1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m willing to make a sizable wager that Jeffrey Lurie hires new OC to try and tries to fix hurts this offseason over accepting a sunk cost of hurts rotting on the bench (assuming hurts doesn’t get a torn acl or something like that).

This will be the path forward. If the Eagles don't get righted enough to win a playoff game and lose while playing well in the Divisional Round the meeting with Lurie will be much the same as the one in 2023. Howie and Nick will be on the phones again canvassing the best available experienced OCs.

I would expect McCarthy or Daboll would be near the top of the list.

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I'm willing to try that idea more than benching Hurts. Neither are too smart right now. In reality, there's all kinds of people who can be benched right now playing like horsecrap. Think this offense just needs to get mediocre by EOY and they have a fighting chance.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I honestly can't grasp your point. Why would you want Hurts as a backup in 2026 instead of trading him post June 1? Get a better return and he's off the team.

Is this some weird fetish where you want him to have to be embarrassed and be a backup? If they decide to move on, rip the band aid once it is financially viable.

Not at all. Ive never even considered the factor of embarrassment. Thats like a @we_gotta_believe level strawman accusation.

I thought youve explained numerous times how harmful it will be to our cap. Even a post June 1st is very expensive, according to you.

So long as Hurts is not the starter, I can be patient. I dont hate him and need him off the team immediately. In fact, Ive always quite liked the idea of him as a backup QB like he was actually drafted to be. So I can wait as long as I need to until we reach the point where we have to extend McKee. As long as we can possibly stretch it out, it makes the dead cap cheaper for us. 

Ive already stated why benching him now, or at the very latest by week 1 of next season actually serves to protect his value. I can also say, that a massive return is not my biggest concern in trading him. The biggest concern should be to have a QB who can take his place, and I believe we already have that in McKee. So Im more interested in minimizing the cap implications rather than preserving the return. Benching him now, sorta gives us the best of both worlds though, imo.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m willing to make a sizable wager that Jeffrey Lurie hires new OC to try and tries to fix hurts this offseason over accepting a sunk cost of hurts rotting on the bench (assuming hurts doesn’t get a torn acl or something like that).

Yeah, unfortunately me too.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah, unfortunately me too.

I’m at the point the new OC comes in at the conclusion of the season. if hurts and the offense is still lousy by week 4-6 that they are going to see what they have in McKee. I also wouldn’t be entirely shocked if they take a QB in round 3-4 they like

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not at all. Ive never even considered the factor of embarrassment. Thats like a @we_gotta_believe level strawman accusation.

I thought youve explained numerous times how harmful it will be to our cap. Even a post June 1st is very expensive, according to you.

So long as Hurts is not the starter, I can be patient. I dont hate him and need him off the team immediately. In fact, Ive always quite liked the idea of him as a backup QB like he was actually drafted to be. So I can wait as long as I need to until we reach the point where we have to extend McKee. As long as we can possibly stretch it out, it makes the dead cap cheaper for us. 

Ive already stated why benching him now, or at the very latest by week 1 of next season actually serves to protect his value. I can also say, that a massive return is not my biggest concern in trading him. The biggest concern should be to have a QB who can take his place, and I believe we already have that in McKee. So Im more interested in minimizing the cap implications rather than preserving the return. Benching him now, sorta gives us the best of both worlds though, imo.

A post June 1 trade moves the cap hit to 2027, when we can accommodate it. From a cap perspective, it's cheaper than moving him after the 2027 season because you don't add additional deferred money from 2026. Basically, the $65 million in dead money gets split between 2026 and 2027, and you end up with small cap savings in 2027 vs. having him on the roster ($33 million dead money vs. $41.8 million cap number). Our issue us we can't take a $65 million charge, or $33 million in excess of his cap number, all in 2026. From a cap perspective, trading him post June 1 is the best outcome - moves his 2026 comp and 2027 guarantees to another team. Trading him AFTER the 2026 season is $84 million in dead money because you paid him $51 million in 2026 but took only $32 million in cap charges, adding $19 million more in dead money.

See below -- June 2026 is your ideal time.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah of course. The question is what it would look like with say a Love or a Darnold. Someone decent but not top 8.

As bad as Hurts has been recently I’d take him over both those idiots.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

A post June 1 trade moves the cap hit to 2027, when we can accommodate it. From a cap perspective, it's cheaper than moving him after the 2027 season because you don't add additional deferred money from 2026. Basically, the $65 million in dead money gets split between 2026 and 2027, and you end up with small cap savings in 2027 vs. having him on the roster ($33 million dead money vs. $41.8 million cap number). Our issue us we can't take a $65 million charge, or $33 million in excess of his cap number, all in 2026. From a cap perspective, trading him post June 1 is the best outcome - moves his 2026 comp and 2027 guarantees to another team. Trading him AFTER the 2026 season is $84 million in dead money because you paid him $51 million in 2026 but took only $32 million in cap charges, adding $19 million more in dead money.

See below -- June 2026 is your ideal time.

So party in June 2026?

This doesn't get mentioned enough. Eagles have not won 1 game since Lane Johnson has been out of the lineup. This has been the history with this team. They don't win without him especially against good teams. That has been their track record with him out of the lineup. Just not the same team. Fred Johnson is JAG at best. And Steen is also pretty mediocre next to him. The margin for error is miniscule with this team this year.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I wonder what kind of beating that thing took when the players returned from their cross-country flight off a loss.

