36 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

He doesn't get enough credit. The players love him, and he insulates them as best he can from the ludicrous standards that this town imposes on them.

I think Lurie and Howie enjoy working with him, and they all work well together. All the rest of the noise from the outside is just that, noise. It is just like the garbage that is spoken about Hurts. I know he is not the traditional QB, but all he does is win. At the end of the day, isn't that all that matters?

It takes time for people to build up enough goodwill from a fanbase. It was not that long ago that everyone was ready to run Howie out of town because of his draft-day decisions. He was the most vilified man in this town. Now he is the most beloved. The same thing can happen with Nick and Hurts if they make it that long.

I agree with all of this. But his grubby hands have no business near this offense. And he never should’ve been allowed to push through Patullo to OC. You can say he’s a good fit with this org and acknowledge his personal blind spots (i.e., his friendship with Patullo) and his simple offensive mind were fatal flaws to our repeat chances.

1 hour ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

The guy just won the division and 11 wins after a Super Bowl win and people want him gone 🤣🤣

The bar is Super Bowl or bust

This is a pretty myopic take, I think.

Do you think he did a good job this year? I do not.

Do you think Patullo was his choice for OC?

I do.

Do you think promoting Patullo to OC was a good decision?

I do not.

Do you think he did anything to repair the damage done by putting Patullo in a position of incompetence?

I do not.

Did you see indications that he was losing the room?

I did.

He's supposed to be an offensive coach. Did you see any improvement in the offense from the first game to the last?

I did not. Quite the contrary.

Is this enough to fire him? I don't know but I know it's not enough to earn him a vote of confidence.

How bad a job does he have to do to get fired?

Is there someone out there who they believe can do a better job?

I think he's probably 75-25 to be back.

58 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I didn't watch enough Pats games this season or Titans games to have an opinion on Vrabel. I'm also just not a fan of CEO HCs

Does Vrabel get into it with players on the sidelines or act like a child?

That perception is why he isn't given the respect that his record would support because his record is better than almost everyone's.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

College players should be able to transfer as much as they want. Why do we yearn for days when you would have 2 or 3 schools that had all of the athletes. Why not let students, who have talent, leave a program for a better opportunity.

I have NIL contracts. I agree they need governance in terms of what the schools require of the students. Many of them include provisions which are likely not enforceable and drafted in favor of the schools.

On the surface that all sounds great, but at the end of the day they’re basically all still kids. Actions have consequences…i feel bad for all the kids blinded by the ‘greener’ grass that will soon be stranded when the portal closes. Long term it’s going to be detrimental to the sport. I’d also argue that the current system is more predatory now than before NIL/portal.

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

😂 it’s everywhere. Parents will spend gobs of money to see their kids succeed. It’s sickening for a former college ball player to tell parents the things they want to hear to sell an offseason worth of lessons.

"Little Johnnys gonna be an All Star, he’s really got a future”

The reality is Little Johnny is a an average 12 yr old with two left feet. There are outliers but those coaches don’t know how to work in the real world so they make a living as best they know how…

19 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

Sure it is, most kids coming up now days have been with a position coach since they were 10-12 years old, or at a minimum going to camps since that age for position specific work. That's how athletes that didn't make it make a living, selling their dream to kids and their parents, see a lot of it, especially in baseball.

In the NFL I mean. There’s a lack of development problem in college as is. The NFL isn’t where you should be learning your job most of the time. There’s some outliers for sure, but QB is probably the position at the bottom of the list where you can reasonably expect a leash long enough to ‘develop’.

5 minutes ago, just relax said:

This is a pretty myopic take, I think.

Do you think he did a good job this year? I do not.

Do you think Patullo was his choice for OC?

I do.

Do you think promoting Patullo to OC was a good decision?

I do not.

Do you think he did anything to repair the damage done by putting Patullo in a position of incompetence?

I do not.

Did you see indications that he was losing the room?

I did.

He's supposed to be an offensive coach. Did you see any improvement in the offense from the first game to the last?

I did not. Quite the contrary.

Is this enough to fire him? I don't know but I know it's not enough to earn him a vote of confidence.

How bad a job does he have to do to get fired?

Is there someone out there who they believe can do a better job?

I think he's probably 75-25 to be back.

Nice post. Should add that he has not been able to fix the 'problem' in 2 of 3 years. This is why the next OC hire is critical. Find the right franchise guy and Siri may be washing cars eventually.

5 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

😂 it’s everywhere. Parents will spend gobs of money to see their kids succeed. It’s sickening for a former college ball player to tell parents the things they want to hear to sell an offseason worth of lessons.

"Little Johnnys gonna be an All Star, he’s really got a future”

The reality is Little Johnny is a an average 12 yr old with two left feet. There are outliers but those coaches don’t know how to work in the real world so they make a living as best they know how…

True. Have seen parents go to crazy lengths to create a star kid. Like nuts.

6 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

😂 it’s everywhere. Parents will spend gobs of money to see their kids succeed. It’s sickening for a former college ball player to tell parents the things they want to hear to sell an offseason worth of lessons.

