Look, I'm no Hurts fan but he played probably one of his best games ever in the Super Bowl. Barkley was not playing well, Hurts was the offense. The defense absolutely played well but Hurts took over the offense for that game.

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Meh. I’ve said a few times Hurts is not for everyone but at no point insinuated that he was special like caviar.

I just think people are being overly dramatic about McDaniel who is making decisions based on whatever his criteria are. Most guys will only get one offer and I don't think they are running away from consideration of the eagles job. The very few guys with multiple options will weigh things like money, Hurts, Sirriani, location, maybe fan environment and they'll make their decision. The Eagles won't be the #1 choice for everyone and it's always been that way.

Josh Allen since 2020 of all QBs in the playoffs is #1 in success rate, #2 in EPA per play, #3 in completion rate. The Bills have allowed 33, 32, 27, 27, 42, 38 points in those playoff games.

He's actually been pretty amazing in the playoffs and his game this season was an outlier down game for him.

Poacher

3 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Something is off with this guy

The reason i dislike hurts at QB is that he very clearly CAN perform at a high level because he's done it in the Super Bowl. The problem is that he rarely does. Sure he's elevated on the biggest stage but you have to get there first. In the non super bowl years we've gotten destroyed in the wild card round twice and then couldn't move the ball against a 3rd string defense this year, and in every gear since 2022 he's been mediocre to average during the regular season. Last year we rode the run game all year and he turned it on in the super bowl.

His value came in his running, which reportedly he doesn't want to do anymore so what are we paying for? A QB with an average arm who can't (or won't?) run anymore. And honestly even if he wanted to run he's slow as hell now, getting chased down by DEs and DTs constantly.

I can't imagine him getting another huge contract here if he continues to play like he has in the regular season. You basically have to get slug through the regular season and hope he turns it on in the playoffs. He's gonna need a miraculous transformation into a an above average passer (consistently!) for another extension to be worth it

14 minutes ago, greend said:

Look, I'm no Hurts fan but he played probably one of his best games ever in the Super Bowl. Barkley was not playing well, Hurts was the offense. The defense absolutely played well but Hurts took over the offense for that game.

How dare you be rational and levelheaded. Better watch your back talkin like that

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Josh Allen since 2020 of all QBs in the playoffs is #1 in success rate, #2 in EPA per play, #3 in completion rate. The Bills have allowed 33, 32, 27, 27, 42, 38 points in those playoff games.

He's actually been pretty amazing in the playoffs and his game this season was an outlier down game for him.

He does have untimely turnovers, but the fact of the matter is he always scores enough to win even with them and the defenses have always sucked. He's able to overcome his turnovers, if our offense turns the ball over we're dead in the water.

56 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I see Jalen as an above average borderline elite NFL quarterback. I don't see him as a demigod. How about you?

2022: Good QB, height of his physical powers and married to a RPO system that he was both familiar with but also effective in the league.

2023: Above average, as the RPO scheme became less effective due to defensive familiarity and penalized more often for illegal man downfield.

2024: Average, RPO is pretty much dead but he still was a factor in the run game albeit less of a threat, nice deep ball accuracy to contribute a couple plays a game while Saquon did the heavy lifting.

2025: Average at best, not a factor as a runner and declining accuracy.

2026?: a 2025 effort shouldn’t be too hard to replicate because he really didn’t do much to elevate the offense. Can he become part of the solution?

Just now, devpool said:

he always scores enough to win even with them

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

2024: Average, RPO is pretty much dead

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

He does have untimely turnovers, but the fact of the matter is he always scores enough to win even with them and the defenses have always sucked. He's able to overcome his turnovers, if our offense turns the ball over we're dead in the water.

Now use this same exact thought process for Hurts' first superbowl appearance. But yet people still don't see the double standard

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Giants beat writer who's from Philly called into WIP to talk Eagles OC search and the name he was intrigued by is Bobby Slowik. He said talking to people he knows around the NFL, everyone universally considers him a truly elite passing game coordinator. He's elite at scheming people open. Thinks he could come in here and totally revamp the passing game, the only issue is given he comes from the Shanahan tree, there's questions about Hurts fitting in that kind of offense. But if you want a guy to revamp your passing game, said he's your guy.

He said covering Daboll he thinks he'd be a terrible fit with the Eagles. He said he's been told that Hurts and Daboll didn't get along at Alabama and he's always getting into conflicts with coaches.

Slowik has been growing on me in recent days if Joe Brady is out.

