I'd bet the Bucs will be interested.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'd bet the Bucs will be interested.

For what? Passing game coordinator?

Still no word of an interview with Kingsbury? That one is confusing. It's fine if they don't like what they hear but to not even bring him in to talk doesn't make any sense.

Remember the Jets had Mike LaFleur as their OC and fired him after 2 years. Guy's been the OC for arguably the best offense in the NFL and is getting HC buzz now. So not all Jet cast offs are bad.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

For what? Passing game coordinator?

To bring onto the staff kinda like the Lions did with Kafka. But obviously Eagles would have first crack given they could offer OC(if they wanted).

Could see Ravens being interested too for OC, but I think they'll probably hire Kingsbury. I hope the Eagles at least interview Engstrand. Nothing to lose at this point by continuing to look around.

Really good conversation here. Brady starts by crediting people around him that helped him grow and maintain. Then they talk about work ethic, internal drive, and not taking the easy way out when facing a challenge. When you do that early on, when you face harder challenges later you aren't afraid. He gives the example to Shaq that if you face a really good team in the playoffs, you can't just go around them, you have to go through them. I've enjoyed hearing Brady talk since his retirement, he shares a lot of good insights.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I am not impressed by the GB offense. They dont run the ball all that well. I know thats become pretty good with Josh Jacobs in town, but it still doesnt look like a dangerous run game to me. Hes just a good RB. Love misses tons of passes and cant operate under pressure. The WRs drop a ton of passes. And I am not sure how much they are schemed open vs using the speed to open things up.

I do like that they value speed at WR. And that alone opens things up by stretching the field. And they do run routes to stretch the field, and pass a lot in the intermediate and long areas rather than spamming curls.

It seems similar to the Ravens scheme to me. And I wasnt a big fan of going for Monken. But hes the best left. And Mannion offers probably something similar.

Seens their scheme would be an improvement as long as Hurts is willing to throw to those intermediate routes.

Frank Smith is my new favorite - I think LaFleur is a mediocre play caller and that has been a problem. They also had issues run blocking. Mannion would be a ho hum hire. Monken's system would be similar to what Hurts ran under Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Remember the Jets had Mike LaFleur as their OC and fired him after 2 years. Guy's been the OC for arguably the best offense in the NFL and is getting HC buzz now. So not all Jet cast offs are bad.

The Jets are the NFL's farm system.

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Remember the Jets had Mike LaFleur as their OC and fired him after 2 years. Guy's been the OC for arguably the best offense in the NFL and is getting HC buzz now. So not all Jet cast offs are bad.

Big difference between being OC under McVay and OC under Saleh

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I am not impressed by the GB offense. They dont run the ball all that well. I know thats become pretty good with Josh Jacobs in town, but it still doesnt look like a dangerous run game to me. Hes just a good RB. Love misses tons of passes and cant operate under pressure. The WRs drop a ton of passes. And I am not sure how much they are schemed open vs using the speed to open things up.

I do like that they value speed at WR. And that alone opens things up by stretching the field. And they do run routes to stretch the field, and pass a lot in the intermediate and long areas rather than spamming curls.

It seems similar to the Ravens scheme to me. And I wasnt a big fan of going for Monken. But hes the best left. And Mannion offers probably something similar.

Seens their scheme would be an improvement as long as Hurts is willing to throw to those intermediate routes.

My concern with Mannion isn’t Xs and Os (because who really knows), but the amount of bad habits that Love still has. Inconsistent footwork, fade away throws, questionable decision making, etc. And without the playcalling experience, we have another guy set up to be scapegoated for personnel failures.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The Jets are the NFL's farm system.

Ouch.... LOL

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

My concern with Mannion isn’t Xs and Os (because who really knows), but the amount of bad habits that Love still has. Inconsistent footwork, fade away throws, questionable decision making, etc. And without the playcalling experience, we have another guy set up to be scapegoated for personnel failures.

Yeah. Someone put a confusey face on my post about Love, but damn if "developing" him is your claim to fame thats pathetic.

Now, this Jets guy- he turned Goff from a bust in to a functional, dangerous QB. Goff's skillset is nothing at all resembling Hurts though, so that may be an issue. He went to the Jets with Fields, and Fields still stinks so... maybe we need Nuss in the draft.

I mean... he did help Malik Willis look legit and will likely get 20-25m per on the free agent market. Malik Willis went from not even being able to throw the ball functionally to looking like like a legit NFL QB in like a year.

15 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Big difference between being OC under McVay and OC under Saleh

For sure. There's also a big difference between having Justin Fields at QB, Josh Reynolds as your WR1 and a bottom 1/3 OL than Tanner would have calling plays pretty much anywhere else.

19 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

My concern with Mannion isn’t Xs and Os (because who really knows), but the amount of bad habits that Love still has. Inconsistent footwork, fade away throws, questionable decision making, etc. And without the playcalling experience, we have another guy set up to be scapegoated for personnel failures.

Addresses that below

Frankly I don't care about who they developed, how what players played under them because that's not entirely in their control. The Eagles have veteran offensive players that just need a good process through the week of preparation, film study and designing plays to their strengths. And in game calling plays that suit the situation and making adjustments to what's not working.

