Gimme Weiss Jr with Chambliss.

I saw that guy that’s on Phly sometimes tweet he didn’t want the eagles to settle for a retread but a retread is exactly who Reich, Strichen and Moore were

3 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Gimme Weiss Jr with Chambliss.

I actually think if they don’t get one of their top options, they should go with Weiss jr.

Reading more on Grizzard. Coen brought him to Tampa as his pass game coordinator. He was in charge of third downs, where the Bucs were best in the league. He also worked for McDaniel. Again, I wouldn’t want him to be OC, but him as the pass game coordinator would be intriguing.

Still curious what the deal is with Kingsbury. On paper he is best fit with Hurts but I think his personality must have red flagged him

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Still curious what the deal is with Kingsbury. On paper he is best fit with Hurts but I think his personality must have red flagged him

Possible. However, was discussed on the Philly special podcast that Kingsbury doesn’t necessarily want to keep Jeff Stoutland. I can’t imagine the Eagles wanna get rid of Jeff Stoutland. I think that can be a bigger hangup than anything with Kingsbury and coming here.

Want to see if they interview Brady because I think he has a higher chance at a head coaching job than the other OC guys.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Possible. However, was discussed on the Philly special podcast that Kingsbury doesn’t necessarily want to keep Jeff Stoutland. I can’t imagine the Eagles wanna get rid of Jeff Stoutland. I think that can be a bigger hangup than anything with Kingsbury and coming here.

He hasn’t really interviewed anywhere recently and I don’t think he’s getting a HC job. When all this started I thought he’d be the guy since he was almost their choice last time.

Now I think they’d like it to be Brady but there are still HC jobs out there. I don’t think he’ll get Baltimore but Cleveland and Arizona are wildcards because those are bad jobs and they’ll be desperate

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

He hasn’t really interviewed anywhere recently and I don’t think he’s getting a HC job. When all this started I thought he’d be the guy since he was almost their choice last time.

Now I think they’d like it to be Brady but there are still HC jobs out there. I don’t think he’ll get Baltimore but Cleveland and Arizona are wildcards because those are bad jobs and they’ll be desperate

I think around the league the hang up might be why did the commanders let him go. considering analytically that offense was pretty decently good considering all the injuries they had at quarterback this year. I think with the Eagles they didn’t hire them last time due to him wanting to bring in his own guys and not have stoutland. I think the Stoutland thing is legitimate for the eagles. I do wonder if he doesn’t get a position he wants if he would change his mind about keeping Jeff Stoutland on his staff. Because the eagle might wind up being the best OC job out of all the ones he could get.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think around the league the hang up might be why did the commanders let him go. considering analytically that offense was pretty decently good considering all the injuries they had at quarterback this year. I think with the Eagles they didn’t hire them last time due to him wanting to bring in his own guys and not have stoutland. I think the Stoutland thing is legitimate for the eagles. I do wonder if he doesn’t get a position he wants if he would change his mind about keeping Jeff Stoutland on his staff. Because the eagle might wind up being the best OC job out of all the ones he could get.

I think he’s probably a d-bag who teams worry would wear out his welcome. On the outside, that doesn’t bother me at all since we’re pretty much on a 1-2 year window with any OC we hire. But I don’t have to work with him.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Daboll would be fine. He’ll fit in great with his absurdly high second down run rate.

Brady probably gets a HC job, but I kinda like the ball control offense he ran with limited passing game weapons.

Robinson would be disappointing.

Weis would be… who the hell knows?

Cooter seems like a knockoff Steichen. Could work out. Could be awful.

Who else has interviewed?

I like Robinson more than most in here.

Brady is my top choice, followed by Weiss Jnr, then Kliff

4 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Daboll is a Hurts guy. That was always the probable hire

You mean the Daboll who benched him?

3 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I can understand wanting to know more about what caused what, but last I checked Sirianni's influence was lessened during 2024, or what people have said, and in 2023, I've said it several times, but the offense was not the problem by any means. They were 6th ranked, but Hurts threw like 15 picks, and they had the 30th ranked defense, which limited what the offense could achieve in results. The defensive roster was also a mess, we had Nicholas Morrow at linebacker, etc.

I think 2025 is the biggest thing to question. I still haven't figured out why people look back to 2023 and primarily get mad about Brian Johnson rather than the defense...though that's off topic.

I get why you want to figure out what's causing what, yeah. But I'm in favor of taking a real deep dive into it, rather than a surface level test. Unfortunately, this would provide no clarity to the fans, but I don't really mind that as long as they fix whatever is wrong.

You know how you can tell Brian Johnson was a huge problem that season? How many OC positions has he had since then? How many interviews? The guy only got the job cause he was Hurts buddy, he was absolute garbage. That's why you can't just blindly point at stats

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think around the league the hang up might be why did the commanders let him go. considering analytically that offense was pretty decently good considering all the injuries they had at quarterback this year.

Dan Quinn was the guy that should have been fired. I'm guessing he threw his coordinators under the bus to buy another year. It was his decision to pad his young QB's stats in a blowout loss against an opponent's backups, costing them their leader and it was his decision to rush him back only to reaggravate the injury. He's a moron. His handprints were all over that horrible defense as well.

