Do we get the news of Fangio retiring snd Lurie selling the team tomorrow or does that come early next week?

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

same. I have said all year those packers WRs suck. Only one I like is Reed.

Golden can play

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

after defending Patullo and Sirianni and blaming the players all season, watch how fast he blames Mannion next season the second something goes wrong on offense. He’s been pushing the "Patullo should’ve been retained” takes since the season ended and then he was saying the Eagles should go the Cooter or Nagy route so he’s gonna act like a baby and have an agenda against Mannion because the Eagles didn’t go the way he wanted them to go.

When are you going to learn to not take anything he says seriously. He got EXACTLY what he wanted out of you and probably a bunch of others: attention and a reaction.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

With Nicks influence

He has ZERO experience playing or coaching in a Sirianni offense. In fact he is coming from a place that is pretty much the opposite of a Sirianni offense. Expecting them to hire a 33 year old with no play calling experience to run an offense he knows very little about isn't something Howie and Lurie are dumb enough to do. Common sense isn't so common with you is it?

36 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That's not true. They made a bet on an unknown. Not optimal in this situation but Kellen Moore walked right into an OC job from playing and was good at it. Sean Mannion could be very good at it or not. Most of the guys with experience as play callers weren't all that good at it so pick your poison

Maybe. Kellen Moore was one of the most successful college football QBs of all time statistically speaking (winningest QB, 2nd most passing TDs all time). Mannion was just a guy.

Just an extremely underwhelming hire given who was available in this cycle.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

have you seen him play? he sucks.

And he essentially sucks badly enough that the Eagles think Mannion is still a coach worthy of a promotion despite Love spending 2/3 of his time as an NFL QB under Mannion's tutelage. Howie and Lurie wouldn't have hired Mannion unless they thought Love was unreachably bad themselves.

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Golden can play

His speed is an issue, like Watson's. I dont trust him yet. Maybe they just didnt utilize him enough... Whole WR corps is mistake prone. And then theres poor Reed who is incredible and just cant stay healthy.

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I’m embracing the unknown and upside because why not be positive. Obviously I’d have preferred a proven stud coordinator if that was an option

He isn't JBC, Nagy, Grizzard, etc

He is only 33 years old

He is a long time NFL backup QB which often makes for a really good OC and/or head coach

He coached under Lafleur, played under McVay and Stefanski

He isn't JBC, Nagy, Grizzard, etc

There is a lot to like about this hire

Berman indicated that after missing out on McDaniel and Daboll their top choice after interviewing candidates seemed to be Doyle before he pulled out and the Eagles liked him a lot. So Eagles appear to have either gotten their 4th or 5th choice, because he said the Eagles liked Weis Jr a ton too.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

He isn't JBC, Nagy, Grizzard, etc

He is only 33 years old

He is a long time NFL backup QB which often makes for a really good OC and/or head coach

He coached under Lafleur, played under McVay and Stefanski

He isn't JBC, Nagy, Grizzard, etc

There is a lot to like about this hire

Mannion might be a swing and miss or a home run. But the biggest, most universally echoed collective freak out complaint with Patullo was inexperience. And they managed to bring in an OC with far less experience than Patullo.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

And he essentially sucks badly enough that the Eagles think Mannion is still a coach worthy of a promotion despite Love spending 2/3 of his time as an NFL QB under Mannion's tutelage.

I question the eagles ability to evaluate the QB position considering who we have starting, and trading for Pickett when we already had McKee. And hiring Love's QB coach. Though, Love has developed from what he began as. So, theres that. And theres also the small sample of Malik Willis.

I already said Im not impressed by the GB scheme. But it can be effective if we start focusing on speed in the WR corps. What would be better would be if he brings more of the McVay style of offense with him rather than the GB stuff.

Then again, maybe the GB offense looks a lot better if it had our personnel.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman indicated that after missing out on McDaniel and Daboll their top choice after interviewing candidates seemed to be Doyle before he pulled out and the Eagles liked him a lot. So Eagles appear to have either gotten their 4th or 5th choice, because he said the Eagles liked Weis Jr a ton too.

And, for me to beat a dead horse here, 4th or 5th choice is fine. This is such a crap shoot that Mannion could just as easily end up being the best out of all of them. They opted for young and fresh ideas over experienced and dull since they couldn't get both creativity and experience. That's probably not a bad decision.

It's just that they had to go down to their 4th or 5th choice that demonstrates that NFL offensive coaches think this offense and its personnel are in decline and they don't want to be part of it.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Mannion might be a swing and miss or a home run. But the biggest, most universally echoed collective freak out complaint with Patullo was inexperience. And they managed to bring in an OC with far less experience than Patullo.

That's debatable. There was also major concern that Patullo was just Nick's boy and things would trend more towards "his offense" and that he would have far more involvement than when Moore was here. This all proved to be correct. Mannion's lack of play calling experiences is for sure a concern but I appreciate the home run swing over someone like Nagy or JBC whose upside would have likely been a moderate upgrade over Patullo/Nick.

