5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Short leash??? There is no leash.

If you are successful, you get a head coaching gig. If not, you get the door.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some believe Nick will have no say. Part of me thinks that's just not happening. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the same setup: Nicks offense and the new OC is calling the plays

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some believe Nick will have no say. Part of me thinks that's just not happening. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the same setup: Nicks offense and the new OC is calling the plays

I don’t think Daboll would go for that

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Honestly, I think Daboll benefitted from Allen far more than Allen benefitted from Daboll. You could put a number of other OCs in that situation and had similar results. In fact, haven't the Bills continued to field top-10 (or maybe even top-5?) offenses in every season after Daboll got poached? We know that's not McDermott's doing, it's just Josh Allen really being that good. And then of course the disaster we witness in NYG. Granted some coordinators make for dogshit head coaches, but the offense should've at least looked serviceable at some point during his tenure and it never did. I think he's Mike McCoy part deux, profiting off of the association with an elite QB and taking more than his share of credit for the success.

Imo I think the difference is Josh Allen wasn’t mvp Josh Allen yet when daboll got there and was working with him in 2018. Allen was super raw talent that needed to be coached up from Wyoming. He had all the tools to become what he did (i know cause nearly everyone on the blog hated that pick but me). Daboll was there before and when he finally made that jump working with him. In two years of working with Allen he got him from 53% completion and 10-12 TD to year 2 having (2019) allen completing 58.8% of his passes, threw for 3088 yards 20-8 TD to int. In 2020 he had his best statistical season as a passer with daboll. 69%, 4544 with 37-10 pass TD/int. If daboll got there afterward like Joe Brady and he had already made that jump I’d be completely out on him. I think Allen deserves the most credit for being an elite talented player and working hard but i do think coaching early in his career was important to his development. He could’ve had Patullo and just misused

Tbh the bills pass offense has regressed each of the last 3 years. Gone from 8th to 9th to 15th.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some believe Nick will have no say. Part of me thinks that's just not happening. Wouldn't surprise me if it's the same setup: Nicks offense and the new OC is calling the plays

People act like Steichen & Moore were all Howie and Johnson & Patullo were all Nick

If Nick didn’t want Moore as OC, Moore wouldn’t have been OC

Conversely

If Howie didn’t sign off on Patullo being OC, there’s no way Patullo would have been OC

It will be a collaboration, whether or not technically spear headed by either one. I know that doesn’t fit everyone’s agenda but that’s just reality

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

People act like Steichen & Moore were all Howie and Johnson & Patullo were all Nick

If Nick didn’t want Moore as OC, Moore wouldn’t have been OC

Conversely

If Howie didn’t sign of on Patullo being OC, there’s no way Patullo would have been OC

It will be a collaboration, whether technically spear headed by either one

People can't give Nick credit for anything good. He's just some lucky guy who has one of the best first 5 years of any HC with 2 SB appearances and one championship. All luck

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

People act like Steichen & Moore were all Howie and Johnson & Patullo were all Nick

If Nick didn’t want Moore as OC, Moore wouldn’t have been OC

Conversely

If Howie didn’t sign of on Patullo being OC, there’s no way Patullo would have been OC

It will be a collaboration, whether technically spear headed by either one

Hmm I don’t know… Sure they all have to be "on the same page" to an extent. But the same happened with Doug. Winning that SB gives the HC that extra power to go and make a decision on their staff. I think Howie and Lurie approve of that as the HC has earned the right. But if it doesn’t work out then you strip that responsibility away.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Probably best for both him and the Steelers. Change of scenery might do him good. Worked for Andy Reid........along with landing a once in a generational QB.

@LeanMeanGM we should start a group!

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@LeanMeanGM we should start a group!

I have no problem with a new voice but it's hard top draw too many conclusions on position coaches. Reputation usually means more

13 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Short leash??? There is no leash.

If you are successful, you get a head coaching gig. If not, you get the door.

How many of these available OC's can work with Hurts and make it work? Probably not all of them. Hurts isnt the typical QB and his running ability is becoming less and less. I think these candidates will see that and be somewhat hesitant.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh the bills pass offense has regressed each of the last 3 years. Gone from 8th to 9th to 15th.