"Little Johnnys gonna be an All Star, he’s really got a future”

The reality is Little Johnny is a an average 12 yr old with two left feet. There are outliers but those coaches don’t know how to work in the real world so they make a living as best they know how…

It’s all about money lol. So many so called ‘gurus’/teachers/camps/‘coaches’. I think this is even more ammo for what I’m saying though, these kids have so much more at their disposal growing up and they’re falling even shorter than previously.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

In the NFL I mean.

Yeh I figured, I was being somewhat sarcastic. Kids aren’t given the opportunity to be kids anymore if their parents think they have a future in sports. It’s all about the grind and earning a scholarship. If they took the money spent on chasing that and invested it they could pay for some of the college. If you’re special athletically it’ll come out in the end. Let’em be a kid.

5 minutes ago, Miami said:

True. Have seen parents go to crazy lengths to create a star kid. Like nuts.

Media doesn’t help either…look no further than Lawrence. He had names like Elway, Peyton and Luck coming up when talking about him coming into college. He was great his first year and then if you actually watched he regressed from an accuracy, footwork, mechanics standpoint every year, became increasingly reliant on broken players and his outstanding WR corp to bail him out.

Then the parents…thank goodness he’s basically all but disappeared but that Baby Gronk kid, darn near child abuse what his dad did with him.

Doesn't sound like Eagles

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Doesn't sound like Eagles

Doesn’t even sound like we’re getting an interview. Yikes.

Bo Wulf was saying in a podcast this week that the outside view is that the Eagles organization is a very difficult one to work for. A lot of in house drama and and stress.

Hopefully he already interviewed and they kept it on the hush or it's coming later. If we find out he doesn't and just takes some other job, that would be a colossal embarrassment for the organization given he's reportedly far and away their top target.

If and I stress IF McDaniel won't even come in for an interview that is a brutal look for the Eagles organization.

McDaniel doesn't want us

Just now, T-1000 said:

If and I stress IF McDaniel won't even come in for an interview that is a brutal look for the Eagles organization.

The reality is that if he isn't coming in then the most likely reason is what people don't want to hear. He and Fangio didn't get along and he'd rather be somewhere. Everyone else who is interviewing seems to be fine coming in (Kingsbury is a ghost overall). People will use their own bias to say it's Nick, Hurts or Howie but the only known issue is between Fangio and McDaniel. It's all speculation.

Nightmare scenario could be playing out:

McDaniel has ZERO interest in this job and won't even interview

Daboll gets the Bills head coaching job

Brady gets a head coaching job somewhere

There is no fit with KIngsbury because of Stoutland

The Eagles are left to choose from the likes of Slowik, Weiss, Cooter, Robinson, etc

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The reality is that if he isn't coming in then the most likely reason is what people don't want to hear. He and Fangio didn't get along and he'd rather be somewhere. Everyone else who is interviewing seems to be fine coming in (Kingsbury is a ghost overall). People will use their own bias to say it's Nick, Hurts or Howie but the only known issue is between Fangio and McDaniel. It's all speculation.

Maybe, or maybe he just doesn't think the job is all that desirable or a good fit for him for any number of reasons.

45 minutes ago, just relax said:

This is a pretty myopic take, I think.

Do you think he did a good job this year? I do not.

Do you think Patullo was his choice for OC?

I do.

Do you think promoting Patullo to OC was a good decision?

I do not.

Do you think he did anything to repair the damage done by putting Patullo in a position of incompetence?

I do not.

Did you see indications that he was losing the room?

I did.

He's supposed to be an offensive coach. Did you see any improvement in the offense from the first game to the last?

I did not. Quite the contrary.

Is this enough to fire him? I don't know but I know it's not enough to earn him a vote of confidence.

How bad a job does he have to do to get fired?

Is there someone out there who they believe can do a better job?

I think he's probably 75-25 to be back.

I agree with everything you posted ... but the Eagles can't fire him. Not one year removed from winning a Super Bowl and just finishing a division winning season. The message would be "it doesn't matter how well the team performs in Philly, your job is never safe." Good luck bringing in a quality coach with that narrative. The only play here is hire an OC with complete autonomy.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The reality is that if he isn't coming in then the most likely reason is what people don't want to hear. He and Fangio didn't get along and he'd rather be somewhere. Everyone else who is interviewing seems to be fine coming in (Kingsbury is a ghost overall). People will use their own bias to say it's Nick, Hurts or Howie but the only known issue is between Fangio and McDaniel. It's all speculation.

The only reasons I can think of are he wants full control and Nick is still in control, he doesn't like Vic (even though neither would be the others boss), and/or he's not interested in coaching Hurts. I doubt it's a weather issue considering the teams he's interviewing with

25 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Doesn't sound like Eagles

Maybe the birds simply aren’t interested in him. We may want him but that doesn’t necessarily mean Howie and company think he’s a good fit here. Unless they’ve interviewed him and kept it hush

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The only reasons I can think of are he wants full control and Nick is still in control, he doesn't like Vic (even though neither would be the others boss), and/or he's not interested in coaching Hurts. I doubt it's a weather issue considering the teams he's interviewing with

I doubt Daboll would be interviewing if full control weren't on table. But it's all speculation. We know the media just runs with narratives and they are only right as much as a broken clock.