause i can never say never but it is 99% not happening due to the contract. Maybe can maneuver it in a way they can but looks like it’s not possible. If he’s dealt after 2026 I’m guessing the package is likely something similar to wentz

Weird how the best offensive performance of the season was when AJ didn’t play. Ever since he threw his temper tantrum and became offensive coordinator AJ has been getting his but the team…?

Weird.

23 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No, thats the complicating factor. As vikas has explained, this contract doesnt just come off the books. This doesnt work like the NBA.

Still, the eagles arent just gonna say oops we are stuck guess we are throwing away the next 2 or 3 seasons with Hurts till we can move him.

If they cant trade him, they just have to make him a very highly paid backup.

Save the shtick

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the return now would probably be relatively high as he won a SB last year and played his best in the two biggest games. I’d assume around the league at least some teams would use better coaching could get him fixed and back and he’s still relatively young at 27. Issue is when they can move him. Like vikas said it’s a hard task to do it next year. I think there’s a 1% chance cause i can never say never but it is 99% not happening due to the contract. Maybe can maneuver it in a way they can but looks like it’s not possible. If he’s dealt after 2026 I’m guessing the package is likely something similar to wentz

I agree with you, and with Vikas.

As I see it, the team is best set for success next year with McKee starting, and since Hurts is unmovable, he can be our #2 QB.

Considering my concussion theory, and possibly getting Wentz'd permanently, making Hurts the #2 also hides his further deterioration from other teams and holds his high value whereas continuing to play him further degrades his value by the time we can trade him.

59 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Let's put Carson Strong in there. Geniuses. Many people still eating crow in here about that and that you CAN win a Superbowl with Hurts. Went to 2 of them so far by the age of 26. If that's all he does ever it's still a hell of a pick by Howie. Had brain dead Carson Wentz at QB. Be thankful.

I wonder if Kansas City not scoring their first point until there were 34 seconds left in the 3rd quarter had anything to do with it.

Good news, replacement refs are back on the menu

2 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Weird how the best offensive performance of the season was when AJ didn’t play. Ever since he threw his temper tantrum and became offensive coordinator AJ had been getting his but the team…?

Weird.

Sometimes teams have QBs who can feed numerous weapons on offense. Everyone has success, and the team wins. With our QB, 1 guy at a time eats and thats it. Its always either Smih, OR Brown, OR Goedert.

Its no surprise that predictably force feeding Brown isnt a winning strategy. Especially when that means no one else can get a fair share of targets because our QB doesnt know how to spread the ball around.