11 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

If Jared Verse can get to 19, then definitely a possibility that Mesidor just falls to us.

I think it's a defense heavy first round. Defenses, not offenses are this years Cinderellas. Defensive guys are getting the HC jobs, a lot of very good defenses this season, and the Eagles defense curb stomping the Chiefs in the SB have turned teams to bulking up their defense. And I think with the portal in the NCAA it is more difficult to find polished offensive players in the draft.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

The ‘passion’ is much more negative than positive and the reputation is terrible. And the fact that WIP still gets ratings shows that the negative reputation is earned

Even here, the first reaction is: it must be because of the QB that has had 2 MVP level performances in Super Bowls or the head coach that has seen 3 coordinators go on to HC jobs in the last 4 seasons. Obviously the problem must be Jalen and Nick.

It's not the fans.

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Funny that fans never suspect it could be because of "the fans." Eagles fans notoriously treat opponents with ire and their own team with "Fire (insert name)!" Not every person out there is mentally a good fit for a job in Philly. Some probably already know this.

No offense, there are bigger reasons why people wouldn’t want this job then fans. And I’ll give you a couple of them.

First, you don’t know if AJ Brown’s gonna be back. He’s a top 10 wide receiver. That is a massive loss regardless of what anybody wants to say. Dallas goedert might not be back. Lane Johnson might not be back. He’s a future hall of famer. it’s three main pieces to your offense that could be gone. And I haven’t even mentioned who knows if the offensive line is gonna get back to where they were in 2024. There’s a chance you ran those guys into the ground and they just aren’t the same players anymore as they have a lot of wear and tear on them. So who’s gonna be here and who’s not gonna be here it’s a very vital part of taking a job. There’s a lot of question marks with the personnel on this team.

Second, a lot of these offensive coordinators have to incorporate an offense and build it around. Jalen hurts a skill set. And this isn’t a slight to Jalen hurts. Mike McDaniel would have to change what he likes to do. His offense is based around anticipation and throwing over the middle of the field. That is not the strength of Jalen hurts. so you’re either going to hire a guy and let him run what he does and it doesn’t exactly fit the Qb’s strength.

Third there’s a chance you’re not even back here in 2027. And this has nothing to do with the fans, this has to do with your owner nearly fired the head coach in 2023 and was thinking about it at the bye week in 2024. They won a Super Bowl, but you can clearly see that the offense has been an issue for two years outside of a historic running game and you really can go to the bye week in 2023 that they have been inconsistent. So there’s a chance that you didn’t do anything wrong and you maximize the talent that you do have considering who could be lost and yet you still lose your job because they just clean house.

Fourth, you’re not getting total autonomy of your offense. Because you have to work with the coaches that the Eagles want you to. They’re not firing Jeff Stoutland. And I wouldn’t either. But for some coaches, they want to bring in their own guys that they trust. That they have built relationships with. That they have worked with. So when the Eagles say it’s total autonomy it’s really not. And I have a hard time believing anybody who gets hired when they look at the track record with the Eagles that these guys don’t have total autonomy. I said this before this feels like a narrative, the eagles try to get ahead of, and nobody’s buying their BS about it.

Then you can come with the fan base and the city. All four of those things are far more important to me if I’m an OC with HC aspirations than the fans. Imo I would put lifestyle and geographical location of where I get to work over the fan base. Think about this you got a giant winter storm coming and hitting the East Coast, out here in Arizona It’s gonna be 70° today. For some people that is a massive difference for them and their families.

I saw this and thought for a second we had hired him and this was their goodbye.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I saw this and thought for a second we had hired him and this was their goodbye.

I thought Sheil hit a great point with him and it’s kind of something I said, it is a really awkward look that Andy Reid kind of pushed you out the door just to bring back the guy you replaced originally.

Where. The Hell. Is the idea coming from that coordinators get hired and overhaul the coaching staff on their side of the ball? When does that ever happen?

HC always fills out HIS staff.

There is no such thing as the OC not having autonomy just because he isnt choosing his position coaches. Can we please stop with that narrative already?

13 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Even here, the first reaction is: it must be because of the QB that has had 2 MVP level performances in Super Bowls or the head coach that has seen 3 coordinators go on to HC jobs in the last 4 seasons. Obviously the problem must be Jalen and Nick.

There's not a radio station in Tampa doing days of shows on Mike McDaniel didn't want to come here because Baker Mayfield sucks

Beyond that even if Mike McDaniel announced that he wanted to work with Herbert over Hurts that still doesn't warrant the level of stupidity this fanbase exhibits.

It's funny they say no one likes us we don't care but it's so the opposite. If there's any sign that their behavior is an issue this fanbase points the finger everywhere else

The reality is Nick is who Nick is, Jalen is who Jalen is, the fans are who they are and you have to find an OC that is ok with all. It won't be for everyone just like every other search that has happened under the Lurie era. 1st choices won't be gotten and you move on

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No offense, there are bigger reasons why people wouldn’t want this job then fans. And I’ll give you a couple of them.

