1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

I like Nakobe a lot but man is he overrated by some people. He can't stay healthy at all and isn't exactly good in coverage. The Georgia guys seem to really look up to him as the leader of their group so he will be missed in that regard. However, I saw enough from Campbell in year one to be confident that he will be an upgrade to Nakobe. You also don't draft a LB in the first round and then turn around and pay decent money to a vet guy and block him. I hope Nakobe goes onto have a great and long career but it's not going to be here and it shouldn't be.

Agree to disagree. I think Nakobe Dean has a bigger impact on the defense than Jihaad Campbell. Campbell WITH Dean makes this defense that much better.

Again, this isn't about 2026. It's about post-2026 when Baun is gone. The Eagles have a trash record with finding LB talent. Not letting him out the door.

This place is filled with drama queens. Bad stuff will happen on occasion and Howie/Lurie will react. We passed up Jefferson for Reagor. Wentz was a record dead cap hit. Generally they've made good moves to get the team back in top contention. Sometimes it doesn't work out. And they have to try again. Take a gummy and relax

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Any assistants out there you have your eye on for Eagles positions for offensive staff? I thought Frank Smith and Jerrod Johnson could be but they appear to be out. Of the guys they interviewed twice, Cooter doesn't appear to be a target unless the Colts let him out of his contract because it wouldn't be a promotion.

Didn't they interview Johnson last year too? I think they want him on this staff eventually. He was here in camp as a rookie and I think they really like something about him.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

This place is filled with drama queens. Bad stuff will happen on occasion and Howie/Lurie will react. We passed up Jefferson for Reagor. Wentz was a record dead cap hit. Generally they've made good moves to get the team back in top contention. Sometimes it doesn't work out. And they have to try again. Take a gummy and relax

Some fans care less and some fans care more

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Some fans care less and some fans care more

Being dramatic doesn't mean one cares more, it means they can tolerate less of what they can't control.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Being dramatic doesn't mean one cares more, it means they can tolerate less of what they can't control.

Bit subjective isn't it?

19 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

This place is filled with drama queens. Bad stuff will happen on occasion and Howie/Lurie will react. We passed up Jefferson for Reagor. Wentz was a record dead cap hit. Generally they've made good moves to get the team back in top contention. Sometimes it doesn't work out. And they have to try again. Take a gummy and relax

Sucking up the PR hit and cap hit for trading Wentz was one of the best decisions in the history of the franchise.

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

WR3 is Darius Cooper.

17 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I think analyzing the East-West shrine game is a bit of a waste of time if you're trying to get insight on Mannion. The way you coach and scheme in that game vs. the NFL is pretty different. But it is good to see people saying positive things.

Amen. Limited to 11, 12, 21 and 13, personnel on offense plus defensive coverages limited and no blitzing.

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Agree to disagree. I think Nakobe Dean has a bigger impact on the defense than Jihaad Campbell. Campbell WITH Dean makes this defense that much better.

Again, this isn't about 2026. It's about post-2026 when Baun is gone. The Eagles have a trash record with finding LB talent. Not letting him out the door.

I don't think Campbell is going to go down as a fantastic pick. Good for a typical very late first round pick? Sure, probably. He's going to be a fine starting off-ball LB here. But a 3rd round pick coming off injury (in the last year of his deal) was a bigger, better boost for the defense than Campbell.

Now that we have that first round investment and are strapped against the cap, they have to let Dean walk and turn it over to Campbell. And Campbell will be fine. But he won't have as many of those splash plays in the backfield.

Is that an awesome result from a 1st round pick? No. Could be worse, could be better.

41 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Maybe the name we should be looking at is Clint Hurtt. He was the HC for the National team (still think it's so dumb they changed from North/South). He interviewed for the Dolphins DC position. He has DC experience. Just a thought.

Even if you hire hurtt the odds are he isn’t going to be as good as Schwartz. Schwartz has actually done a very good job with Cleveland. And I trust him if we have injuries or we can’t retain the talent that he can get more from less. He’s shown this in the past. Not against hurtt but I’d prefer Schwartz over hurtt

That said hurtt might be the top candidate next off-season. I kind of think this might be fangio’s last year

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Bit subjective isn't it?

