3 minutes ago, Lambo said:

And yet he won two Super Bowls without Hill

You're right. Lot of things went right there. Having a championship defense and Kelce to carry the load. And stellar coaching all the way around. And of course the league wanting the Chiefs to win. Kinda like the treatment that the Patriots got with Brady. Mahomes was the face of the league and a great follow up act to Brady and he was their meal ticket in a sense.

27 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Why didn't Reid step in and make changes mid year?

😂 they were already out of the race at that point, they did a proper tank job.

I am not going to hold anything against Nagy because of the last couple of years not being great. They won 2 Superbowls with him and went to a third one with him. Chiefs offensive personnel took a large hit last year especially on the OL. And their running game was turrible. Think Mahomes really loved Bieniemy and thus the change. I remember for awhile, Bieniemy was so highly thought of there and was discussed as being Reid's heir apparent. But really if Reid is the final decision maker and pseudo OC then he needs to take the hit more than anyone. If Nagy learned from Reid, I am looking at that.

3 hours ago, justwinbaby said:

So the titans roster is stacked now cool cool

Apparently more stacked on offense than ours.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

If they could sign Pickens and trade Brown? Sure.

So basically trade one moody head case for a complete unadulterated lunatic?

Cool, cool, cool.

We got Doug and Siriani because no one with better options wanted to come coach here. That's a simple fact. The Eagles and their FO were not in a good spot amongst league circles at the time that both of them were hired.

Neither was anything special, but both won superbowls. So in fairness, we've been here before.

That's both a compliment and a criticism of the current situation. Stop beating around the bush...the coaches with options don't want to come here. But again, Lurie and Howie have turned this situation into a Championship twice before.

13 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I am not going to hold anything against Nagy because of the last couple of years not being great. They won 2 Superbowls with him and went to a third one with him. Chiefs offensive personnel took a large hit last year especially on the OL. And their running game was turrible. Think Mahomes really loved Bieniemy and thus the change. I remember for awhile, Bieniemy was so highly thought of there and was discussed as being Reid's heir apparent. But really if Reid is the final decision maker and pseudo OC then he needs to take the hit more than anyone. If Nagy learned from Reid, I am looking at that.

They won 1 Super Bowl with him as OC.

lol sound like beane is either lying through his teeth or a Fing idiot

Titans roster isn’t more stacked. Titans provide full, complete autonomy unless the GM or Owner get involved. They likely offer more job security too.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

They won 1 Super Bowl with him as OC.

You're right. He was QB coach for 1st one.

56 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

You know who brought Mahomes down? Not having Tyreek Hill. Pretty simple. Offense not the same since. WR core had guys like Scantling, Toney, Sky Brown, Schuster getting way too many reps. I mean that kind of crew would bring anyone down. And offensive line slowly deteriorated. Personally, just wasn't great here on offense overall recently. So no offensive coordinator would have brought Mahomes to pre 2022 status. The Chiefs offense was masked considerably by having a Chamionship caliber defense and HOF defensive coordinator in Spags. Kinda envisioned a similar scenario with Fangio and this year's team, but unfortunately this defense ran out of gas and the offense was worse than anticipated. Still stings to not take advantage of a roster that finished last year with a dominating Superbowl looking like a dynasty and then crashing into pieces this year.

I was thinking the biggest reason Mahomes hasn't played as well is the O line. They weren't very good this year and the Eagles feasted on them in the SB last year. Much like the Eagles they haven't been able to run the ball consistently either.

Alot of people including those at ESPN and NFL network were saying once Rashee Rice returned then they would take off. They had Rice, Worthy and Brown to throw to. Thats a very good trio of WRs. Yet still couldn't win games. Also Travis Kelce declining hasn't helped Mahomes either.

47 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

😂 they were already out of the race at that point, they did a proper tank job.

Not mid way thru the year. They still had a shot at the playoffs going into December. They didn't get eliminated till the middle of December.

If Nagy was the one bringing Mahomes down, Reid should have pushed him aside alot earlier and took control of the offense himself.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I was thinking the biggest reason Mahomes hasn't played as well is the O line. They weren't very good this year and the Eagles feasted on them in the SB last year. Much like the Eagles they haven't been able to run the ball consistently either.

Alot of people including those at ESPN and NFL network were saying once Rashee Rice returned then they would take off. They had Rice, Worthy and Brown to throw to. Thats a very good trio of WRs. Yet still couldn't win games. Also Travis Kelce declining hasn't helped Mahomes either.

Hard to say how much they cant run the ball, or how much is Andy Reid probably still not emphasizing it enough.

Youve definitely dramatically overrated WRs Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy though. Thats not a very good trio of WRs.