Slowik was the guy I really liked if they were actually going to fire sirianni after the collapse. They were not going to do it at that point in time, but he was an up-and-coming coach. He did a really good job with CJ Stroud and that offense considering their OL wasn’t very good that year either. I think he kind of got a raw deal with the Texans because he got into a verbal spat with CJ Stroud and the offense wasn’t as good his sophomore year. But I think as time has gone on it it’s looking more like CJ Stroud is a bigger problem with the Texans issues than he was. Added bonus he’s from NJ

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah i think lifestyle and location matters to him.

I agree, but oh boy...Las Vegas? I really believe the Raiders are one good investigation away from a major scandal with being located there. I really believe the NFL was under-the-table persuaded to set up shop there and it is absolutely a horrible idea.

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

I agree, but oh boy...Las Vegas? I really believe the Raiders are one good investigation away from a major scandal with being located there. I really believe the NFL was under-the-table persuaded to set up shop there and it is absolutely a horrible idea.

Don’t disagree I think that’s one of the worst spots he could go to. That ownership isn’t very good. And there’s a lot lifestyle interests that if you’re not super focused at the task at hand, you’re gonna fall through the cracks and fail. When you watched him in Miami, he started off very articulate and coming off well. By the time he left, he was like a different person and Rambling incoherently in pressers

1 hour ago, justwinbaby said:

Yeah like that top oline he had this year and an offensive scheme that a high-school defense would blanket. It's amazing the excuses all the other qbs get if they can throw a football over a mountain. Good thing Allen won that SB. Err wait..

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

But yet he can't win when it counts, so this idea that QB play can overcome an incomplete roster is just so ludicrous. And against Denver in the Bills most important game of the season your QB crush had 4 turnovers personally costing them the game. Very rare for a SB winning QB to have a bad roster around them. Only the very best in the history of the game have done it, and not often. Only one current QB in the NFL that had that ability was Mahomes, all other starting QBs in the league need a talented, well rounded roster to win. When they don't have it they don't win. Allen, playoff loser; Burrow, career loser, Stafford all those years in Detroit was a career loser, Jackson playoff loser. Can't believe you all still believe good QBs can overcome weak rosters and they don't need a solid, well constructed team to win, even with the repeated evidence provided year after year after year.

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

I love these Josh Allen fondlers. Act like he's never had any weapons in the past. Had Diggs in his prime for a few years and Gabriel Davis as a deep threat. It's always one excuse after another with him. But here's the bottom line is when it comes to big games he comes up small and starts playing hero ball. Can't just toss out all of the mistakes he makes and overlook them because of the highlight reel plays. For this year he had an elite running game, top 5 offensive line and TE group. And Shakir is solid. It's not nothing.

For the record, this year Hurts had a hesitant RB, a damaged goods offensive line and a one trick pony TE & a 2nd TE who's horrific as a blocker. And a disinterested slowed down AJ Brown. And the worst offensive coordinator in football by far.

I will try to address all of this at once. Josh Allen has to do more per game than Hurts in the playoffs.

Passing attempts per game. Allen 35.6, Hurts 29.1

Rushing attempts per game. Allen 9, Hurts 8.3.

As we know, if you do something more, the stats tend to regress towards the mean. While attempting more passes and rushing the ball more than Hurts, Allen has more TD's per game passing and rushing, a higher completion percentage, and a higher QB rating. They got sacked at the same rate.

In Hurts playoff losses, they average 19.5 PPG. A bunch of you were screaming how could the Eagles let the 49ers score 23 points and tried to shift the blame from Hurts and the offense. Well, Josh Allen averages 24.5 PPG in Bills losses, and if his opponent had scored 23 points, 5 of his 7 playoff losses would have been wins. In the 4 playoff losses to the Chiefs, Allen averaged 28.25 PPG, and only had 1 turnover across 158 pass attempts ( 39.5 per game ) and 41 rushing attempts ( 10.25 per game ). Allen's Bills, 47.12 3rd down conversions and 31:54 TOP. Hurts Eagles, 36.84% 3rd down conversions and 30:57 TOP. So Allen did more than Hurts in losses, converted more 3rd downs, possessed the ball longer to keep his defense off the field, and still lost games that he scored 36, 30, 29, 24 and 24 points. Meanwhile, Hurts does less in losses, while handling the ball less, and not converting 3rd downs to possess the ball to keep the defense off the field.

It is a 100% demonstrable fact, that Josh Allen has done more with less, and has done more than enough to win 4 or 5 more playoff games, but his defense gave up 30+ points multiple times while he scored 30+ and won the TOP battle, giving his defense no excuse.

14 minutes ago, devpool said:

He does have untimely turnovers, but the fact of the matter is he always scores enough to win even with them and the defenses have always sucked. He's able to overcome his turnovers, if our offense turns the ball over we're dead in the water.