First, you don’t know if AJ Brown’s gonna be back. He’s a top 10 wide receiver. That is a massive loss regardless of what anybody wants to say. Dallas goedert might not be back. Lane Johnson might not be back. He’s a future hall of famer. it’s three main pieces to your offense that could be gone. And I haven’t even mentioned who knows if the offensive line is gonna get back to where they were in 2024. There’s a chance you ran those guys into the ground and they just aren’t the same players anymore as they have a lot of wear and tear on them. So who’s gonna be here and who’s not gonna be here it’s a very vital part of taking a job. There’s a lot of question marks with the personnel on this team.

Second, a lot of these offensive coordinators have to incorporate an offense and build it around. Jalen hurts a skillet. And this isn’t a slight to Jalen hurts. Mike McDaniel would have to change what he likes to do. His office is based around anticipation and throwing over the middle of the field. That is not the strength of Jalen hurts. So so you’re either going to hire a guy and let him run what he does and it doesn’t exactly fit the Qb’s strength.

Third there’s a chance you’re not even back here in 2027. And this has nothing to do with the fence this has to do with your owner nearly fired the head coach in 2023 and was thinking about it at the bike week in 2024. They won a Super Bowl, but you can clearly see that the offense has been an issue for two years outside of a historic running a period and you really can go to the bike week in 2023 that they have been super inconsistent. So there’s a chance that you didn’t do anything wrong and you maximize the talent that you do have considering who could be lost and yet you still lose your job because they just clean house.

Fourth, you’re not getting total autonomy of your offense. Because you have to work with the coaches that the Eagles want you to. They’re not firing Jeff Stoutland. And I wouldn’t either. But for some coaches, they want to bring in their own guys that they trust. That they have built relationships with. That they have worked with. So when the Eagles say it’s total autonomy it’s really not. And I have a hard time believing anybody who gets hired when they look at the track record with the Eagles that these guys don’t have total autonomy. I said this before this feels like a narrative, the eagles try to get ahead of, and nobody’s buying their BS about it.

Then you can come with the fan base and the city. All four of those things are far more important to me if I’m an OC then the fans being there. I would put lifestyle and geographical location of where I get to work over the fan base. Think about this you got a giant winter storm coming and hitting the East Coast, out here in Arizona. It’s gonna be 70° today. For some people that is a massive difference for people and their families.

I think the fourth thing is probably the biggest deal breaker. Is Nick going to let you do what you want to do, or is he going to stick his nose into you business and tell you what to do ?

2 minutes ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

I think the fourth thing is probably the biggest deal breaker. Is Nick going to let you do what you want to do, or is he going to stick his nose into you business and tell you what to do ?

I don’t think that’s entirely part of it with autonomy. If you’re hiring me and you want me to do my best and I want to get a future head coaching job, I wanna work with the guys I’m comfortable with. Guys that know my system. Guys that I know I can work with. Guys that I know can maximize what we wanna do. I don’t wanna have to work with moorehead who’s been here for a while now and imo hasn’t done all that great of a job. Clearly they’re not firing him. There’s guys in place besides Jeff Stoutland. I do think Nick is not just gonna completely give up his offense (analytics with Moore and plays/pace of play shows he had a hand in it as it’s the only outlier in his career). Again, I said this before this is kind of a narrative that eagles wanted to get out in front of and I don’t think the rest of the league is buying their BS that he, Howie or Lurie are just gonna be completely hands off. But autonomy to me isn’t just Nick. It’s the entire entirety of the situation.

I’ve also like to add I think lifestyle and geographical location matters a lot to these coaches. Imo might be top 3 to some of them

I would also add into this if we’re gonna talk about fan bases, San Francisco there were a lot of fans last year when they had it down year and people thought it was gonna be a rebuild that wanted to fire Kyle Shanahan. Guess what? Kyle Shanahan if he was available, could’ve had any job on the market this time. I live in Arizona I can tell you Arizona Wildcat basketball is massive out here. They are crazy about that team. There were many loud parts of the fan base who wanted to fire Tommy Lloyd last year halfway through last season because it looked like they weren’t gonna make the NCAA tournament and he hadn’t made a final four in 3 years of being a HC. They are currently the number 1 team in the country. Fans are going to be fans.

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I thought Sheil hit a great point with him and it’s kind of something I said, it is a really awkward look that Andy Reid kind of pushed you out the door just to bring back the guy you replaced originally.

I read a couple of things that:

1) Mahomes wanted EB back.

2) That Nagy is wants to leave to rehab his image and spread his wings, so to speak. That feels like his agent putting that out there and his buddy in Tennessee doing him a favor by interviewing him for the HC position.

Fowler mentioned what I've been saying on here in that Daboll to the Titans is not a done deal and it could still happen with the Eagles.