Just now, 315Eagles said:

I was thinking the biggest reason Mahomes hasn't played as well is the O line. They weren't very good this year and the Eagles feasted on them in the SB last year. Much like the Eagles they haven't been able to run the ball consistently either.

Alot of people including those at ESPN and NFL network were saying once Rashee Rice returned then they would take off. They had Rice, Worthy and Brown to throw to. Thats a very good trio of WRs. Yet still couldn't win games. Also Travis Kelce declining hasn't helped Mahomes either.

Agree with that for last year regarding offensive line. But I was referring to the last few years in general with Mahomes numbers and effectiveness dipping from pre-Tyreek to post Tyreek. Still a pretty good offense without Hill on the whole because of Kelce in his prime still and elite coaching from Reid scheming pretty average wide receivers for the most part (post Tyreek years). But last year, I did think that trio would turns things around. And they did for a few games. Screwed up in playing Brown more than Thornton IMO. But he makes the big bucks so they played him. But no running game and an injured offensive line and a big offseason loss in Thuney did them in. And defense lost guys as well.

This is really weird messaging. You have to imagine a HC offer is a long shot at this point.

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

I believe they drafted Ty Robinson thinking in 2027 he could replace Ojomo the way Ojomo replaced Williams. Problem is Robinson played horrible and was deactivated most of the year. He needs to really make a quantum leap next year or he goes the way of Trevor Keegan and Ainias Smith.

Don't think so. Ojomo was young with lots of upside, Robinson was 24 and more of a finished product who maybe needed a year in the weight room. More of a 3 year depth player, then let him walk at 28.

58 minutes ago, devpool said:

Reid has to be tired of it all. Why even keep going at this point? His team is a mess, his QB just tore his ACL, Andy should just retire. He's got the super bowls, he's an all time winning coach, he's done everything.

He would look weak ( not to myself ) if he retired now with Mahomes out and things not as rosy in KC as they were. He would look like he's abandoning the franchise at a low point.

My guess is he stays till at least Mahomes gets back and see if they can make another SB run. Of course they'll have to make some personnel changes and fix their O-line, much like the Eagles.

https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/49ers-electrical-substation-theory-21307769.php

Apparently the 49ers are "looking into" whether or not a close by electrical substation could have been the reason they have had so many injuries recently

Clownshow

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hard to say how much they cant run the ball, or how much is Andy Reid probably still not emphasizing it enough.

Youve definitely dramatically overrated WRs Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy though. Thats not a very good trio of WRs.

OK maybe good trio of WRs. Certainly good enough for Mahomes to win with.

Point was many were saying they would take off once Rice came back. Wasn't the case.

I think there is too much panic over who the OC will be and the job they will do and not enough over the reflection this is of the offensive personnel.

There is so much vague and subjective dot connecting when it comes to coaching jobs:

1. Calling plays isn’t as black and white fans and media make it out to be. Coaches exhibit variable and unknowable input and influence on OC’s that are listed in press snippets and formally acknowledged as play-callers. And this is almost the most objective component of the whole damn evaluation.

2. Coaching tree/university. AR’s coaching tree, interestingly, has churned out successful defensive/CEO head coaches. Fascinatingly, all of the offensive coaches in the tree of one of the greatest offensive coaches in modern NFL history have FAILED to even be viable OC’s elsewhere. Sean Mcvay, the current offensive genius of the NFL…the league has been in a frenzy to hire offensive coaches from his tree. How many of them have been definitive success stories? Just being part of the staff of these guys doesn’t mean someone won’t suck.

3. Recent history. If you think the draft is a crapshoot, coach hiring is so much worse. At least there objective measures for players. The tier 1 coaching candidates in one season often can suddenly become complete cast-off’s within 2 years. Unlike players, coaches don’t decline over 2-5 year intervals. Ironically, this feels like the first year in a while that teams have been so willing to recycle failed coaches instead of just plucking younger guys from college or even QB coaches.

There is a clear tiered labeling system of candidates each year. What’s less clear is how reliable those tiers actually are. But the guys who have options know who they are…and it’s concerning that they clearly don’t have a high opinion of taking the helm at this offense.

Howie did this a few years ago, cast a wide net, interview a bunch of guys.

It's not just finding your guy (I'd think Howie does his due diligence) but getting outside perspectives on the organization, from personnel evaluations to play calling and scheme.

What other people think your strengths and weaknesses are and how they'd address them. Who fits the scheme they'd want to run.

If you interview for the job and haven't done your homework and don't have something interesting to contribute, it's probably a short interview.

34 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

So basically trade one moody head case for a complete unadulterated lunatic?

Cool, cool, cool.

