17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I trust howie to make the AJ Brown trade. I don’t necessarily trust howie to get a wide receiver if he drafts one. Again, how he has done a lot of things well since he’s come back. Besides drafting Smith, his wide receiver evaluations have not been very good. That is a very big concern for me. AJ Brown’s don’t grow on trees. And we haven’t exactly been hitting on our evaluations for wide receivers besides Smith. I also don’t trust moorehead to do his job because frankly, I don’t think he’s done a very good job with talent he’s been given to develop. It feels like besides Smith and brown each player gets worse overtime rather than improving over time

We agree on the WR pick. That's why I think he'll make a trade, but we'll see.

On defense are you keeping Blank?

Who are you extending this year? Carter? Davis? Smith?

I'm not extending anyone outside of Carter if I'm Howie. Davis played well, but was that for a contract and will he slack off again? Let him and Ojomo play it out to see who gets resigned.

Smith hasn't earned it. I'm not even sure I'd extend Carter until I see how he plays this year. Roll the money over and if you have to pay a bit more do it vs another Cam situation a year later.

11 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Kempski spelled this whole deal out today. Eagles are not gonna hold someone hostage on peeps who are unhappy. Traded Wentz. Traded Ertz. Traded Reddick. Traded Huff. When someone is this unhappy, Howie always finds his way around these dilemmas, and kills it better than anyone. So I'm not too worried here.

Here it is.

Brown is scheduled to count for $23,393,497 on the Eagles' cap this season.

• If he is traded this offseason before June 1, Brown would instead count for $43,515,106 on the Eagles' cap in "dead money." The dead cap charge would still be $43,515,106 if he's traded after June 1, but $27,161,609 of it would count toward the 2027 cap.

• There would be major savings in 2027, 2028, and 2029, when he is scheduled to count for $133,121,609 on the cap during those three seasons combined. That's over $44 million per season. That's all gone if they were to trade him now. 

• The Eagles would also save $113 million in cash payouts to Brown if he had otherwise played out his contract in full, including $29 million in 2026. That is money that can go toward signing young star defensive players like Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Jalyx Hunt, Nolan Smith, etc.

Who replaces him next year?

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That's exactly right which is what people overlook with 'dead cap'. Howie looks at it in 3 year windows. If they trade they are saving his salary this year which is less money over 3 years no matter what. Prior to June 1st it moves all the hit to this year which means he'd have to rework other people's contracts and he's done that a lot already so it's tricky. After June 1st it's easy really but that would only get you 2027 picks. That could be ok but you'd be hurting this year

Yes. This has to be a post June 1st deal. I can see a player for player deal and maybe a 2027 pick. (maybe another WR and a pick for him). For fun, how about Shakir and a 3rd from Buffalo? I am sure we can get someone solid for him that can help 2026 roster out. No problem adding to 2027 draft stash.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Who replaces him next year?

Don't know. But could be in the trade compensation you receive back for AJ. Or the draft....

Just now, jojodancer said:

Don't know. But could be in the trade compensation you receive back for AJ. Or the draft....

Well, is the offense better without having two of the best WRs in the game for one more year?

27 million in cap space being used next year is a lot of money to waste that could be used to extend people or sign someone

I get the concerns, but I don't think Brown is a bad guy. If you watch the video they put out a few weeks back he's actually a likeable guy. Would I keep him long-term? No. Would I keep him one more year? Absolutely, because I'm old enough to remember not having one top WR let alone two. We are spoiled right now and life without him isn't going to be ideal. If they could sign Pickens and trade Brown? Sure. Outside of that impossible situation I'll take him for one more year. If he's that big of an issue they can trade him during the season. Let the new OC work with him.

To be fair most of the stuff he was pissed about was stuff we were pissed about as well this year.

4 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Mentioned Nagy earlier. I don’t love him but he’s not that different than Daboll really

Nagy somehow figured out how to destroy Patrick Mahomes.

Mahomes was the GoaT QB up to age 27 and ruined him. Mahomes has been around league average the last 3 years by most metrics.

Nagy took over the 1 1 offense

15 9

15 16

21 20

With Mahomes

He is better than Patullo because so is a dog with buttons. He is still incredibly and historically awful.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

We agree on the WR pick. That's why I think he'll make a trade, but we'll see.

On defense are you keeping Blank?

Who are you extending this year? Carter? Davis? Smith?

I'm not extending anyone outside of Carter if I'm Howie. Davis played well, but was that for a contract and will he slack off again? Let him and Ojomo play it out to see who gets resigned.

Smith hasn't earned it. I'm not even sure I'd extend Carter until I see how he plays this year. Roll the money over and if you have to pay a bit more do it vs another Cam situation a year later.

I’m curious who’s out there to trade for at WR. Have waddle but he isn’t exactly super durable and costing you a 1st. I thought brown was worth that price. Not sure waddle is. I think brown was a truly top tier wr.

