7 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Do a good job. Land a HC gig. Never have to pay for a meal or drink in Philly again. For as tough of a fanbase group that we are, we are equally loyal and courteous to the ones we respect

It's not about doing a good or bad job. You pretty much have to do an excellent job because fans actively look for reasons to dislike you. I strongly agree with this, not everyone wants this kind of pressure. Worse, they're bringing their kids and stuff and some of them consider that a risk when it comes to such a rabid fanbase. It's stressful.

Eagles fans will say 'that's just how we are', and that's fine, but not everyone wants that for only slightly more pay vs other jobs.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No back room tuggies?

Now that he 100 percent not coming here I can be honest and admit that our personnel didn’t really for McDaniel, including Hurts.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's a debate. Now am I supposed to defend Hurts or Herbert?

Herbert was always the better quarterback.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

No back room tuggies?

That’s if they beat the backup stidham. Then he gets 2 happy endings

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I guess we know where Mike Mcdaniel lands in the Herbert vs. Hurts debate.

The city with warm weather and legal recreational weed.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is all terrible. Don't you guys have enough money already?

Could you imagine if we lost out on both top OCs to the Chargers and Titans. Would not look great. Hope it would be humbling for Lurie and Howie.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Herbert was always the better quarterback.

Shhh.. You'll trigger them

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

This is all terrible. Don't you guys have enough money already?

Bette get ready cause i think in the next 10 years they are also going to change division winners being guaranteed a home game.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Now that he 100 percent not coming here I can be honest and admit that our personnel didn’t really for McDaniel, including Hurts.

I’ve been saying it all along. But it would be an interesting test for all involved. If Hurts took off in the offense, it would suggest a Sirianni problem. If not, it suggests the opposite.

That's why I wanted the hire. So the front office can have their answer on whether or not he can run any kind of offense. If so, you can move on from him in 2027. Frankly, if he's a guy who can only succeed with one very specific system then he's not worth his contract and they should move on.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Herbert was always the better quarterback.

Damn you for putting me in this position.

Justin Herbert, IMO, plays the QB position at a higher level. Had he and Hurts been drafted into opposite situations, I'm fairly confident Hurts would be a backup somewhere and Herbert would have had more success. But that is my baseless, gut-based speculation and it never happened.

Hurts has been to 2 SB's, won more playoff games than I can count...and Herbert has never won a playoff game. If both of them retired today, Herbert has played the position at a higher level and Hurts has had the better career. And if Hurts has had the better career, I don't think it's fair to say it's not a debate.

Now...is it telling that the prime OC candidate chose to hitch their wagon to Herbert over Hurts? Absolutely. But Herbert isn't just purely objectively superior to Hurts.

Missing out on McDaniel isn’t a disaster IMO, but the fact that we apparently didn’t even get an interview is troubling.

Monken apparently doesn’t see lm at all interested despite interviewing for the OC job in Tampa. That’s also a disaster IMO

53 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think there is some reality behind what everyone is speculating.

I absolutely am buying into the narrative that this is not an attractive OC job and that they will have trouble filling it with someone that has options. While my bias would like to just make this all about Hurts, it's not. (but it's also not NOT about Hurts either).

As grateful as we should all be to Lurie and Howie for 2 Lombardy trophies, I do think word is out around the NFL that they are not easy to work for. Some owners wear their over/micromanagement of football operations on their sleeve (we know who they are). Others are pathologically withdrawn. Lurie is VERY involved with the football operations of this team. I give him tons of credit for turning this franchise around. But he prefers to orchestrate a lot of his football involvement from the shadows, away from the microscope of accountability. Howie, still holding the title belt of "best GM in the NFL," gets very involved in the coaching staff and who knows how involved in the day-to-day nuts and bolts of the team. Given his lack of playing background, that probably rubs some coaches the wrong way. Last and potentially least, Siri is a goofball with a clumsy fit into this whole puzzle. Together, this leadership team has demonstrated a quick trigger to scapegoat and execute coordinators as well as an interest in pulling the strings of the coaches beneath them. That means they could get fired in TWO ways...one by getting singularly scapegoated as the lowest pay-grade on a dysfunctional totem pole. Two, by getting swept up in a total regime change after Siri gets fired.

Lastly, the personnel. The entire foundation upon which this whole thing has to work. You have a QB that doesn't pass well and isn't as dynamic as he used to be. WR1 has 1 foot out the door. The OL is eroding. And the MVP back fell off badly. And if they can't resurrect this exact personnel to 2022 or 2024 status, for the reasons mentioned above, they are getting fired.

This is a BAD job. They probably will be limited to someone who will just take any OC job, not someone with options.

If the report is true about Howie and Siri not wanting to criticize Hurts, then coaches are going to see that as a difficult scenario where said QB gets you fired. Like people wanted Patullo fired. Like people want Siri fired. Like people were down on Kellen Moore early in that season too. Like Brian Johnson got fired. Etc.

