4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well that's what I mean with 2022 and 2024, when, ostensibly, we had those better OC's. Which year are we trying to recapture? I just don't think a better OC is going to be able to do it. But those were two very different offenses.

I’ve said this before, they might be better off taking one step back in 2026. That might ultimately help them in 2027 and going forward taking a bigger step(s) forward. It sounds bad because everybody wants to win a Super Bowl. And I’m guessing they believe this roster as constructed currently is good enough to do if you take a step back from the situation and just look at it from afar, it might behoove them to just consider a step back in 2026 which might lead to two or three bigger steps forward in 2027.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with you. However, I don’t see the Eagles keeping somebody around that doesn’t want to be here. We can say oh he’s never come out and say it. Most players aren’t gonna just come out publicly and say it. I think it’s pretty obvious who leaked the story that he asked for multiple trades this year. And I think it’s pretty obvious who was telling Diana Russini that he was unhappy and didn’t want to be there anymore. I don’t think changing the OC is necessarily going to fix everything that ails him or making him unhappy.

Also I kind of viewed it this way that they probably if they know they’re trading him, they are drafting and developing a wr relatively high in this draft. You’re probably gonna sign a veteran that’s not making a lot of money in for agency. I also kind of think they’re probably going to ask for some player back in that trade. Like if I’m dealing with New England, I’m asking for boutte coming back in that trade.

I just don't see Howie taking pennies on the dollar after June 1 for him. Unless AJ makes it a real distraction, I think he's here. You're not getting more than a 2nd for him.

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I heard yesterday that a post-June 1st trade can be designated, which would be big if true as it would allow the FO to handle FA and the draft with the knowledge that they need to fill that hole in the roster (and maybe with some additional resources).

Who said that? I know vikas has said it can’t be done

Just now, vikas83 said:

I just don't see Howie taking pennies on the dollar after June 1 for him. Unless AJ makes it a real distraction, I think he's here. You're not getting more than a 2nd for him.

If it’s a post June 1st then i think it’s probably a conditional 2nd based on either his performance or teams’ success.

Imo I think that distractions already started. Because that report that came out, definitely didn’t come from the Eagles. It most likely came from him and his agent trying to push the envelope to get him out of here.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Who said that? I know vikas has said it can’t be done

https://overthecap.com/explaining-the-post-june-1-designation#google_vignette

The final thing is that there is no such thing as a post June 1 trade designation. The Packers can not trade Aaron Rodgers in March and declare it a post June 1 trade to break up the salary cap charges across the 2023 and 2024 league years. If Green Bay needed to split the cost (Rodgers costs more on the cap to trade than keep) they would have to find a team willing to delay processing any trade for Rodgers until June 2nd. If they trade him before that date there is no other option but to take all of the dead money in 2023.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Who said that? I know vikas has said it can’t be done

One of the beat reporters (McMullen?), said it was a recent change... sounds like misinformation based on Vikas' feedback.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I just don't see Howie taking pennies on the dollar after June 1 for him. Unless AJ makes it a real distraction, I think he's here. You're not getting more than a 2nd for him.

You're going to get even less if you try next year though

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The exceptional OCs are still employed for a reason.

The ones available either

a. have some flaw or perceived flaw with something to prove.

or

b. have a lack of experience as OC or at least with play calling.

Slowik was a big name very recently and now has something to prove. If you are ruling him out based on having something to prove, youre basically ruling out almost the entire list. You are down to Declan Doyle or Weiss Jr as your choices.

Sure you could say that every year. But look at the guys we’ve had success hiring. Steichen and Reich, both were previous OCs with good #s passing, their run game was the question. They get with Stout/this OL and all of a sudden they look great.

Kellen Moore had high performing offenses in Dallas. A weird Dallas exit and Staley getting fired opened the door for us to sign Moore. He morphs his offense while keeping some core principles, leans into the run more than he ever had, and he had success after some early season hiccups.

All those guys by the way, had success as position coaches.

My point is, all of those guys had success and paths to even better success here given our talent and resources. The guys with super vague credentials (Slowik, Scheelhause, Grizzard, etc.), what can anyone point to and say they’ve done? One good year out of the #2 pick before a nosedive? Matthew Stafford playing well with Puka and Davante Adams?