Completely objective. It's subjective to think one cares more than another based upon reactions to the same uncontrollable circumstances.

Here's the thing that scares me with the new offense next year...2022 is ancient history by NFL standards. In the same time frame, Wentz took the NFL by storm in 2017, teams adjusted, and he was accepted as irreparably damaged goods by 2020.

After 2022, every time the Eagles have attempted to evolve and grow the passing game, Jalen Hurts has responded by throwing tons of INTs, making terrible reads...and the offensive coaches plus Hurts responded to that by retracting the offense into a hyper-conservative JV scheme. It happened in 2023 and 2024. It started out that way in 2025 and we saw them make that mid-season push which culminated in the Chargers game...then JV the rest of the year.

They are about to do the same thing to start the season in 2026. I see no evidence outside of one isolated season 4 years ago that Hurts isn't going to be a disaster when they throw a new scheme, new routes, more motion, and more passing at him for 2026. And then 3-4 games into the season, the new coaches will have to decide between benching Hurts or going back to the same offense we saw from 2023-2025. They'll most likely do the latter; and then by the end of the 2026 season the rhetoric will have everyone so spun around that we are still left debating if the problem was Siri exerting too much influence over the new coaches, if the new coaches suck, or if it's a Hurts problem.

You can say that's a negative, nihilistic viewpoint. But I do not see any evidence from recent years to suggest that Hurts will be able to tolerate this change without becoming a turnover machine.

30 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Agree to disagree. I think Nakobe Dean has a bigger impact on the defense than Jihaad Campbell. Campbell WITH Dean makes this defense that much better.

Again, this isn't about 2026. It's about post-2026 when Baun is gone. The Eagles have a trash record with finding LB talent. Not letting him out the door.

Baun is likely here thru 2027 based on his contract. Granted could trade him after 2026 but it’s $9.6 mil dead cap hit and $2.10 mil cap savings. I made the argument you could sign Dean and then look to trade baun at the end of 2026 and get some value for him before he becomes a FA at 31 going on 32. But I really don’t think it’s very likely. I think it’s like a 1% chance that happens.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

What's going to make it worse is when Parker starts to bring in former Eagles players to run his defense. If I see Nakobe Dean with the green dot in Dallas next year, that's going to be one tough pill to swallow.

That's what I'm thinking too. They're going to have many reasons that they will slide back into the pack. Howie needed to be way ahead of this and he was not. If we lose Dallas, AJ and Lane retires. Wow, there's no hope for this team for next year. This isn't even a great free agency period and the draft looks to be solid but nothing extraordinary. Really not feeling good about our situation at all.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's the thing that scares me with the new offense next year...2022 is ancient history by NFL standards. In the same time frame, Wentz took the NFL by storm in 2017, teams adjusted, and he was accepted as irreparably damaged goods by 2020.

After 2022, every time the Eagles have attempted to evolve and grow the passing game, Jalen Hurts has responded by throwing tons of INTs, making terrible reads...and the offensive coaches plus Hurts responded to that by retracting the offense into a hyper-conservative JV scheme. It happened in 2023 and 2024. It started out that way in 2025 and we saw them make that mid-season push which culminated in the Chargers game...then JV the rest of the year.

They are about to do the same thing to start the season in 2026. I see no evidence outside of one isolated season 4 years ago that Hurts isn't going to be a disaster when they throw a new scheme, new routes, more motion, and more passing at him for 2026. And then 3-4 games into the season, the new coaches will have to decide between benching Hurts or going back to the same offense we saw from 2023-2025. They'll most likely do the latter; and then by the end of the 2026 season the rhetoric will have everyone so spun around that we are still left debating if the problem was Siri exerting too much influence over the new coaches, if the new coaches suck, or if it's a Hurts problem.

You can say that's a negative, nihilistic viewpoint. But I do not see any evidence from recent years to suggest that Hurts will be able to tolerate this change without becoming a turnover machine.

