2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Apparently the person has to be with the prior org for 2 previous years

It's good they have that. Though I kind of agree with someone else that a team really should get it for new hires only. The same coach getting passed around shouldn't get every team picks

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can some of you draft people weigh in? Would you agree or disagree? I've seen some say this isn't a good draft for OT

I’m not smart enough to make sense of this chart, but if the cliff notes version is that this is a good OT group… well, I disagree. My opinion is that many of the top guys project better inside, so the upshot is that we have a good iOL class.

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It's good they have that. Though I kind of agree with someone else that a team really should get it for new hires only. The same coach getting passed around shouldn't get every team picks

This question came up last night during the CFP champ game or right at the end...I had to use my friend Google...

Eligibility for the Compensatory Picks:

• Minority Employee: Must be a minority coach or primary football executive (like a GM).

• Two-Year Tenure: The employee must have been employed by the original "employer-club" for a minimum of two full seasons.

• No Break in Service: There must be no break in employment between the original club and the new club hiring them.

• New Role: The minority employee must be hired into a Head Coach or General Manager position. 

Compensation Details:

• One Hire: The original team gets a 3rd-round pick in each of the next two drafts.

• Two Hires: If two such minority employees are hired by other teams, the original team gets a 3rd-round pick for three consecutive drafts.

• Pick Placement: These are "special compensatory selections," placed after regular compensatory picks in the third round. 

This rule, approved in 2020, incentivizes teams to invest in developing diverse talent by recognizing and rewarding them when that talent moves to leadership roles elsewhere, as noted by NBC Sports and NFL Football Operations, reports NFL.com, and seen in coverage from USA Today, as explained by Reddit users, r/NYGiants, r/panthers, and NFLNoobs, and Yardbarker, notes this YouTube video, and according to Wikipedia and this YouTube video. 

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It's good they have that. Though I kind of agree with someone else that a team really should get it for new hires only. The same coach getting passed around shouldn't get every team picks

I do wonder however if they take a look at that rule based on the situation. Had Saleh stayed another year (he was hired back by SF in Jan 2025), and then been hired after Jan 2027, SF by rule would again be granted the two picks. It's an edge case but something that should be looked at.

The guy just won the division and 11 wins after a Super Bowl win and people want him gone 🤣🤣

The bar is Super Bowl or bust

47 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can some of you draft people weigh in? Would you agree or disagree? I've seen some say this isn't a good draft for OT

Dont agree with their OL either way. Thin OT class, good IOL class

16 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

The guy just won the division and 11 wins after a Super Bowl win and people want him gone 🤣🤣

The bar is Super Bowl or bust

He didn't do it alone and if we're being honest about it.. it was really Vic

8 hours ago, Joe Ball said:

There has to be changes, this isn’t sustainable or even in the spirit of what college athletics are founded on.

Portal timing has to change coaches and players leaving teams during the CFP can’t happen. NIL needs to be looked at for tighter governance, it can’t just be whoever has the bigger bag wins. I don’t have the answers but there has to be some give and take to keep college sports what they’re meant to be to the institutions.

I don’t want college football to turn into what the NFL is now. Free agency came along and now you follow players as much as your favorite team because they’re always changing teams. Allow one, maybe two max transfer years, but college players playing for four or five different teams because of transferring willingly is crazy.

College players should be able to transfer as much as they want. Why do we yearn for days when you would have 2 or 3 schools that had all of the athletes. Why not let students, who have talent, leave a program for a better opportunity.

I have NIL contracts. I agree they need governance in terms of what the schools require of the students. Many of them include provisions which are likely not enforceable and drafted in favor of the schools.

2 hours ago, BwianWestbwook said:

I'm sure this is just end of season shellshock but unless Siri is fired I just think we're going nowhere

I wonder if the Bills would consider trading for him.

35 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’m not smart enough to make sense of this chart, but if the cliff notes version is that this is a good OT group… well, I disagree. My opinion is that many of the top guys project better inside, so the upshot is that we have a good iOL class.