Now Joe Brady, Brian Daboll, etc.? You can make the case - the closest matches to what we’ve had success with. Davis Webb and even Declan Doyle? You can make the case. Charlie Weis Jr? Sure.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You're going to get even less if you try next year though

This whole thing would be much easier if the Eagles were not thinking Super Bowl or bust and could do a reset like they did in 2021. Cause then you probably give goedert a small extension to make the trade be a pre June 1.

Then you got this crap going on… no way I’m dealing VJ especially not for a guy who likely opts out after next year and you are left with nothing. I’d do picks, PG and McClain but highly doubt that’s getting anything done for giannis

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

People always seem to dislike Flores.

He makes friends everywhere he goes.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

BTW I think having Josh Allen in all the head coach interviews is another horrendous idea by Pegula. That organization is about to go back down the spiral

I don't think having him in the interviews is a terrible idea in the sense that they have to appease him. The problem will be either when they hire a candidate he isn't as sold on or when they through Allen under the bus when the new coach doesn't work out.

Also with AJ Brown, I disagree trading him leaves some massive hole. Obviously it's a downgrade, but you don't and shouldn't need two $30M WR's to make a passing game work. Let the passing game run through Smith. Draft and develop and 2nd/3rd round guy. Sign a competent free agent or trade for someone before TC.

If you need two top WR's and the passing game is still average at best, you have other major problems.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also with AJ Brown, I disagree trading him leaves some massive hole. Obviously it's a downgrade, but you don't and shouldn't need two $30M WR's to make a passing game work. Let the passing game run through Smith. Draft and develop and 2nd/3rd round guy. Sign a competent free agent or trade for someone before TC.

If you need two top WR's and the passing game is still average at best, you have other major problems.

It eats 27 million in space next year that could go to other people

It puts all the focus on Smith with nobody else behind him

There is no guarantee Howie nails a WR in round 1 let alone round 2 with his history. Plus that precludes them from getting an OT, CB, TE, or an OG with that pick, which they really need.

I do not for the life of me understand the rush to get rid of Brown and create another hole with all the holes they already need to address, waste cap space, and get nothing of real value back in return to help them next year.

Do you know who's hyper focused on this? Eagles fans and the media creating click bait.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

The Titans are interviewing Arthur Smith for OC.

Good. Do not want

Easier said than done, let's just be real, this team has sucked at drafting WRs. They just don't evaluate the position well. You may not need two 30m guys to have a good passing attack, but teams are trending toward going for multiple top level guys. Dallas went after Pickens after having Lamb, Steelers have been searching for another top WR to compliment Metcalf, Bengals have two top WRs, Commies wanted one to compliment McLaurin(tried with Deebo), Vikings drafted Addison to pair with Jefferson, Jags traded for Meyers to compliment Hunter and BTJ, Bucs drafted Egbuka to compliment Evans, Rams got Adams to compliment Nacua,etc. So this is the trend now. Doesn't mean they can get them, but that's the ideal. I don't think Devonta is a true #1. I think he benefits from the coverage Brown draws. There is a reason this team's record without Brown is awful. This offense has looked terrible with him out.

I could see if Shanahan ran this offense with his QB of choice, he could scheme a way for the offense to function without him, but I think this offense wouldn't. Tbh, I think this team without him suffers such a massive hole, I'd move Dallas ahead of them instantly as the favorites for this division for a variety of reasons. I think most likely scenario is they'd end up drafting someone in rounds 2-4, that player will probably be nothing special, they'd be wasting a pick on a position they could have used elsewhere, and the offense suffers dramatically.

Dallas posted the Christian Parker official Announcement but I refuse to put that in here :)

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You're going to get even less if you try next year though

So will AJ

Its in both sides best interest that he play well next yr

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also with AJ Brown, I disagree trading him leaves some massive hole. Obviously it's a downgrade, but you don't and shouldn't need two $30M WR's to make a passing game work. Let the passing game run through Smith. Draft and develop and 2nd/3rd round guy. Sign a competent free agent or trade for someone before TC.

If you need two top WR's and the passing game is still average at best, you have other major problems.