For me, I love the unknown and it's not a he can or can't scenario for me with Hurts. He could be good at it. suck at it, be decent, be great. It's a wide open wait and see. The spectrum of possible outcomes is compelling to me. Also looking forward to see if our Oline can adapt to a new blocking scheme. Very curious about that. I do think our receivers will have no problem with the change and can't wait to see Brown getting the ball with space to run again like he did his first two seasons.

Vic should retire because it would hilariously cap off one of the worst Philly sports runs in years. We asked how it could get worse and the universe has responded.

Honestly starting 10 days after the SB win (patullo's hiring) there hasn't been a lot to be happy about with this team. The flyers at least were looking up at the beginning of the season, now floundering. Phillies had another disappointing season and have done nothing to improve the roster. I dont watch basketball but it seems the sixers are a mess also.

Vic isn't an a-hole. If he was going to retire, he would've done it by now to not screw the team. He will retire next year though if there was so much consideration this year. Glad we wasted this past season with Patullo, thanks nick and Howie!

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think Campbell is going to go down as a fantastic pick. Good for a typical very late first round pick? Sure, probably. He's going to be a fine starting off-ball LB here. But a 3rd round pick coming off injury (in the last year of his deal) was a bigger, better boost for the defense than Campbell.

Now that we have that first round investment and are strapped against the cap, they have to let Dean walk and turn it over to Campbell. And Campbell will be fine. But he won't have as many of those splash plays in the backfield.

Is that an awesome result from a 1st round pick? No. Could be worse, could be better.

One was a rookie, the other was a vet in his 4th season. That's "kind of" a significant factor. Do you remember how bad Nakobe played as a rookie? Campbell looked way better as a rookie than he did.

I'm gonna let another team give Dean the big contract and take the comp pick. Still have Trotter in the pipeline. Gotta pay too many other people here. If he comes at a 1 year deal for around $8M I'd think about it. The guy has not proven to be healthy for a full season yet. Campbell sitting on the bench for another year is a waste of resources here. Way too many other places to fill on the roster here to get caught here.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's the thing that scares me with the new offense next year...2022 is ancient history by NFL standards. In the same time frame, Wentz took the NFL by storm in 2017, teams adjusted, and he was accepted as irreparably damaged goods by 2020.

After 2022, every time the Eagles have attempted to evolve and grow the passing game, Jalen Hurts has responded by throwing tons of INTs, making terrible reads...and the offensive coaches plus Hurts responded to that by retracting the offense into a hyper-conservative JV scheme. It happened in 2023 and 2024. It started out that way in 2025 and we saw them make that mid-season push which culminated in the Chargers game...then JV the rest of the year.

They are about to do the same thing to start the season in 2026. I see no evidence outside of one isolated season 4 years ago that Hurts isn't going to be a disaster when they throw a new scheme, new routes, more motion, and more passing at him for 2026. And then 3-4 games into the season, the new coaches will have to decide between benching Hurts or going back to the same offense we saw from 2023-2025. They'll most likely do the latter; and then by the end of the 2026 season the rhetoric will have everyone so spun around that we are still left debating if the problem was Siri exerting too much influence over the new coaches, if the new coaches suck, or if it's a Hurts problem.

You can say that's a negative, nihilistic viewpoint. But I do not see any evidence from recent years to suggest that Hurts will be able to tolerate this change without becoming a turnover machine.

The most annoying part is we're STILL going to have to hear "oh hurts has never had the same coordinator 2 years in a row". I'm so tired of hearing that argument when he plays like crap.

Just now, jojodancer said:

I'm gonna let another team give Dean the big contract and take the comp pick. Still have Trotter in the pipeline. Gotta pay too many other people here. If he comes at a 1 year for around $8M I'd think about it. The guy has not proven to be healthy for a full season yet. Campbell sitting on the bench for another year is a waste of resources here. Way too many other places to fill on the roster here to get caught here.

I love Dean and think he has improved his coverage, but I agree with this. Would be happy if we resign him but with Campbell going into year two we can't sign Dean at the expense of not signing others. If we didn't have Campbell I'd feel differently.