I do think he'll end up Bills HC though.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Fowler mentioned what I've been saying on here in that Daboll to the Titans is not a done deal and it could still happen with the Eagles.

I do think he'll end up Bills HC though.

I said before I think he’s getting the buffalo job. I think he put out there that he take the Titans job to do a solid for his good friend Robert Saleh. So it would look like this hot candidate wanted this job and others will say if he wants it i should want it or make more intrigued to it

Ive been very much on the Daboll bandwagon for a while. But the unknown is exciting to me. Im almost pulling for Declan Doyal even more at this point.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said before I think he’s getting the buffalo job. I think he put out there that he take the Titans job to do a solid for his good friend Robert Saleh. So it would look like this hot candidate wanted this job and others will say if he wants it i should want it or make more intrigued to it

Josh Allen is in the interviews and apparently loves Daboll so it's likely him. Yeah I'm not so sure of the TEN report. He interviewed with the Eagles never even set foot in TEN yet so that would definitely have to be a relationship think with Saleh. And even if it's ture it means it's a relationship thing with Saleh and not a grand indictment of the Eagles

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Josh Allen is in the interviews and apparently loves Daboll so it's likely him. Yeah I'm not so sure of the TEN report. He interviewed with the Eagles never even set foot in TEN yet so that would definitely have to be a relationship think with Saleh. And even if it's ture it means it's a relationship thing with Saleh and not a grand indictment of the Eagles

Imo makes too much sense for him not to get that job. He’s from Ontario Canada. From things I’ve read it’s his dream job to be the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. And he gets to coach Josh Allen. Josh Allen absolutely loves him. And they had a lot of success together. I think it also makes sense for Buffalo because he’s used to that area and he loves it. Buffalo is not the place for everybody. Like I don’t think Mike McDaniel would love being a head coach in Buffalo. Besides the fact he has Josh Allen.

Like you said that thing feels like he was doing a solid for his guy Robert Saleh cause he thinks he’s getting the buffalo job. If he doesn’t that the Titans might already have an OC in place so he doesn’t have to live up to what was put out there

12 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I feel that the Bills have struggled to run the ball for years. Mostly with bad RBs until Cook had a huge year this year.

Also that the passing game was best with a target monster in Diggs.

I dont see the run game being a strength of Brady's, and I dont see the pass game as a particular good one at scheming guys open.

Allen developed to some extent but is still exceptionally turnover prone.

Im wondering how Brady is a near consensus top tier name around here.

Brady took over the offense in 2023 and moved to a run-centric offense incorporating Allen in the running game more effectively. The passing game is much more about getting the ball to multiple players. They were 6th in YAC in 25 and 7th in 24. I think he's been competent with a great QB and limited skill players. He would be a step up from Nagy and other candidates.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Assuming he doesn't get a HC offer, he should be our top target.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Brady took over the offense in 2023 and moved to a run-centric offense incorporating Allen in the running game more effectively. The passing game is much more about getting the ball to multiple players. They were 6th in YAC in 25 and 7th in 24. I think he's been competent with a great QB and limited skill players. He would be a step up from Nagy and other candidates.

They now have an excellent RB, and no WRs. So, yeah he adapted to the personnel. Still, is it a great scheme? I dont think so. And its still saved a lot by a QB who can play hero ball which ours is no longer willing to do. I dont see the fit nor the appeal.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ive been very much on the Daboll bandwagon for a while. But the unknown is exciting to me. Im almost pulling for Declan Doyal even more at this point.

I thought Berman made a really good point, your 2025 offensive roster didn’t really need somebody who was super creative to uplift the offense. Definitely would’ve helped. Because of the talent they had they just needed somebody who was competent that could keep things on track and utilize the talent. In 2026 you might not have the same talent you might be worse off in terms of talent, so you might need somebody more creativity that can uplift the talent you have with scheming. So you might want to take the chance on somebody who’s got a high ceiling but a lower floor. Rather than go with somebody like nagy, who might be competent with a higher floor but lower ceiling.

55 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I saw this and thought for a second we had hired him and this was their goodbye.

Please no. I compared him to Daboll yesterday but overnight I'm further down on him because of the KC firing which is what it was.

This guy looks like an eagles CB. Man match system fit. Excellent awareness and timing to peel off his man and make the play on another coming in to his area. Bunch of these plays look like DeJean's super bowl pick 6 in that regard.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

They now have an excellent RB, and no WRs. So, yeah he adapted to the personnel. Still, is it a great scheme? I dont think so. And its still saved a lot by a QB who can play hero ball which ours is no longer willing to do. I dont see the fit nor the appeal.

There is no magic scheme that fixes things. My hope is that Brady can convince Hurts and Sirianni that the QB needs to run mor. Someone that can adopt to the personnel and create winning matchups is what we need. If he is unable to succeed, then there is a question about whether the team has the right talent.