This is a good chart from a visualization perspective, the real question is where did the source data come from. There are 4 prospects @OT rated in the top 25, 4 prospects @WR in the top 25 based on ESPN current overall prospect rankings. At least thats what I saw yesterday. It's all subjective based on people's opinion, and those people sit behind a desk, if the prospect rankings came from significant input of coaches I would put more stock in it.

Media types that are grading and ranking prospects is what land you a Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell pick. It's all about not picking a bust and picking the player that has the least amount of chance to fail. Teams have to, to some degree, consider a board/ranking. They should rely on their own scouts and evaluations first, which they probably do, they know what they're looking for, the question becomes is there a sexy pick there that didn't grade out well that they want because of name/reputation (think Johny Manziel). A lot of great players go undrafted or get picked in the late rounds, not every player develops at the same rate, some simply have the measurables but haven't "popped" yet as an impact player. Its amazing to me to see players get drafted that we've never heard of out of a school that may get a player once every few years drafted if ever, but those players go on the be really really good pro's.

It's a crap shoot, even with top rated players to a degree, everyone has a chance to bust.

The way I read this chart as a DAL fan is there are more DEs available than LBs or CBs. If they approach the draft based on best available out of those 3 position groups (thats the priority I have for them based on need), I am looking LB 1st, CB 2nd, then maybe Edge but at some point you really should be drafting BPA all the way if possible, they also need a S. Getting into a position to draft for a position need vs BPA is something I don't believe in, but sometimes it has to be done...that's how you end up with a guy like Guyton @ LT.

5 hours ago, Khani1 said:

If you live on the East, which I assume most of you do, be prepared for a big snow storm this weekend.

I have already gassed up the AT-AT.

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He didn't do it alone and if we're being honest about it.. it was really Vic

Huge Vic fan. He also won 0 Super Bowls before last year. It's a team and that involves the coach making the whole thing work between coordinators, players & GM. Because he comes across badly at times I don't think Siri gets enough credit for that. He's as much of a culture setter as Vrabel

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Huge Vic fan. He also won 0 Super Bowls before last year. It's a team and that involves the coach making the whole thing work between coordinators, players & GM. Because he comes across badly at times I don't think Siri gets enough credit for that. He's as much of a culture setter as Vrabel

I didn't watch enough Pats games this season or Titans games to have an opinion on Vrabel. I'm also just not a fan of CEO HCs

Does Vrabel get into it with players on the sidelines or act like a child?

34 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Dont agree with their OL either way. Thin OT class, good IOL class

This details his analysis criteria: https://github.com/benjackson-data/NFL-Draft-Class-Analysis It is just measuring consensus board for this year's draft against past year's drafts. So it is really just a matter of how many first round picks at position x vs. position y. I think that's an incomplete and flawed analysis. It's data but I am not sure it's that valuable.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Huge Vic fan. He also won 0 Super Bowls before last year. It's a team and that involves the coach making the whole thing work between coordinators, players & GM. Because he comes across badly at times I don't think Siri gets enough credit for that. He's as much of a culture setter as Vrabel

He doesn't get enough credit. The players love him, and he insulates them as best he can from the ludicrous standards that this town imposes on them.

I think Lurie and Howie enjoy working with him, and they all work well together. All the rest of the noise from the outside is just that, noise. It is just like the garbage that is spoken about Hurts. I know he is not the traditional QB, but all he does is win. At the end of the day, isn't that all that matters?

It takes time for people to build up enough goodwill from a fanbase. It was not that long ago that everyone was ready to run Howie out of town because of his draft-day decisions. He was the most vilified man in this town. Now he is the most beloved. The same thing can happen with Nick and Hurts if they make it that long.

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

He doesn't get enough credit. The players love him, and he insulates them as best he can from the ludicrous standards that this town imposes on them.

I think Lurie and Howie enjoy working with him, and they all work well together. All the rest of the noise from the outside is just that, noise. It is just like the garbage that is spoken about Hurts. I know he is not the traditional QB, but all he does is win. At the end of the day, isn't that all that matters?

It takes time for people to build up enough goodwill from a fanbase. It was not that long ago that everyone was ready to run Howie out of town because of his draft-day decisions. He was the most vilified man in this town. Now he is the most beloved. The same thing can happen with Nick and Hurts if they make it that long.