12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

See my post above.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Slowik was the guy I really liked if they were actually going to fire sirianni after the collapse. They were not going to do it at that point in time, but he was an up-and-coming coach. He did a really good job with CJ Stroud and that offense considering their OL wasn’t very good that year either. I think he kind of got a raw deal with the Texans because he got into a verbal spat with CJ Stroud and the offense wasn’t as good his sophomore year. But I think as time has gone on it it’s looking more like CJ Stroud is a bigger problem with the Texans issues than he was. Added bonus he’s from NJ

From talking to a couple Texans fans, it seems he was a really good play designer there, but a bad play caller. Meaning the plays themselves are well designed, creative, and scheme guys open, but Texans fans say his play calling was incredibly predictable. It was run, run, pass every drive. And defenses knew it was coming, so they geared up on the run on early downs and forced them into 3rd and longs.

That's not to say he couldn't have learned and grown from his experience. But the actual calling of plays was apparently his weakness.,

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

From talking to a couple Texans fans, it seems he was a really good play designer there, but a bad play caller. Meaning the plays themselves are well designed, creative, and scheme guys open, but Texans fans say his play calling was incredibly predictable. It was run, run, pass every drive. And defenses knew it was coming, so they geared up on the run on early downs and forced them into 3rd and longs.

That's not to say he couldn't have learned and grown from his experience. But the actual calling of plays was apparently his weakness.,

The predictability does not sound great. Cause that sounds like what we had before. I wonder if that’s because of what they saw in 2024 and not so much in 2023. I think in 2024 CJ Stroud just wasn’t very good at all. I remember watching him and he was making rookie mistakes. And just looked like he didn’t develop over the offseason. Add on their offensive line pass blocking wasn’t all that great. There’s only so much time you can do to hide that and call.

I’m hoping going to work with McDaniel. He picked up a thing or two with playcalling. I also think he was fine in 2023. Some of this might be more attributed to the players/roster he was given.

2 hours ago, Lambo said:

No, because he doesn’t. He might be reckless, but he can do all the things that a QB needs to do. And he doesn’t them without the perfect scenario around him that Hurts requires.

lol...after multiple years of failures in big games, a rational person would think that Allen would learn lessons and yet another big game and he is carelessly holding the ball in traffic and throwing balls up for grabs...no athletic ability in the world makes up for just blind stupidity..he is what he is..football eye candy. Give me someone who understands being "in the moment" with smart real-time decision making...Allen out of nowhere starts getting ahead of himself and then disaster strikes...no thank you

11 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Now use this same exact thought process for Hurts' first superbowl appearance. But yet people still don't see the double standard

There are always going to be people who discount everything he's done. He played great in 2 super bowls, it's the majority of rest of the time that's the problem.

Before someone brings up this straw man I don't expect a million super bowls or to even make deep runs every year, but given the amount of money spent on offense I expect them to look competitive. The only games the offense looked competitive this season were the raiders and commanders wins. Patullo obviously a huge part of that, but hurts regressed including reverting back to his tendency to abandon clean pockets

14 minutes ago, Lambo said:

See my post above.

So not always.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

From talking to a couple Texans fans, it seems he was a really good play designer there, but a bad play caller. Meaning the plays themselves are well designed, creative, and scheme guys open, but Texans fans say his play calling was incredibly predictable. It was run, run, pass every drive. And defenses knew it was coming, so they geared up on the run on early downs and forced them into 3rd and longs.

That's not to say he couldn't have learned and grown from his experience. But the actual calling of plays was apparently his weakness.,

Play design is huge, play calling can be learned but I think if you can't be creative in your play design you'll never be great. You can only call crappy plays so well, at least with good design you'll hit on some here and there. And yea ideally he would have learned some playcalling and sequencing tactics from McDaniel. I'd be perfectly fine with slowik, not my top choice but I think he would be a good hire.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The predictability does not sound great. Cause that sounds like what we had before. I wonder if that’s because of what they saw in 2024 and not so much in 2023. I think in 2024 CJ Stroud just wasn’t very good at all. I remember watching him and he was making rookie mistakes. And just looked like he didn’t develop over the offseason. Add on their offensive line pass blocking wasn’t all that great. There’s only so much time you can do to hide that and call.

I’m hoping going to work with McDaniel. He picked up a thing or two with playcalling. I also think he was fine in 2023. Some of this might be more attributed to the players/roster he was given.

Their running game was not good under Slowik. I think a lot of that was their offensive line, but I wonder if predictability factored into that too. I love the idea of a creative schemer and play designer. We need that desperately. But I'd hope the OC was also a very good play caller and sequencer of plays. If Joe Brady and the others are definitely out, I'm not sure who I'd prefer between Slowik/Weis Jr/Doyle