Really they need basic offensive coordinator 101. Someone that has experience calling plays that knows what to do in the right situations. Someone with enough experience to not use the wrong TE in the wrong situation, be predictable with the looks, ignore Tank Bigsby for reasons, get the play call in early enough to leave time on the clock so they're not always rushed. I mean having a great OC with creativity and innovation would be great. But an average OC would be a huge upgrade from Patullo. Still mind boggling Nick watched that all year and didn't intervene to change anything. Patullo should have been fired midway through the season.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Frankly I don't care about who they developed, how what players played under them because that's not entirely in their control. The Eagles have veteran offensive players that just need a good process through the week of preparation, film study and designing plays to their strengths. And in game calling plays that suit the situation and making adjustments to what's not working.

Really they need basic offensive coordinator 101. Someone that has experience calling plays that knows what to do in the right situations. Someone with enough experience to not use the wrong TE in the wrong situation, be predictable with the looks, ignore Tank Bigsby for reasons, get the play call in early enough to leave time on the clock so they're not always rushed. I mean having a great OC with creativity and innovation would be great. But an average OC would be a huge upgrade from Patullo. Still mind boggling Nick watched that all year and didn't intervene to change anything. Patullo should have been fired midway through the season.

It was amazing watching the teams on Sunday scheme people open in big situations. That's what they need.

32 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Still no word of an interview with Kingsbury? That one is confusing. It's fine if they don't like what they hear but to not even bring him in to talk doesn't make any sense.

They just talked to him in 2024. If the reports are true about that breaking down over Stoutland, it's probably just a quick check in to see if his opinion changed or not. If not, there isn't much point.

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Frankly I don't care about who they developed, how what players played under them because that's not entirely in their control. The Eagles have veteran offensive players that just need a good process through the week of preparation, film study and designing plays to their strengths. And in game calling plays that suit the situation and making adjustments to what's not working.

Really they need basic offensive coordinator 101. Someone that has experience calling plays that knows what to do in the right situations. Someone with enough experience to not use the wrong TE in the wrong situation, be predictable with the looks, ignore Tank Bigsby for reasons, get the play call in early enough to leave time on the clock so they're not always rushed. I mean having a great OC with creativity and innovation would be great. But an average OC would be a huge upgrade from Patullo. Still mind boggling Nick watched that all year and didn't intervene to change anything. Patullo should have been fired midway through the season.

This is great.

I will add that if Siri knew how to fix it, he would’ve fixed it. He just doesn’t know what he’s doing. He’s a puppet.

Our next OC

We're coming for that record.

We are at 7 in the last 7 years.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Frankly I don't care about who they developed, how what players played under them because that's not entirely in their control. The Eagles have veteran offensive players that just need a good process through the week of preparation, film study and designing plays to their strengths. And in game calling plays that suit the situation and making adjustments to what's not working.

Really they need basic offensive coordinator 101. Someone that has experience calling plays that knows what to do in the right situations. Someone with enough experience to not use the wrong TE in the wrong situation, be predictable with the looks, ignore Tank Bigsby for reasons, get the play call in early enough to leave time on the clock so they're not always rushed. I mean having a great OC with creativity and innovation would be great. But an average OC would be a huge upgrade from Patullo. Still mind boggling Nick watched that all year and didn't intervene to change anything. Patullo should have been fired midway through the season.

To me it’s a better data point than pretty much anything a pure passing game coordinator could give. The guy you led the room with, the guy you worked with day in and day out, got better and exceeded all expectations.

Passing game coordinators are situational. It’s a support function. Maybe you get 3rd down, maybe RZ. You’re coordinating with the position coaches, players. and the OC, but you don’t really own much of anything, not even the "passing game.”

1 minute ago, Eriv20 said:

This is great.

I will add that if Siri knew how to fix it, he would’ve fixed it. He just doesn’t know what he’s doing. He’s a puppet.

I don't think Nick had the answers, but I also think the whole organization had PTSD from the DC change in 2023 and the immediate collapse of the defense under Patricia. I don't think there was any scenario where they were taking play calling away from Patullo, at least officially, during the season.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Frankly I don't care about who they developed, how what players played under them because that's not entirely in their control. The Eagles have veteran offensive players that just need a good process through the week of preparation, film study and designing plays to their strengths. And in game calling plays that suit the situation and making adjustments to what's not working.

Really they need basic offensive coordinator 101. Someone that has experience calling plays that knows what to do in the right situations. Someone with enough experience to not use the wrong TE in the wrong situation, be predictable with the looks, ignore Tank Bigsby for reasons, get the play call in early enough to leave time on the clock so they're not always rushed. I mean having a great OC with creativity and innovation would be great. But an average OC would be a huge upgrade from Patullo. Still mind boggling Nick watched that all year and didn't intervene to change anything. Patullo should have been fired midway through the season.

Yes. Getting back to basic fundamentals and be at a certain baseline, should be the easy part with a professional NFL OC. Just not being retarded and not getting in your own way will be a pretty good upgrade here. Besides that, also need to upgrade a few positions here where we slipped off last year. It's not all on just the coaching to make this a better offense. The talent level peaked in 2024 and slipped last year. I don't expect everyone to rebound to former levels next year, so gotta get more talent in here. Status quo ain't enough.

When did the league start doing the passing game coordinators for defensive and offensive?