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I saw that guy that’s on Phly sometimes tweet he didn’t want the eagles to settle for a retread but a retread is exactly who Reich, Strichen and Moore were

People who say they don't want retreads are stupid. 80% of available coaches in a given coaching cycle are retreads, that's how this league works. You get hired as an OC, doesnt work out, get fired, get another OC gig, maybe it works, you get a HC gig, doesn't work, back to OC, maybe you're good after all, another HC gig, etc etc. The same thing happens for dudes coming up from college

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

True. Hurts had a great team and supporting cast to help the team win it and Herbert has had crap around him in comparison

Yeah, SB teams rarely have great talent. It's ridiculous to think SB winning teams have good to great players on offense and defense. Only teams with crap talent win SBs. Funny how that works.

3 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Hard to blame him for wanting to coach a QB with zero playoff wins in six seasons over a SB MVP.

He got that award and played well but the defense and Howie won that game. If JH had that GM and the talent that Jalen has along with a generational defense we saw in the SB he would have a ring as well.

Hurts takes too long to make decisions and doesn't often have anticipation. McD chose a good passing QB and we can be homers and say we'd pick Hurts over JH but 99% of the league wouldn't for a reason. If there was a draft with just those two not one GM would pick Hurts over him including Howie.

We are lucky to have him over CJ and others, but he isn't a good passing QB and he isn't using his legs as much.

Have an amazing mock draft that I can't post here. Because of the update. And not knowing how to resize screenshots on my phone. Howie, I'm sorry.

18 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

If Daboll benched Hurts at Alabama maybe there's a rhyme to their reason for hiring him.

Daboll comes to Philly, benches Hurts again. Offense takes off. Looks amazing. No more people calling for Siri's job. Helps Patullo too.

To sum up your theory, you're saying Howie and Siri know that Hurts is limiting the offense, but they still handed him that $255million 5 year extension so now they've had to bring in Hurts arch enemy OC so that he can take the benching decision out of their hands?

20 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

To sum up your theory, you're saying Howie and Siri know that Hurts is limiting the offense, but they still handed him that $255million 5 year extension so now they've had to bring in Hurts arch enemy OC so that he can take the benching decision out of their hands?

No I didn't reshuffle the timeline. That was you.

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Damn you for putting me in this position.

Justin Herbert, IMO, plays the QB position at a higher level. Had he and Hurts been drafted into opposite situations, I'm fairly confident Hurts would be a backup somewhere and Herbert would have had more success. But that is my baseless, gut-based speculation and it never happened.

Hurts has been to 2 SB's, [b]won more playoff games than I can count...[/b]and Herbert has never won a playoff game. If both of them retired today, Herbert has played the position at a higher level and Hurts has had the better career. And if Hurts has had the better career, I don't think it's fair to say it's not a debate.

Now...is it telling that the prime OC candidate chose to hitch their wagon to Herbert over Hurts? Absolutely. But Herbert isn't just purely objectively superior to Hurts.

You can’t count to 6?

4 hours ago, devpool said:

You know how you can tell Brian Johnson was a huge problem that season? How many OC positions has he had since then? How many interviews? The guy only got the job cause he was Hurts buddy, he was absolute garbage. That's why you can't just blindly point at stats

I don't really agree with this as a sole evaluator, but I can understand where you're coming from. I think there's alternative things though, like people maybe just feeling like there's other options considering there's factories for these things behind highly talented people that the league admires and emulates, like McVay and Shanahan. Being successful in our environment makes people pretty confident you can handle a head coaching job, but I think that's multi-faceted:

• Handling the environment: Frankly if you can handle Philly fans, you can handle anything football wise.

• Handling the pressure of the environment: See above, but for expectations.

• Handling QBs that may need special care: This one is pretty obvious.

• Handling GMs with a lot of power: Howie Roseman is where the buck ultimately stops.

I don't think he was nearly as bad as people criticize him for though. He was absolutely not the worst unit that year, and it wasn't even close. The only reason there could be a collapse was because there was a good start, and that start came primarily thanks to the offense compensating for the flaws of the defense. He was mid with an Achilles heel that he couldn't fix down the stretch, but that can be accurately classified as 'first year coordinator pains'. Unfortunately, Philly has no patience for that right now, because they feel like if we're not a dynasty, our coaching staff sucks...

4 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

He got that award and played well but the defense and Howie won that game. If JH had that GM and the talent that Jalen has along with a generational defense we saw in the SB he would have a ring as well.

Hurts takes too long to make decisions and doesn't often have anticipation. McD chose a good passing QB and we can be homers and say we'd pick Hurts over JH but 99% of the league wouldn't for a reason. If there was a draft with just those two not one GM would pick Hurts over him including Howie.

We are lucky to have him over CJ and others, but he isn't a good passing QB and he isn't using his legs as much.

I've been saying this for a while, people wave around the SB MVP thing like it's some great award, but it's literally accurate to say 'if the QB has a decent performance, and no one else has an outstanding individual performance, this award usually goes to the QB'.

If it was 2022 and we won the SB, then fine, I'd think it's respectable, but now it's just used to try to give Hurts an extra accolade. Dan Marino has 0 Super Bowl MVPs, does that mean he was a worse QB than Jalen? Mahomes has 3 Super Bowl MVPs, does that mean Hurts should never be mentioned in the same breath as him? It just is an incredibly overrated award, nothing on the level of league MVP. SOMEONE has to get Super Bowl MVP when you win the Super Bowl, and you can't give it to the entire defense.

And it's like I said, I've been telling people that timing and anticipation matter, and I get brushed off a lot, I've told people it's my only real problem with Jalen as a QB. He just does not do it, and because of that, he doesn't allow schemes to help him as much as other QBs that can follow blueprints.

Maybe they're being too soft on him top down? I dunno, but if they are, they need to stop.