4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

this is interesting not in that Brian Johnson was good but in that the results have been going downhill outside of the 2024 running game since 2022.

We obviously need a new system

Their biggest problem with Brian Johnson was that they had no answer to when teams blitzed a it got worse as the season went on. They were just bad against the blitz. But really if you look after bye that year, their passing game was super inconsistent week to week. 

offense was less of the issue early in 2023 besides the blitz. The offense became an issue down the stretch while the defense completely collapsed. Issue is  the only consistency they’ve really found over that time was with the running game in 2024. 

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

I think the two Clemson OT's are players the Eagles would like for tackle. Uber athletic, very good measurables.

I'm not onboard for Proctor at tackle, but if they want to bring Proctor in for RG, now that would be very intriguing. But it might be a little rich to go that route with pick 23. There's some round two guys I'd be ok with at guard but they won't have Proctors mammoth size. It's like Becton but he doesn't have Becton athletic ability, but doesn't have his injury history either.

What about the Utah tackles?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Their biggest problem with Brian Johnson was that they had no answer to when teams blitzed a it got worse as the season went on. They were just bad against the blitz. But really if you look after bye that year, their passing game was super inconsistent week to week. 

offense was less of the issue early in 2023 besides the blitz. The offense became an issue down the stretch while the defense completely collapsed. Issue is  the only consistency they’ve really found over that time was with the running game in 2024. 

They need to blow up the current system. It’s stale and this year just lame.

I don't think it's likely that all 3 of these happen, but I was thinking earlier that there's a non zero chance that in this offseason they could dump Brown for less than a great pick, Lane could retire, and they could be shut out of the coordinator cycle and wind up with a bum.

I can't see any realistic way they could have a good offseason with their cap situation if that trifecta were to go the wrong way. Like that would start them out so far in the red, they'd need to do so much in the offseason to climb out of it, I don't think it's even possible.

I still have hope and optimism none of those things happen. But just saying, it's a non zero chance they all do. For a team that still plans on contending next year that would be an insanely difficult trifecta of blows that would be hard to overcome.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think it's likely that all 3 of these happen, but I was thinking earlier that there's a non zero chance that in this offseason they could dump Brown for less than a great pick, Lane could retire, and they could be shut out of the coordinator cycle and wind up with a bum.

I can't see any realistic way they could have a good offseason with their cap situation if that trifecta were to go the wrong way. Like that would start them out so far in the red, they'd need to do so much in the offseason to climb out of it, I don't think it's even possible.

I still have hope and optimism none of those things happen. But just saying, it's a non zero chance they all do. For a team that still plans on contending next year that would be an insanely difficult trifecta of blows that would be hard to overcome.

I think if they make a bad coordinator pick then it’s a bad offseason no matter what. I think ‘shut out’ is just a fan definition of a few guys. I never even liked Daboll that much tbh but he’s just more of a known. In any case they need to make a good choice which often has little to do with initial fan reaction anyway

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think it's likely that all 3 of these happen, but I was thinking earlier that there's a non zero chance that in this offseason they could dump Brown for less than a great pick, Lane could retire, and they could be shut out of the coordinator cycle and wind up with a bum.

I can't see any realistic way they could have a good offseason with their cap situation if that trifecta were to go the wrong way. Like that would start them out so far in the red, they'd need to do so much in the offseason to climb out of it, I don't think it's even possible.

I still have hope and optimism none of those things happen. But just saying, it's a non zero chance they all do. For a team that still plans on contending next year that would be an insanely difficult trifecta of blows that would be hard to overcome.

Howie has it covered.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of alluded to this earlier today, when you replace the guys on defense, you have a coach on that side of the ball and his staff that you trust can develop guys. That not only gonna develop guys they’re also gonna use them in ways that’s to the best of their ability and their talent. You trust Fangio and his staff to maximize the talent they are given.

My concern with the Eagles is how is that gonna work on the offensive end when you have to start rebuilding and revamping the offense. Aj Brown is going to be gone either this year or next. Goedert is likely gone. Lane is going to retire at some point. Then Barkley is going to be 30 after 2026. Steen is likely gone after 2026. Who knows that quarterback because I think that is still determined long-term how Jalen does this year and probably in 2027. But you’re gonna have to revamp and there’s probably gonna be guys that we think we’re gonna be here that might not actually be here with all that much longer. Now I trust Jeff Stoutland to do his job in developing guys and getting them to play to their peak potential. Cause he’s basically shown us that since he’s gotten here. Everywhere else I can’t say that.

The other thing that is concerning more than wins and losses is this passing game since about that 49ers game in 2023 has been consistently like pulling teeth. They’ll have flashes or a game of what they can be. But they’re never consistency in the passing game. week to week never know what the hell you are going to get. And this isn’t you have to play at your peak every week. That is not realistic. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, I think everyone would feel a lot better about the eagles offense going forward if the passing game made improvements from 2024 to 2025. Except it didn’t.

Imo it’s not about you have to win the Super Bowl every year. To me my biggest frustration is that this offense needs to have an all time historic run game to be competent and function over the last 2 years. I don’t think banking on having a historic run game every year or every other year is a sustainable plan to make up for a pass game that finishes bottom 10 in back to back years.