Cherry picking a bit to limit it only to passing, their overall offensive production has been really good.

6 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

If Nick didn’t want Moore as OC, Moore wouldn’t have been OC

I don’t think that’s true. At the time he was on the hot seat big time. He may have been OK with Moore but if they wanted Moore and he didn’t, too bad.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

People can't give Nick credit for anything good. He's just some lucky guy who has one of the best first 5 years of any HC with 2 SB appearances and one championship. All luck

I still haven't been able to get an answer for what does he do that makes him special. All I get is team stats

McCoy is credited with 2 SBs by team stats but never played on the field

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@LeanMeanGM we should start a group!

Long overdue.

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

2025: 4th in pts scored

2024: 2nd

2023: 6th

2022: 2nd

These were how they fared with Dorsey and Brady in the 4 seasons since Daboll was poached.

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Problem solved.

Like this signing. Wanted him as a UDFA. Wonder how he blocks. Should move to FB.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I still haven't been able to get an answer for what does he do that makes him special. All I get is team stats

McCoy is credited with 2 SBs by team stats but never played on the field

He’s the head coach though. He has to get credit.

No one can give me an answer to what Harbaugh is great at either. But he still gets the credit/blame.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

I have no problem with a new voice but it's hard top draw too many conclusions on position coaches. Reputation usually means more

I think the sample size on him is big enough. He was a Doug hire and has been here for awhile now. No one ever develops or gets better at WR. They still don't run scramble drills correctly after all these years. There has been no interest either from the Eagles or any outside organization in moving up the ladder.

The only thing you can point to that says he should stay is the players seem to like him.

Do all these guys that some of you quote from Twitter like Shane Haff, Thomas Peterson, Victor Williams, etc. work as analysts or journalists or are they just some random fan Twitter jerk O podcaster type?

3 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

He’s the head coach though. He has to get credit.

No one can give me an answer to what Harbaugh is great at either. But he still gets the credit/blame.

I'm wondering that myself. He was about to be fired before Lamar had a breakout season and saved his job

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

2025: 4th in pts scored

2024: 2nd

2023: 6th

2022: 2nd

These were how they fared with Dorsey and Brady in the 4 seasons since Daboll was poached.

Allen was terrible at first though and then improved immensely and has been great ever since. I think that’s why Daboll gets some credit there. 

But he knows and has worked with Hurts so it’s uniquely a possible fit for the Eagles. 

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Do all these guys that some of you quote from Twitter like Shane Haff, Thomas Peterson, Victor Williams, etc. work as analysts or journalists or are they just some random fan Twitter jerk O podcaster type?

The latter. Peterson and Williams in particular. Haff seems like he has a good grasp on the game at least but he's still just an internet "analyst".

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Do all these guys that some of you quote from Twitter like Shane Haff, Thomas Peterson, Victor Williams, etc. work as analysts or journalists or are they just some random fan Twitter jerk O podcaster type?

I would say somewhere in the middle.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

2025: 4th in pts scored

2024: 2nd

2023: 6th

2022: 2nd

These were how they fared with Dorsey and Brady in the 4 seasons since Daboll was poached.

daboll still holds the highest average ppg since 2020 at 31.3 ppg (2nd behind GB at 31.8 in 2020). Was a franchise record at the time in 16 games they scored 501. (broke last year but also played 17 games as compared to 16). That was when Allen made the jump from could be to mvp talent. I think it’s more impressive that daboll got Allen and that offense to 2nd in the league ppg in 3 seasons and go from prospect throwing 53% to 59% to 69%. Josh Allen’s best year as a passer in terms of completion percentage, yards, passing tds, Qb rating and QBR is still 2020 (second highest in yards per attempt). Pretty impressive with TD passes, yards considering they’ve gone to 17 games and he did it in 16 games that year

Joe brady also got the benefit of James cook emerging. Their running game has taken away from Allen needing to pass which contributed to their pass offense regression. However Allen had to be better cause run game had Devin singletary (687) and Zack moss (481 yards).

Off topic: MVP race that year was ridiculous. Rodgers and mahomes numbers were also ridiculous looking back at it