I think there’s a better chance Blankenship is gone. I think they just view him as a solid starter and good leader. But likely could replace him production. I view him as a better version of how they viewed Marcus Epps. I kind of think if they spend at safety it’s to upgrade over him or spend a draft pick (scary cause they’ve been hit or miss drafting safety— Mukuba looks good but brown is terrible. Granted Fangio wasn’t here when we drafted brown)

Imo chance davis gets extended before Carter. Love Carter but he still has next year and his 5th year option. Davis is on the 5th year and can save some money structuring his extension given the 5th year option.

Imo can’t extend smith. He was great down the stretch in 2024 but was ok this year. I think his fate also relies on what they do with Phillips. If they extend Phillips i think smith is likely just playing out his contract and dealt before his 5th year option kicks and extending hunt. If Phillips walks i think you are likely extending smith and hunt.

Like Ojomo but i think they eagles let him walk when his deal is up cause his value will be too high. I don’t think Milton Williams type deal but could see him getting to FA and being overpaid.

8 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Don't know. But could be in the trade compensation you receive back for AJ. Or the draft....

I mentioned earlier today if I’m dealing him this offseason then i look to Buffalo. They need a wr badly. Allen isn’t getting any younger and after that shitshow today they need something big to correct their wr corps especially going into the new stadium.

I’d take their late 2nd rounder and ask for Kincaid. Kincaid is the last year of his deal with a club option in 2027. He’s not been the most durable and i think with Knox there they wouldn’t completely rule out dealing him.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m curious who’s out there to trade for at WR. Have waddle but he isn’t exactly super durable and costing you a 1st. I thought brown was worth that price. Not sure waddle is. I think brown was a truly top tier wr.

I think there’s a better chance Blankenship is gone. I think they just view him as a solid starter and good leader. But likely could replace him production. I view him as a better version of how they viewed Marcus Epps. I kind of think if they spend at safety it’s to upgrade over him or spend a draft pick (scary cause they’ve been hit or miss drafting safety— Mukuba looks good but brown is terrible. Granted Fangio wasn’t here when we drafted brown)

Imo chance davis gets extended before Carter. Love Carter but he still has next year and his 5th year option. Davis is on the 5th year and can save some money structuring his extension given the 5th year option.

Imo can’t extend smith. He was great down the stretch in 2024 but was ok this year. I think his fate also relies on what they do with Phillips. If they extend Phillips i think smith is likely just playing out his contract and dealt before his 5th year option kicks and extending hunt. If Phillips walks i think you are likely extending smith and hunt.

Like Ojomo but i think they eagles let him walk when his deal is up cause his value will be too high. I don’t think Milton Williams type deal but could see him getting to FA and being overpaid.

We agree on all fronts there. My only concern with Davis revolves around how motivated he will be if they pay him. Is Ojomo the better option long-term? Cheaper and harder worker?

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, is the offense better without having two of the best WRs in the game for one more year?

27 million in cap space being used next year is a lot of money to waste that could be used to extend people or sign someone

I get the concerns, but I don't think Brown is a bad guy. If you watch the video they put out a few weeks back he's actually a likeable guy. Would I keep him long-term? No. Would I keep him one more year? Absolutely, because I'm old enough to remember not having one top WR let alone two. We are spoiled right now and life without him isn't going to be ideal. If they could sign Pickens and trade Brown? Sure. Outside of that impossible situation I'll take him for one more year. If he's that big of an issue they can trade him during the season. Let the new OC work with him.

To be fair most of the stuff he was pissed about was stuff we were pissed about as well this year.

I think he's a diva. Kinda like TO. And I loved TO. I just don't think he's that great anymore and worth the trouble. Like to elevate Devanta into WR1 and this leaves no doubts that he always touches the ball every game. But really, the guy just doesn't want to be here and that's not gonna work. Whether it's Hurts or his contract situation or both. Just feels like a ticking time bomb scenario. And he just flat out bombed the last time we saw him on a football field. He pulled an Orien Kerkering. Not an easy feat. 😄

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mentioned earlier today if I’m dealing him this offseason then i look to Buffalo. They need a wr badly. Allen isn’t getting any younger and after that shitshow today they need something big to correct their wr corps especially going into the new stadium.

I’d take their late 2nd rounder and ask for Kincaid. Kincaid is the last year of his deal with a club option in 2027. He’s not been the most durable and i think with Knox there they wouldn’t completely rule out dealing him.

But they can't get their late 2nd round pick if they have to trade him post June 1st right?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

We agree on all fronts there. My only concern with Davis revolves around how motivated he will be if they pay him. Is Ojomo the better option long-term? Cheaper and harder worker?

I actually have more concern if they pay Carter how motivated he’s gonna be. I think Davis finally found whatever he needed to get himself in shape. I actually can see Carter getting paid and then just kind of resting on his talent. I’m gonna pay both of them anyways cause i think they are guys fangio wants for this defense. The problem of Ojomo is I think they believe they can replace him kind of like they replaced Milton Williams.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

But they can't get their late 2nd round pick if they have to trade him post June 1st right?