There is no earthly way hurts is getting another huge extension here, he's gotten worse every year since 2022 and now he refuses to run which is what everyone points to when talking about how great he is. He'll be gone after 2027 barring a miraculous transformation into a precision and timing based QB

I just got done listening to a TON of people talking about the Eagles OC candidates today (ESP, Solak, Kimes, EJ, Bo, etc) and I think the one thing that stands out the most to me is that pretty much everyone left for them to hire doesn't just have question marks, but major question marks. You listen to one person and they love Slowik, or Robinson, you listen to someone else and they think they are terrible and love a JBC or Nagy. The fact of the matter is, short of them somehow getting Joe Brady or Cliff KIngsbury this is likely going to be either a very underwhelming hire or an outside the box home run swing with major risk.

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Their biggest problem with Brian Johnson was that they had no answer to when teams blitzed a it got worse as the season went on. They were just bad against the blitz. But really if you look after bye that year, their passing game was super inconsistent week to week. 

offense was less of the issue early in 2023 besides the blitz. The offense became an issue down the stretch while the defense completely collapsed. Issue is  the only consistency they’ve really found over that time was with the running game in 2024. 

Sounds like first year growing pains...

Oh well. RIP.

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

Sounds like first year growing pains...

Oh well. RIP.

Sounds like the league also figured him out as the year went on (hence got worse, more inconsistent in the pass game and as a unit worse after the bye week) and he wasn’t able to make proper adjustments (against the blitz) as season went along. Also the league hasn’t hired him to be OC since (believe only interview was Texans in 2025). Commanders fired their OC and he got no real consideration for that OC job. Pretty telling that going on 2 seasons and going on a third removed from being the eagles OC he has yet to get another OC job… maybe he gets one at some point in time. But I think it’s the league telling you that they don’t think he’s ready for that yet. Which frankly, he might not have been ready for the responsibility he was given at that point in time. But oh well Rip

** add on he’s been named OC at Utah (went from OC to demotion to co-OC to QB coach), Houston, Florida and eagles. In none of those place did he serve a full second year as OC whether he left on his own accord or just not given the opportunity.

3 hours ago, devpool said:

There is no earthly way hurts is getting another huge extension here, he's gotten worse every year since 2022 and now he refuses to run which is what everyone points to when talking about how great he is. He'll be gone after 2027 barring a miraculous transformation into a precision and timing based QB

I wouldn’t say there’s no earthly way. The way he does if he plays closer to what he did in 2022. do I think that’s most likely outcome? Probably not. Then again didn’t really see the jump he made 2022 coming then he did it.  

Well guys I see next season as a win/win for some of you.

Either we get an oc that can give us a deep run into the playoff

We get an oc that can articulate the problems with the current offense and changes get made.

The new oc stinks and some get their wish with Sirianni and he gets fired.

Lol, not that I wanted Robinson but that is yet another guy no longer in the mix and the likelihood of a horrible hire like Nagy, Kafka, or Cooter increasing.

Robinson didn’t do well in Atlanta but was the hot item 2 years ago. Possible he turns it around.

Teams are picking guys now. So whoever the Eagles get will seemingly have been passed up by these many other teams fwiw

The best option for OC imo is Kingsbury. He’s had success with guys like Murray and Daniels (similar players to Hurts) and it seems like he’ll have the right personality to mesh with Siri and take a backseat when he needs to.

There’s no way I saw McDaniel or Daboll getting along with Siri

At this point Slowik would be my choice I guess of the guys linked so far

25 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Robinson didn’t do well in Atlanta but was the hot item 2 years ago. Possible he turns it around.

Teams are picking guys now. So whoever the Eagles get will seemingly have been passed up by these many other teams fwiw

So many times its because a coach has familiarity on that team he goes to with coaches, players or whatever. It cant necessarily be looked at as the better candidates get hired first in order of excellence.

7 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The best option for OC imo is Kingsbury. He’s had success with guys like Murray and Daniels (similar players to Hurts) and it seems like he’ll have the right personality to mesh with Siri and take a backseat when he needs to.

There’s no way I saw McDaniel or Daboll getting along with Siri

Kingsbury is air raid. Kellen Moore was air raid and Hurts couldnt throw in that scheme. Thats why they became a running team. Kingsbury isnt a good fit for Hurts skill.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Kingsbury is air raid. Kellen Moore was air raid and Hurts couldnt throw in that scheme. Thats why they became a running team. Kingsbury isnt a good fit for Hurts skill.

You validated my opinion when you said that Moore adjusted

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

So many times its because a coach has familiarity on that team he goes to with coaches, players or whatever. It cant necessarily be looked at as the better candidates get hired first in order of excellence.

Fair enough but I'm not loving the names left. Of course that usually doesn't mean much in the end either day

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Fair enough but I'm not loving the names left. Of course that usually doesn't mean much in the end either day

Same. Im not loving the names but we didnt get McDaniel because of reasons, and may miss out on Daboll. Thats about it. The rest have question marks. I like Slowik because he was just a hot name. Then Weiss. Like the up and comer instead of someone underwhelming.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Same. Im not loving the names but we didnt get McDaniel because of reasons, and may miss out on Daboll. Thats about it. The rest have question marks. I like Slowik because he was just a hot name. Then Weiss. Like the up and comer instead of someone underwhelming.

Same page. Slowik had a good year as a coordinator and the bad one looks more like a Stroud decline at this point. KC was getting rid of Nagy so that doesn't thrill me. Though I don't see Nagy as that different from Daboll like others do. I don't know that they actually ever interviewed Weiss

7 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

What about the Utah tackles?

Fano should be gone top 10 / top 15 but I've seen mocks where Lomu drops into the 20s. Lomu plays on the left side but PFF says he has 32 career starts at right tackle

8 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

What about the Utah tackles?

Sign me Up for Lomu

But i He goes earlier in a thin OT class