Not great at picking up on nuances, huh

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/49ers-electrical-substation-theory-21307769.php

Apparently the 49ers are "looking into" whether or not a close by electrical substation could have been the reason they have had so many injuries recently

Clownshow

I saw that on facebook a week or 2 ago and figured it was some fake AI story.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I think there is too much panic over who the OC will be and the job they will do and not enough over the reflection this is of the offensive personnel.

There is so much vague and subjective dot connecting when it comes to coaching jobs:

1. Calling plays isn’t as black and white fans and media make it out to be. Coaches exhibit variable and unknowable input and influence on OC’s that are listed in press snippets and formally acknowledged as play-callers. And this is almost the most objective component of the whole damn evaluation.

2. Coaching tree/university. AR’s coaching tree, interestingly, has churned out successful defensive/CEO head coaches. Fascinatingly, all of the offensive coaches in the tree of one of the greatest offensive coaches in modern NFL history have FAILED to even be viable OC’s elsewhere. Sean Mcvay, the current offensive genius of the NFL…the league has been in a frenzy to hire offensive coaches from his tree. How many of them have been definitive success stories? Just being part of the staff of these guys doesn’t mean someone won’t suck.

3. Recent history. If you think the draft is a crapshoot, coach hiring is so much worse. At least there objective measures for players. The tier 1 coaching candidates in one season often can suddenly become complete cast-off’s within 2 years. Unlike players, coaches don’t decline over 2-5 year intervals. Ironically, this feels like the first year in a while that teams have been so willing to recycle failed coaches instead of just plucking younger guys from college or even QB coaches.

There is a clear tiered labeling system of candidates each year. What’s less clear is how reliable those tiers actually are. But the guys who have options know who they are…and it’s concerning that they clearly don’t have a high opinion of taking the helm at this offense.

Be careful about assuming a coach goes elsewhere because of Howie/Siri/personnel.

Most are married, so wives have a big say. Location.

Many may think they'd have a better shot at HC elsewhere (i..e. next in line if the HC falters).

And some may feel the personnel aren't a good fit, though I'd think they would have confidence that Howie can make needed changes, he's certainly the GM you want dealing for you.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Titans roster isn’t more stacked. Titans provide full, complete autonomy unless the GM or Owner get involved. They likely offer more job security too.

I think job security is the one. See, you know, reports like Sirianni was going to get fired in 2024, or at the end of 2023 don't help recruit candidates here. A lot of our fanbase says screw optics, but again, these people KNOW that coaches in Philadelphia don't get long leashes, and on top of that, the expectations are sky high. On top of that, you won't necessarily get a ton of money for working here. So picture it like this:

• True and full autonomy not possible, because Stoutland is the Head Coach of the O-Line.

• You will not get any real control of the offensive roster, because Howie obv.

• You have to want to be in Philadelphia.

• The way the city is, the hysterics about the Eagles, them being willing to go out of bounds and attack your livelihood.

• The media, the way the Philadelphia media is always trying to cause trouble.

• The way the fans are hyper impatient and will try to get you fired after a very small number of games with a .500 record.

• Your QB is chosen for you, even if you come in and he can't learn what you're teaching, you can't pivot.

• Offensive Line Health issues.

• WR drama where one wants to leave the building, and you're not even entirely sure why.

• So basically, your expectations are drastically higher, the pressure is much more fierce, your job is much less secure, and you don't even get paid all that much more to compensate for it?

So the real question is...what exactly do you get in exchange for all this difficulty?

• If you succeed, you'll likely be a head coach somewhere.

• Fangio and the defensive roster?

Well, that's great, but a lot of offensive guys that are young, probably would get head coaching looks anyway?

Frankly, if I'm an offensive coach, I just don't see a ton appealing about the job. It's not because of Nick, it's not a deal breaker if your boss has a suggestion or two. But you can't choose one of your position coach, you can't choose your QB, your job security is awful, the job comes with overwhelming pressure so you might not even get TIME to implement your scheme, and you're putting yourself in the crosshairs of a rabid and unappreciative fanbase. On top of that, you're going to a place where you have a regime with the best record in the NFL during that timespan, two Super Bowl appearances, one win, and the only thing that happens is the fans ask for someone to be benched, or fired. Last but not least, most of these guys haven't been to a Super Bowl before, much less won one, so joining a place where that's almost the only acceptable outcome isn't something I'd want to hang my job on.

I think the best chance was Daboll because you get a lot of this kind of nonsense with the Crimson Tide. Not all the same stuff, but a lot of the same pressure and unrealistic expectations. On top of that, he's from New York, so he's used to the media nonsense too. But once that was dropped....

Yeah. Many of the others aren't going to think this is a good deal unless you pay them top of the top dollar.