8 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

This doesn't get mentioned enough. Eagles have not won 1 game since Lane Johnson has been out of the lineup This has been the history with this team. They don't win without him especially against good teams. That has been their track record with him out of the lineup. Just not the same team. Fred Johnson is JAG at best. And Steen is also pretty mediocre next to him. The margin for error is miniscule with this team this year.

I actually don’t think Fred has been playing that bad. And I don’t know how much Lane would have helped the defense giving up 300 rushing yards against Chicago.

They beat the Lions and Rams with Lane Johnson only playing like 10 snaps in each. They were also 5-1 with Fred Johnson starting for Lane last year.

Lane being out there helps for sure. Maybe Becton helped out last year. But Fred Johnson hasn't been some abomination out there losing games for them.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I actually don’t think Fred has been playing that bad. And I don’t know how much Lane would have helped the defense giving up 300 rushing yards against Chicago.

He's serviceable. But not Lane Johnson. Even in his advanced years. Who knows! All I know is they just don't win without that guy. He's still a difference maker for me. With a line that needs all the stability it can get. Will need him to have any hope here going forward.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Can always bring in Curtis

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Not sure if the 2026 draft class is supposed to be strong or weak at CB; I gotta say, when I viewed a few of them the top guys all looked comparable and no one stood out. I didn't see any of them with great ball skills, so my assumption is the Eagles would be looking for fast and smart, in the Mitchell/DeJean mold:

Jermod McCoy -- physical, good tackler, man CB, smart

Avieon Arnold -- slightly smaller, fast, make up speed, willing tackler, man CB

Mansoor Delane -- sticky man CB but grabby, decent ball skills, converted S to CB

Daylen Everette -- physical, good tackler, decent ball skills

Malik Muhammad -- good in man and zone coverage, sticky, good at everything but not elite

Colton Hood -- 5'11 boundary CB, fluid, zone CB, good closing speed

I'd have to wait and see how these guys test to form a form preference, but the two 5'11 guys Arnold and Hood both looked interesting.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Not sure if the 2026 draft class is supposed to be strong or weak at CB; I gotta say, when I viewed a few of them the top guys all looked comparable and no one stood out. I didn't see any of them with great ball skills, so my assumption is the Eagles would be looking for fast and smart, in the Mitchell/DeJean mold:

Jermod McCoy -- physical, good tackler, man CB, smart

Avieon Arnold -- slightly smaller, fast, make up speed, willing tackler, man CB

Mansoor Delane -- sticky man CB but grabby, decent ball skills, converted S to CB

Daylen Everette -- physical, good tackler, decent ball skills

Malik Muhammad -- good in man and zone coverage, sticky, good at everything but not elite

Colton Hood -- 5'11 boundary CB, fluid, zone CB, good closing speed

I'd have to wait and see how these guys test to form a form preference, but the two 5'11 guys Arnold and Hood both looked interesting.

I kind of think the Eagles are going to draft one relatively high. But I also kind of think someone like a Greg Newsome who’s going to be a free agent and only 26 they might take a flyer on. And have him compete with a rookie that you bring in for that number two corner job.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

He'll be a free agent in 2027, unless the Bucs keep him. I would think by that time, Eagles would just draft a QB if they hadn't already.

I wasn’t suggesting they go after Mayfield. I’m just wondering how much Nick alters his own philosophy to align with Hurts’ unique skillset.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They beat the Lions and Rams with Lane Johnson only playing like 10 snaps in each. They were also 5-1 with Fred Johnson starting for Lane last year.

Lane being out there helps for sure. Maybe Becton helped out last year. But Fred Johnson hasn't been some abomination out there losing games for them.

Next to Matt Pryor he's a Hall of Famer. A healthy Lane Johnson is a whole different animal. The guy who barely ever ever gives up a sack is a difference maker. And still a solid run blocker. Can leave Lane out there on an island & never worry. Dominos to the rest of the line on that impact.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of think the Eagles are going to draft one relatively high. But I also kind of think someone like a Greg Newsome who’s going to be a free agent and only 26 they might take a flyer on. And have him compete with a rookie that you bring in for that number two corner job.

I'm praying we find Lane's heir and are able to draft him

Though I wonder how Mailata would be at RT and it'd be easier to draft a LT? Lane was supposed to replace Peters but then Peters ended up staying longer and we moved Lane to RT and just kept him there because he was great

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm praying we find Lane's heir and are able to draft him

I’d imagine they take a OT relatively high too. Although i kind of think the believe cam Williams and Hinton can eventually be starters. I think Williams ceiling if he reaches it is higher

I will repeat this, if somehow we get a healthy Lane Johnson and Jalen Carter for the playoffs & the offense continues to evolve and become just mediocre, I would hate to play the Eagles come playoff time. The key is to clinch by that last Commanders game for a bye week to rest some peeps, especially Reed, Q, Coop and Baun. I believe this is a one off for Hurts (WORST GAME OF HIS CAREER) and he rebounds greatly. Hope AJ doesn't turtle and figures out how to stride correctly for a ball next game. And we should be fine. Has there been anyone more resilient than this guy? In recent history? You guys will be eating your words before it's over. And I'll be laughing on how foolish everyone has been here planning his funeral.

Don’t worry guys got a solution for these uncharacteristic things that are happening