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Baun is likely here thru 2027 based on his contract. Granted could trade him after 2026 but it’s $9.6 mil dead cap hit and $2.10 mil cap savings. I made the argument you could sign Dean and then look to trade baun at the end of 2026 and get some value for him before he becomes a FA at 31 going on 32. But I really don’t think it’s very likely. I think it’s like a 1% chance that happens.

There are FAR too many things that need to be addressed to be allocating cap dollars to Nakobe Dean, especially when you consider his extensive injury history and the fact that they just invested a first round pick in a LB who showed flashes as a rookie before Dean came back and took back his starting spot.

They are going to need to pay Carter, Davis, Quinyon, and Dejean over the next couple of years. They might not be able to afford to bring back Philips but he and the edge position should be a higher priority than Dean and LB based on what they have. The offense is likely going to need to be revamped. RG was a weakness this season whether some people want to admit it or not. OL depth needs to be majorly addressed. They will likely need a new starting WR to replace AJ AND a 3rd WR. The TE position needs completely revamped.

You can only fill so many of these spots through the draft. Bringing back Nakobe makes ZERO sense in the bigger picture and even little sense on the surface.

Just now, Freshmilk said:

I love Dean and think he has improved his coverage, but I agree with this. Would be happy if we resign him but with Campbell going into year two we can't sign Dean at the expense of not signing others. If we didn't have Campbell I'd feel differently.

Yep, and it's common sense. I get someone saying "I'd like to be able to bring back Nakobe" but saying we should is a completely different thing and we absolutely shouldn't for several reasons.

6 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I'm gonna let another team give Dean the big contract and take the comp pick. Still have Trotter in the pipeline. Gotta pay too many other people here. If he comes at a 1 year for around $8M I'd think about it. The guy has not proven to be healthy for a full season yet. Campbell sitting on the bench for another year is a waste of resources here. Way too many other places to fill on the roster here to get caught here.

So glad to see multiple people coming to the table with a common sense approach on this subject. Also in addition to Trotter we have Mondon who looked really good in the pre-season. Baun, Campbell, Trotter, and Mondon is more than enough for the LB position to be legit above average. Hell, the team didn't skip a beat during the playoff/SB run with Oren Burks next to Baun who is basically an average veteran JAG.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I suppose at this point beggars can’t be choosers. Schwartz is a damn good DC, and overwhelmingly likely to be better than a Fangio knockoff.

Clint Hurtt is a long time Fangio disciple and has DC experience. I suspect he may be the Fangio in waiting guy.

16 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

There are FAR too many things that need to be addressed to be allocating cap dollars to Nakobe Dean, especially when you consider his extensive injury history and the fact that they just invested a first round pick in a LB who showed flashes as a rookie before Dean came back and took back his starting spot.

They are going to need to pay Carter, Davis, Quinyon, and Dejean over the next couple of years. They might not be able to afford to bring back Philips but he and the edge position should be a higher priority than Dean and LB based on what they have. The offense is likely going to need to be revamped. RG was a weakness this season whether some people want to admit it or not. OL depth needs to be majorly addressed. They will likely need a new starting WR to replace AJ AND a 3rd WR. The TE position needs completely revamped.

You can only fill so many of these spots through the draft. Bringing back Nakobe makes ZERO sense in the bigger picture and even little sense on the surface.

It’s kind of why I said I put it at 1% chance of it happening. I’m not gonna put it at zero because you never know what happens. I’m guessing most of us thought it was close to 99% chance fangio was coming back up until a week ago. The 1% percent would be if he gets to the FA market and his value isn’t what he expected. You get him at a price that wasn’t expected which then the rest of my scenario comes into play.

However, I don’t see that happening at all. I think some team is still going to overpay him in free agency and he’s gone. Imo baun isn’t going to be here after 2027 either. Frankly, short term, people are looking at Campbell as the replacement for Dean. But I think long-term the eagles thought by the end of Baun’s contract that Campbell was/is going to be their next baun. And they can go and try to find their dean over that time.