Let's play a matching game:

Scenarios for 2026:

A. Offense is great, Eagles win SB.

B. Offense is great, Eagles lose somewhere in playoffs.

C. Offense is not that good, but better than 2025, Eagles lose early in playoffs.

D. Offense is identical to 2025, Eagles lose early in playoffs.

E. Team implodes, offense bad, Eagles miss playoffs.

Reactions to those scenarios:

1. Keep Siri as HC, allow Mannion to walk if HC job presents itself.

2. Fire Siri, promote Mannion to HC.

3. Fire everyone.

Match a number with each letter.

The new OC is thin in coaching experience. As a QB and ins and outs re the position, he should have a lot to offer. A bite unsure how he would handle the play calling and in-game adjustments. Wonder if they would bring in someone more experience to help him.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

And, for me to beat a dead horse here, 4th or 5th choice is fine. This is such a crap shoot that Mannion could just as easily end up being the best out of all of them. They opted for young and fresh ideas over experienced and dull since they couldn't get both creativity and experience. That's probably not a bad decision.

It's just that they had to go down to their 4th or 5th choice that demonstrates that NFL offensive coaches think this offense and its personnel are in decline and they don't want to be part of it.

2 of our top guys were established names. One wanted warm weather. One got a job with his good friend.

2 other choices were young up and comers, just like Mannion. They removed their names. Who knows why. Did Weis know he might get an opportunity to go coach Dart again in NY? Did they already know they werent getting the job? I believe it was reported that we didnt actually make any offers, as of like a day or 2 ago.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Mannion might be a swing and miss or a home run. But the biggest, most universally echoed collective freak out complaint with Patullo was inexperience. And they managed to bring in an OC with far less experience than Patullo.

I think that got overindexed. The problem with Patullo was he wasn’t good at calling plays. If someone hired him tomorrow as OC he wouldn’t be inexperienced but it would still be a bad hire. Thats what I felt about Grizzard. He was proven a bad play caller. Is that better than no experience?

But obviously getting a proven stud would be great but that seemed to not be on the table. FWIW I saw some Miami games last year and there were creative plays but the play calling wasn’t great and Daboll wasn’t great with Giants.

They are all bets. I’m glad Sirriani didn’t play it safe

Yeah the biggest knock on Patullo was not inexperience. It was that he came from the Sirianni tree and people didn't want more of the Sirianni offense. I mean people would have been elated with Scheelhaase or Udinski and they're no more experienced than Patullo is.

The scheme and game planning was just as big of an issue as play calling.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I think that got overindexed. The problem with Patullo was he wasn’t good at calling plays. If someone hired him tomorrow as OC he wouldn’t be inexperienced but it would still be a bad hire. Thats what I felt about Grizzard. He was proven a bad play caller. Is that better than no experience?

But obviously getting a proven stud would be great but that seemed to not be on the table. FWIW I saw some Miami games last year and there were creative plays but the play calling wasn’t great and Daboll wasn’t great with Giants.

They are all bets. I’m glad Sirriani didn’t play it safe

I think that argument was overplayed too. I still think personnel is a huge component in all of this that is under-weighted.

I like the hire. I don't like what it says about the Eagles OC job, paradoxically, but I like what the Eagles are pursuing with the hire. They'd rather get good people in than essentially safe administrators.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

2 of our top guys were established names. One wanted warm weather. One got a job with his good friend.

2 other choices were young up and comers, just like Mannion. They removed their names. Who knows why. Did Weis know he might get an opportunity to go coach Dart again in NY? Did they already know they werent getting the job? I believe it was reported that we didnt actually make any offers, as of like a day or 2 ago.

I think Doyle was smart to remove his name. He’s already OC in Chicago and it doesn’t help his career to move. He’ll learn from Ben Johnson and probably get a HC gig in 2 years straight from there. Calling plays in Philly could accelerate his rise only slightly and the downside is high

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Yeah the biggest knock on Patullo was not inexperience. It was that he came from the Sirianni tree and people didn't want more of the Sirianni offense. I mean people would have been elated with Scheelhaase or Udinski and they're no more experienced than Patullo is.

The scheme and game planning was just as big of an issue as play calling.

I might agree with you that inexperience wasn't the biggest problem, but I think it was the biggest collective knock. It was all we heard all year from fans and media alike.

Hopefully this hire means a commitment to get younger and better at the TE position. I would LOVE to see them draft a couple of TE's in April.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I might agree with you that inexperience wasn't the biggest problem, but I think it was the biggest collective knock. It was all we heard all year from fans and media alike.

Who cares. Patullo didn't fail because of a lack of experience, he failed because he was a moron with ZERO feel for the game. It was clear after a few games that he was never going to be a good play caller and it only got worse as the season went on. Mannion may or may not succeed but hiring someone like Josh Grizzard with bad play calling experience just because he has experience would have been stupid.

4 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I still can't understand the visceral hate for a head coach that won the SB less than a year ago?

Because he yells on the sidelines sometimes and trash talks with fans sometimes as well.

Yet Buddy Ryan acted like a D-bag sometimes, ran away from Jimmy Johnson, punched an assistant coach in the head during a game and never won sh!t yet he's loved by alot of this fanbase.