Yeah i think it’s likely it’s a 2027 2nd which imo is a late second. Probably could add conditions on his production.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

I think he's a diva. Kinda like TO. And I loved TO. I just don't think he's that great anymore and worth the trouble. Like to elevate Devanta into WR1 and this leaves no doubts that he always touches the ball every game. But really, the guy just doesn't want to be here and that's not gonna work. Whether it's Hurts or his contract situation or both. Just feels like a ticking time bomb scenario. And he just flat out bombed the last time we saw him on a field. He pulled an Orien Kerkering. Not an easy feat. 😄

I get that, but Smith also has the luxury of teams focusing on Brown. It's ticking for sure, but I'd like to see them squeeze another year out of him. What is the cap hit if they trade him/cut him post June 1 2027?

My hunch is that Reed and Nolan both don't get re-signed. A shame, because I like both players.

I'd rather re-sign JD, JC, and Nakobe.

Keep Epps as a Starting Safety.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah i think it’s likely it’s a 2027 2nd which imo is a late second. Probably could add conditions on his production.

I hate the idea of wasting 27 million in space next year and not having him for the last year of Lane, but that's just me. I also hate the idea of them not having a good #2 to take focus off Smith.

Just now, LacesOut said:

My hunch is that Reed and Nolan both don't get re-signed. A shame, because I like both players.

I'd rather re-sign JD, JC, and Nakobe.

Keep Epps as a Starting Safety.

I don't see any scenario where you can keep Dean after spending a 1st on the kid. Hate to lose him, but why draft the kid and park him?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually have more concern if they pay Carter how motivated he’s gonna be. I think Davis finally found whatever he needed to get himself in shape. I actually can see Carter getting paid and then just kind of resting on his talent. I’m gonna pay both of them anyways cause i think they are guys fangio wants for this defense. The problem of Ojomo is I think they believe they can replace him kind of like they replaced Milton Williams.

Davis was good for a few weeks in the beginning and then disappeared and then showed up again

Carter was reportedly dealing with injuries

I know I'm biased

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I get that, but Smith also has the luxury of teams focusing on Brown. It's ticking for sure, but I'd like to see them squeeze another year out of him. What is the cap hit if they trade him/cut him post June 1 2027?

Dead cap just gets spread out into the new league year. That's the main difference. It's still a 43M dollar hit either way. So better to take that charge over 2 years than 1 year. To squeeze another year. Im thinking that was this year with the squeezing. Squeezing another year is risky business based on what we saw this year.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I hate the idea of wasting 27 million in space next year and not having him for the last year of Lane, but that's just me. I also hate the idea of them not having a good #2 to take focus off Smith.

Oh i don’t disagree. I’ve said i don’t like trading him. Can say the offense sucked with him. However it could look bad with a better play caller by not having ideal talent. That said i think he truly wants out and these leaks this past week were him and his agent. I just think it’s reached the point where they aren’t going to hold him hostage. Add on i think his unhappiness has also boiled over into his on field focus. At least with my trade you correct the TE issue if goedert leaves. Kincaid is 27 and good when healthy.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Davis was good for a few weeks in the beginning and then disappeared and then showed up again

Carter was reportedly dealing with injuries

I know I'm biased

Can make the case Davis was arguably at his best when Carter got hurt. He really began playing well again. Imo it was great to see that cause he’s not just living off of Carter’s ability making his life easier.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh i don’t disagree. I’ve said i don’t like trading him. Can say the offense sucked with him. However it could look bad with a better play caller by not having ideal talent. That said i think he truly wants out and these leaks this past week were him and his agent. I just think it’s reached the point where they aren’t going to hold him hostage. Add on i think his unhappiness has also boiled over into his on field focus. At least with my trade you correct the TE issue if goedert leaves. Kincaid is 27 and good when healthy.

Trading one good but often injured TE for a younger good but often injured TE. Good job security for the rehab staff :) At least that gives the offense another weapon.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually have more concern if they pay Carter how motivated he’s gonna be. I think Davis finally found whatever he needed to get himself in shape. I actually can see Carter getting paid and then just kind of resting on his talent. I’m gonna pay both of them anyways cause i think they are guys fangio wants for this defense. The problem of Ojomo is I think they believe they can replace him kind of like they replaced Milton Williams.

I believe they drafted Ty Robinson thinking in 2027 he could replace Ojomo the way Ojomo replaced Williams. Problem is Robinson played horrible and was deactivated most of the year. He needs to really make a quantum leap next year or he goes the way of Trevor Keegan and Ainias Smith.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't see any scenario where you can keep Dean after spending a 1st on the kid. Hate to lose him, but why draft him and park him?

I have a scenario where they could but i find it super unlikely. Eagles sign Dean to a deal. Then after 2026 with one year left on baun’s deal at 31 they trade him to get draft capital. Then go with Dean and Campbell who are still both young. Saves about 2.1 mil and 9.64 mil dead money in 2027. However find it very very very unlikely.

Just now, Eagles1960 said:

I believe they drafted Ty Robinson thinking in 2027 he could replace Ojomo the way Ojomo replaced Williams. Problem is Robinson played horrible and was deactivated most of the year. He needs to really make a quantum leap next year or he goes the way of Trevor Keegan and Ainias Smith.

Did we notice much from Ojomo his first year?