As much as I hate trading AJ Brown, I think he has more value than DK metcalf . I think he’s a better player than DK Metcalf. And some of the teams that you could be trading him to they have guys you can get back along with the draft pick that will help you solve other needs on the team. Couple of ideas with trams that could be interested:

Buffalo: 2026 or 2027 2nd and Kincaid (i really don’t think Kincaid is untouchable for them. He needs a new contract and he’s not been the most durable)

New England: 2nd and boutte

Raiders: 2nd and Meyers (maybe they like Tre Tucker… i don’t think raiders would say no to either of those guys)

Steelers: 2nd and Joey Porter jr (new regime, had a down type of year still want a rookie contract for one more season. This could be a young player they think could be their second corner.)

Other teams as well. Heck reports with cardinals are unhappy with MHJ. Might be able to swing a brown for MHJ type of deal.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion you'd get less for AJ in 2027. I mean you could. But what if a new OC comes in here, unlocks something in this group, and AJ puts up 1,300 yards and 8 TDs? Teams would be beating down the door for him. I think there is actually potential for him to raise his value where I don't think it would decline very much unless he suffers a noticeable drop off physically.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

It eats 27 million in space next year that could go to other people

It puts all the focus on Smith with nobody else behind him

There is no guarantee Howie nails a WR in round 1 let alone round 2 with his history. Plus that precludes them from getting an OT, CB, TE, or an OG with that pick, which they really need.

I do not for the life of me understand the rush to get rid of Brown and create another hole with all the holes they already need to address, waste cap space, and get nothing of real value back in return to help them next year.

Do you know who's hyper focused on this? Eagles fans and the media creating click bait.

Do we trust Howie with the cap or not?

Like I said, have Smith be the WR1 and fill behind him. Draft is one avenue. There are other's like FA and trades.

No one is rushing to get rid of him and no one even knows that the value back is. If you aren't getting a 4th at best, obviously you aren't trading him.

Media driven clickbait is nonsense. It's beyond obvious Brown is frustrated and has been for some time.

It took us what 18 years to get another player even close to TO? Half the board will be dead by 2044 (respectfully…).

32 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve said this before, they might be better off taking one step back in 2026. That might ultimately help them in 2027 and going forward taking a bigger step(s) forward. It sounds bad because everybody wants to win a Super Bowl. And I’m guessing they believe this roster as constructed currently is good enough to do if you take a step back from the situation and just look at it from afar, it might behoove them to just consider a step back in 2026 which might lead to two or three bigger steps forward in 2027.

I agree with this completely, but no one in sports waves the white flag when they are as close as this team is. Even as forward thinking and brash as Howie is...and the fact that if anyone would do it, it would be him...he's just not going to do it. I would argue they are close and irreversibly getting further, not close with the opportunity to get closer...but still...I can't see them strategically taking a step back in 2026. I think they will suffer an unintentional step back regardless in 2026, but that's different.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also with AJ Brown, I disagree trading him leaves some massive hole. Obviously it's a downgrade, but you don't and shouldn't need two $30M WR's to make a passing game work. Let the passing game run through Smith. Draft and develop and 2nd/3rd round guy. Sign a competent free agent or trade for someone before TC.

If you need two top WR's and the passing game is still average at best, you have other major problems.

Well yea but no one likes to talk about that. They wanted to blame it all on the OC and after we did that no OC's want to come here.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

It took us what 18 years to get another players even close to TO? Half the board will be dead by 2044 (respectfully…).

I think there’s a difference between wanting to trade him and seeing the inevitability of that trade coming. I don’t see the eagles keeping a player here hostage. I think they did it last year because it was gonna be way too complicated to get a deal done in season particularly cap wise and playing for a repeat. If he is going to leak to the media and tell people he’s unhappy and asked for trades which it is coming from his camp. This isn’t just all this smoke coming from nowhere.

at some point in time the Eagles are going to say you know what we don’t wanna trade him as he’s uber talented but it’s probably for the best for both of us. That said he’s gone after 2026. He has $4 million left in guaranteed money after 2026. Unless the Eagles are gonna give him a massive extension at 30 years old it’s very likely he’s gone in 2027. Now financially it’s much easier to get rid of him in 2027. However, if he’s gonna be unhappy, not as focused on the field because he’s unhappy and causing more drama in the background, then I could see them saying you know what we’re just gonna get out of here early and get some compensation for it.