Its as simple as that.

Sign up to have this anchor of a QB chained to your ankle. Drag him to a super bowl and get a HC gig. But if you dont.... if you dont you wont be getting a HC job, and you wont even be a serious candidate for OC anywhere else either.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I’ve been saying all along. But it would be an interesting test for all involved. If Hurts took off in the offense, it would suggest a Sirianni problem. If not, it suggests the opposite.

Not really. That's like saying you have a coach problem vs a QB problem because X QB worked with Kyle, McVay, or Reid. McDaniel isn't as good at holding an organization together, but schematically he projects to be pretty darn good.

I'd say that for sure if he couldn't handle under McDaniel, then he's probably cooked. But if he did good, we could at least say 'well with optimal coaching', and the keyword being optimal, he's usable. But if that's the case, then was Kellen Moore suboptimal...? It makes you think...

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Damn you for putting me in this position.

Justin Herbert, IMO, plays the QB position at a higher level. Had he and Hurts been drafted into opposite situations, I'm fairly confident Hurts would be a backup somewhere and Herbert would have had more success. But that is my baseless, gut-based speculation and it never happened.

Hurts has been to 2 SB's, won more playoff games than I can count...and Herbert has never won a playoff game. If both of them retired today, Herbert has played the position at a higher level and Hurts has had the better career. And if Hurts has had the better career, I don't think it's fair to say it's not a debate.

Now...is it telling that the prime OC candidate chose to hitch their wagon to Herbert over Hurts? Absolutely. But Herbert isn't just purely objectively superior to Hurts.

Herbert never had our roster. The Eagles would have traded Hurts for Herbert at any point if given truth serum.

I doubt it was Hurts. My guess is that Nick is still in control and McDaniel wants full control. I also doubt it was Vic

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Screw you Bob.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Missing out on McDaniel isn’t a disaster IMO, but the fact that we apparently didn’t even get an interview is troubling.

Monken apparently doesn’t see lm at all interested despite interviewing for the OC job in Tampa. That’s also a disaster IMO

Coaching fits are almost impossible to predict. Good coaches fail for unpredictable reasons in places that just don't fit. Unknowns and unpopular hires become HOF coaches. HOF coaches torpedo teams in 2nd or 3rd jobs.

They could hire the defensive backs coach from SF to be the OC and I wouldn't call it a disaster until at least week 1.

The speculation and concern, to me, is simply the reflection on personnel and FO leadership dynamic if they cannot get someone who has options.

27 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

McDaniel to Chargers. That’s why he didn’t come. Picked them over Bucs too.

Eagles better figure this out

Id go hard after Daboll now. Thats the next top option in a tier of his own at this point.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Missing out on McDaniel isn’t a disaster IMO, but the fact that we apparently didn’t even get an interview is troubling.

Monken apparently doesn’t see lm at all interested despite interviewing for the OC job in Tampa. That’s also a disaster IMO

I dunno. The Eagles LOVE Vic. I'd imagine they had a long discussion with him to ask about a culture fit etc. McDaniel is not just a plug and play personality, especially when pairing him with Sirianni. Sirianni is an enormous Dbag. McDaniel is too in a different way. I don't think that coaches room would have meshed at all.

Now, Bobby Slowick is someone I hope doesn't follow McDaniel to LA.

4 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Not really. That's like saying you have a coach problem vs a QB problem because X QB worked with Kyle, McVay, or Reid. McDaniel isn't as good at holding an organization together, but schematically he projects to be pretty darn good.

I'd say that for sure if he couldn't handle under McDaniel, then he's probably cooked. But if he did good, we could at least say 'well with optimal coaching', and the keyword being optimal, he's usable. But if that's the case, then was Kellen Moore suboptimal...? It makes you think...

I’m not saying it suggests Sirianni is a bad HC. It would suggest he’s a bad offensive coach and needs to be strictly a CEO coach. 

It doesn't seem like the Eagles were even interested in Monken. No one linked them to him as any of the guys. Maybe they think he's going to the Giants, but figured they'd have least interviewed him if they're doing the wide net approach.

12 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's not about doing a good or bad job. You pretty much have to do an excellent job because fans actively look for reasons to dislike you. I strongly agree with this, not everyone wants this kind of pressure. Worse, they're bringing their kids and stuff and some of them consider that a risk when it comes to such a rabid fanbase. It's stressful.

Eagles fans will say 'that's just how we are', and that's fine, but not everyone wants that for only slightly more pay vs other jobs.

I disagree. Everyone in the nfl has thick skin. Or in pro sports for that matter. I haven’t heard one player or coach say they hated playing/coaching in Philly. Unless you have? Enjoy the passion. We could be a team like the jags where their fans don’t care