Effing Reagor man…

6 hours ago, greend said:

I understand that athletes like to rely on that while in college. Some even rely on that in the NFL and are somewhat successful with it. That's what coaches get paid for though. Get the right guy and develop him.

This has become increasingly harder with the lack of development in college and kids bouncing around everywhere year to year. QB isn’t really a development position IMO. Ya you can stash a 3rd string and ‘develop’ him…but it’s more of a what have you done for me lately. Refining is more what you’re looking for these days, and it’s even more hit or miss than previously IMO. Look at the Packers…home run with the Rodger’s pick, then huge swing and a miss with Love.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

College players should be able to transfer as much as they want. Why do we yearn for days when you would have 2 or 3 schools that had all of the athletes. Why not let students, who have talent, leave a program for a better opportunity.

I have NIL contracts. I agree they need governance in terms of what the schools require of the students. Many of them include provisions which are likely not enforceable and drafted in favor of the schools.

I believe in leaving for playing time and opportunity if you are sitting 2nd/3rd on the depth chart and have real talent/potential, but not every year. Allowing players to transfer every year of their college career will actually make it easier for the top programs, they will continue winning all the titles (just like in the past) because they will have the most money to buy the best athletes/performers. The deepest pockets are the schools that have been winning for decades already, how do you think they have been winning? They are basically buying athletes that another programs and coaches develop. There will be no development or team building. It is team buying.

If that is the case I would sit back, recruit 4 and 5 star players, scout other teams top players, buy their best players (4 and 5 stars) each year, based on position need, and not worry about developing anything but my 4 and 5 star players (natural talent already mostly developed). Reload every year as positions need replinishing, just like the NFL.

At the end of the day the money wins out, not the opportunity to transfer for playing time. Little Mendoza went to the portal today because IU signed Hoover from TCU already and he knew he could get paid on name alone, it's not about winning titles, playing time, or developing anymore, it's about money, period.

I am sick of the Beck's, the Pavia's, the 31 ys olds, etc. staying in school, transferring, and getting paid and taking playing time away from young student athletes who are working on their degrees. The NCAA really is to blame for this entire mess.

Where is vikas??!!

Break down those charts for us. Please. 🤓

5 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I'll be 100% honest. I'd be more worried that McDaniel doesn't do well because the team struggles with the change in year 1 then that he does so great that he walks into another job. The fan base has gotten very spoiled with winning that it seems more worried about how we win and what happens after win then it does about actually winning.

Double edged sword here…the writing was on the wall all season this year. Much like 23, fortunately or unfortunately there was only a mini 3 game collapse. Even last season, though we won a SB the early season success wasn’t sustainable. We don’t necessarily need to dominate and win by 2+ TD’s every game, but somewhat consistent play would be great. That’s something we haven’t really seen in Siri’s 5 years. Winning is great and all, the SB really put a shiny coat of gloss on things…but if the baby is ugly, the baby is ugly.

22 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

He doesn't get enough credit. The players love him, and he insulates them as best he can from the ludicrous standards that this town imposes on them.

I think Lurie and Howie enjoy working with him, and they all work well together. All the rest of the noise from the outside is just that, noise. It is just like the garbage that is spoken about Hurts. I know he is not the traditional QB, but all he does is win. At the end of the day, isn't that all that matters?

It takes time for people to build up enough goodwill from a fanbase. It was not that long ago that everyone was ready to run Howie out of town because of his draft-day decisions. He was the most vilified man in this town. Now he is the most beloved. The same thing can happen with Nick and Hurts if they make it that long.

I don't know about that lol

11 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

QB isn’t really a development position IMO.

Sure it is, most kids coming up now days have been with a position coach since they were 10-12 years old, or at a minimum going to camps since that age for position specific work. That's how athletes that didn't make it make a living, selling their dream to kids and their parents, see a lot of it, especially in baseball.

Hopefully they interview McDaniel and Kingsbury some time this week.

10 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Sure it is, most kids coming up now days have been with a position coach since they were 10-12 years old, or at a minimum going to camps since that age for position psecific work. That's how athletes that didn't make it make a living, selling their dream to kids and their parents, see a lot of it, especially in baseball.